Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:09:03 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #347 - 14 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Belt Whips (B Katz) 2. Re: Belts as Weapons (Buz Grover) 3. Yaw Yan? (H R) 4. Re: Yaw Yan? (Ray Terry) 5. Re: re :Subject: [Eskrima] FMA in Flagstaff, AZ????/ Hello From Flagstaff (Mike Hippard) 6. Re: re :Subject: [Eskrima] FMA in Flagstaff, AZ????/ Hello From Flagstaff (Mike Casto) 7. Re: reality training, police , airsoft simunitions etc. (Ray Terry) 8. trimming (Ray Terry) 9. Interesting comment... (Jye nigma) 10. Jye nigma's interesting comment (jay de leon) 11. RE: Airsoft (Kevin Davis) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 05:26:19 -0700 (PDT) From: B Katz To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Belt Whips Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net My father showed me how to use a Marine Corps-issue web belt as an improvised weapon when I was just a wee lad. He told me sea stories about brawls that came to quick and bloody ends with several Marines standing back to back swinging their trouser belts. The technique is just as described in the movie scene, belt tip wrapped around the fist, buckle end swinging free. Pop and his buddies took it a step further though. The leading edges of thier belt buckles were polished to an edge. Clearly, this shows intent and would probably fry your heiney in court, but damn! did it tear up the watermelon he used as a traget. Oddly, enough, I always drag out my old web belt when I need to go to the airport! Be safe! Brandon _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:40:36 -0400 From: Buz Grover To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Belts as Weapons Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net WoodyTX writes: > I can't remember the book (fiction), but I do remember that someone > pulled their belt off and wrapped it around their hand, leaving the > buckle dangling from about 6" of belt. It protected his hand from > knives, and the heavy buckle KO'd the bad guys. This was also a tactic used by servicemen in brawls, particularly when outnumbered. They'd wrap their cloth belts around their hand, leaving the brass buckle and a foot or less of belt exposed. A lot of WW II literature mentions the technique. Regards, Buz Grover --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:27:19 -0700 (PDT) From: H R To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Yaw Yan? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey there. New member right here. Has anyone ever heard of a FMA called "Yaw-Yan"? I'm trying to find more info on it, as well as where there might be a credible instructor. HR --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Yaw Yan? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:24:51 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Hey there. New member right here. Has anyone ever heard of a FMA called "Yaw-Yan"? I'm trying to find more info on it, as well as where there might be a credible instructor. > See the Yaw-Yan entry in the FMA FAQ. It is linked to from http://martialartsresource.com and many other fine sites around the nation. :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:44:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Hippard Subject: Re: re :Subject: [Eskrima] FMA in Flagstaff, AZ????/ Hello From Flagstaff To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey Mike, Check out Joel Barkemyer 5th Dan Kajukenbo. He teaches Presas Kombaton , check Asian Fighting and Healing Arts, Pekiti Tirsia from Tom Bisios and Vince Blacks family, Mike Hippard 928853-4932 Mike Casto wrote: I don't know anyone who teaches in Flagstaff but I'll be there in a few weeks. My wife and I are coming in to hike the Grand Canyon. We won't have a lot of time, but we'll have a little bit on 10/11 and 10/14 or 10/15 (I forget our exact itenerary). If you'd be interested, we might be able to hook up and work out some. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karol Krauser" To: Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 7:44 AM Subject: re :Subject: [Eskrima] FMA in Flagstaff, AZ???? > Walter... > There is an excellent teacher down in Sedona about > thirty miles south. Chris Petrelli teaches a wide > variety of Kali / Silat Techniques... > Ungoy > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Juice Plus + WholeFood Based Nutrition Raised anti-oxidant levels inthe bloodstream Strenthenedimmune system Reduced damage to DNAand improved circulation Nutritional essence of 17 raw fruits, vegetables and grains Michael W. Hippard MST Helath and Internal Martial Arts Educator 2501 N 4th St. Ste. 11 Flagstaff, Az 86001 928-773-9748 --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: Re: re :Subject: [Eskrima] FMA in Flagstaff, AZ????/ Hello From Flagstaff Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:53:38 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Cool. Like I won't have a lot of time but if I have any, I'll look one of them up. Thanks. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hippard" To: Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 3:44 PM Subject: Re: re :Subject: [Eskrima] FMA in Flagstaff, AZ????/ Hello From Flagstaff > Hey Mike, > > Check out Joel Barkemyer 5th Dan Kajukenbo. He teaches Presas Kombaton , check Asian Fighting and Healing Arts, Pekiti Tirsia from Tom Bisios and Vince Blacks family, > > > Mike Hippard > 928853-4932 > Mike Casto wrote: > I don't know anyone who teaches in Flagstaff but I'll be there in a few > weeks. > > My wife and I are coming in to hike the Grand Canyon. We won't have a lot of > time, but we'll have a little bit on 10/11 and 10/14 or 10/15 (I forget our > exact itenerary). If you'd be interested, we might be able to hook up and > work out some. > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karol Krauser" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 7:44 AM > Subject: re :Subject: [Eskrima] FMA in Flagstaff, AZ???? > > > > Walter... > > There is an excellent teacher down in Sedona about > > thirty miles south. Chris Petrelli teaches a wide > > variety of Kali / Silat Techniques... > > Ungoy > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > _______________________________________________ > > Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members > > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > > Standard disclaimers apply > > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > > > > > Juice Plus + > WholeFood Based Nutrition > Raised anti-oxidant levels inthe bloodstream > Strenthenedimmune system > Reduced damage to DNAand improved circulation > Nutritional essence of 17 raw fruits, vegetables and grains > > Michael W. Hippard MST > Helath and Internal Martial Arts Educator > 2501 N 4th St. Ste. 11 > Flagstaff, Az 86001 > 928-773-9748 > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] reality training, police , airsoft simunitions etc. To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 13:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > I apologize for the overly long post, but over the years I have often seen > martial arts people train at a very low intensity with firearms and expect to > be ready for combat. This is no different than doing a few rounds of point > sparring as preperation for fighting a really angry Mike Tyson. Mark, Excellent post and excellent advice... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 13:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] trimming Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Folks... please remember to trim your posts. No need to completely re-quote quoted portions of a long message. Thanks. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:05:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Interesting comment... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I agree that learning angles helps with defending against kicks(and everything else), but disagree about the quality of FMA kicks. Mui Thai fighters kick above the waist, below the waist, wherever we want to. We also prove that high kicks are combat effective, everytime we knock an opponent out by planting our shin right behind their ear. My feeling about FMA, and Mui Thai, and everything else, is that an art that focuses on a specific technique will become VERY good at that technique. Ditto the individual practicioner. For example, you can't beat Capoeira for headbuts. Or boxing for hand strikes(though modification for the street is a good idea, because boxing has the distinction of creating hand strikes so powerful that broken hands are a very real danger). On the individual level, we all have our favorite techniques, that we're really good at. But since FMA emphasizes weapons, not kicks, FMA practicioners should not boast about their kicking skills to practicioners who can do things with their legs that blow away all the myths about "kicks being inneffective." Which is not to diminish FMA. I'm a BIG believer in weapons training, and at least FMA doesn't let it's students get away with holding to the Hollywood myth that a single master with his barehands can defeat hordes of armed enemies... --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:55:01 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Jye nigma's interesting comment Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Jye nigma wrote: But since FMA emphasizes weapons, not kicks, FMA practicioners should not boast about their kicking skills to practicioners who can do things with their legs that blow away all the myths about "kicks being inneffective." I am not disagreeing with anything, but who boasted to whom now? I'm sorry, but I seem to have missed some background information (or exciting incident) somewhere. Jay de Leon --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Kevin Davis" To: Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 22:25:52 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Airsoft Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net IMHO, I don't think that the issue is whether Airsoft will ever replace Simunitions. I don't think it will or should. However, having used marking cartridges since their development with Code Eagle (and even using cotton ball rounds in the old days) we must admit their limitations: 1) Expense - they average 50 cents each with the conversion kits over $175.00 and the Glocks requiring a dedicated system that costs as much as a real pistol. 2) Injury potential - If you only do it once you may suffer an "owie" that lasts for several weeks but as a role player repeated hits can and do cause injury that is not conducive to encouraging volunteers. 3) Damage to structures - Simunitions can mark up a room or building and it is not as easy as washing them up. That said Sim and paintball have their place. Airsoft allows a tremendous amount of realistic practice for little expense. If you want to safely "pressure test" your pistol techniques you can do it without the injury or clean-up that Sims involve. You can get thousands of reps against realistic targets (force on force) that is normally not possible any other way. The weakness with Airsoft is the "toy" nature of a lot of the pistols and the lack of warranty with the equipment. KD --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest