Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 03:01:54 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #351 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Yaw-Yan and Eskrima training question (jessmani@yahoo.com) 2. RE: The Metaphysical elements in the FMA (marko.ronkainen@nokia.com) 3. jye nigma's interesting comments re FMA kicks (ken spartan) 4. GM Bobby Taboada in Gilbert, AZ (Bakbakan@aol.com) 5. Nate Defensor (Kes41355@aol.com) 6. Muay Thai (Beungood8@aol.com) 7. Headbutts (julian.gilmour@barclays.co.uk) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:56:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "jessmani@yahoo.com" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Yaw-Yan and Eskrima training question Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Has anyone ever seen this art? I am curious as to how the current practitioners have fared in NHB (as stated on the somewhat occasionally updated website) and if I can find practitioners in the Hawaii area. I would like to train in Muay Thai again but would much rather try out Yaw Yan and stay close to my ethnic roots if possible. My understanding is that it is equally physically strenuous as Muay Thai. Also, I want to have my young son grow up with the Arts so I need to re-start my own Eskrima training so that he and I can both pursue it. Is it safe to travel to Manila and train? I was thinking of the PT group with GM Gaje's organization every year but I am open to other ideas. Comments? Suggestions? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --__--__-- Message: 2 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] The Metaphysical elements in the FMA Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:20:09 +0300 From: To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thanks, I already have that, it does touch the subject more than any other book I have but I think it still only scratches the surface. If you have a chance, check out BBC's documentary series Mind, Body & Kick-ass Moves hosted by Chris Crudelli (real name apparently Christian Demwell) -- does anyone know anything about his background btw? -- it has some great Pekiti Tirsia Kali footage (among other FMAs), for example a blacksmith manufacturing poisoned blades and a shaman performing a ritual to invoke spirits to protect a man. It also discusses anting-anting and oracions. Does anyone know some oracions, by the way (that they can share)? - Marko > -----Original Message----- > From: ext Jared Dame [mailto:jdame@brandes-assoc.com] > Sent: 23 September, 2004 17:36 > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: RE: [Eskrima] The Metaphysical elements in the FMA > > > The best book I have read so far with that information and > history was "The > Filipino Martial Culture" by Mark Wiley. Its about 15$ on > Amazon but an > excellent read. > > ciao, > > Jared > > -----Original Message----- > From: marko.ronkainen@nokia.com [mailto:marko.ronkainen@nokia.com] > Sent: Thu 9/23/2004 6:48 AM > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] The Metaphysical elements in the FMA > > Lately I've been curious about the existing metaphysical elements > in the Filipino martial arts. Having a long history the Philippines > naturally has a lot of traditional elements, lots of which are > influence by different migrating and invading peoples and cultures. > Lots of people have their anting-antings, many use oracions, but > what other elements are there? Rituals, symbols, beliefs? > Does anyone know a good reference to this side of the FMA (or > actually, > of the Filipino culture)? > Also, which systems actively use these elements in training and/or > ceremonies? I know that at least Pekiti Tirsia Kali has been actively > using traditional and metaphysical elements. > Also, what possible (if any) elements does Freemasonry have in the > Filipino culture? Like of the US founding fathers, many of the members > of Katipunan were Freemasons. Does this show in any way in > the Filipino > culture? > > Any ideas? > > - Marko > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > > [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type > application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 00:44:20 -0700 (PDT) From: ken spartan To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] jye nigma's interesting comments re FMA kicks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net hi, may I share my idea on FMA kicks, in response to jye nigma's interesting comments on FMA's kicking quality: FMA is a collective term for martial arts from the Philippines and possess exclusive origins and styles identified from the masters who founded it from the said country. It has lots of disciplines, its the same as you may count aikido, karate, judo as examples of martial arts that originate from Japan and may roughly term them as "the martial arts of Japan". Here in the Philippines, one may quickly identify that the most common art maybe in the form of stick and weapons fighting, hence kali, escrima, etc. I was fortunate enough to practise Kali with pedring Romo, the brother of Master Yuli Romo in Bulacan province and got a rare session with the late grandmaster tatang ilustrisimo himself way back 1996 in Luneta, Manila. FMA kicks hav different employments,and differs greatly from martial arts using kicks as their major offense. If you mean knocking down an opponent with a spectacular high kick to achieve victory in a match that looks good isn't really the theme FMA may present. Rather the FMA kicks and footwork combine with the hands in a deadly recipe of total fighting, probably accomplishing most victories even if kicks do not pass above the waist level. I was advised by my mentors that it all pays its origins from the ancient Filipino warriors who staged battles on harsh landforms the battleground has to offer, greatly affecting the use of footworks and kicks that best suits the fight, not high kickers where usually the opponent wields a sword directly in the path of a kick or punch. As an art forged for multiple attackers on deadly ground, you might find it practical that FMA kicks do serve their purpose: VICTORY. thanks, ken alenton philippines --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Bakbakan@aol.com Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:33:07 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] GM Bobby Taboada in Gilbert, AZ Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Fellow Eskrimadors: Sorry for the short notice. Please see seminar information from Manong Sam Buot & Sandoval's Freestyle Karate. GRANDMASTER BOBBY TABOADA Balintawak Style of Anciong Bacon, Jose Villasin & Teofilo Velez of Cebu Philippines Where: Sandoval Freestyle Karate 425 West Guadalupe Road Gilbert, AZ 85233 When: September 30, 2004, 10:00 AM to 4:00 PM with lunch break Price: $60 and $75 at the door. Call: SAM BUOT 480-206-9785 480-857-7113 or ALLEN SANDOVAL 480-503-3788 480-510-3670 Eskrima/Arnis, martial arts of the Philippines. For eskrima and advanced martial arts students. If desired, wear cups. VERY LIMITED ATTENDANCE Yours in the Arts, John J --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Kes41355@aol.com Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:44:48 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Nate Defensor Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Mac, Yep, I've known Nate for a long time, he's a Chicago buddy from back in the day when I was a frequent seminar attendee at Degerberg's Academy in Chicago. Nate and I came up through Inayan and Tacosa Serrada at around the same time. I'll surely pass this on to my friend. Thanks for the response, much appreciated. Kim Satterfield In a message dated 9/24/04 6:07:58 AM US Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > > Check out Nate Defenser he is very close to Rockford Ill. He teaches > Serrada as part of the Defenser method. He is a great instructor. > > Mac --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Beungood8@aol.com Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 15:17:12 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Muay Thai Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > To further this I wonder how the krabbi krabong mixed with the > dogbrothers (for the sake of an example) influences has been adapted? Is > it pure KK or has it been adapted to fit into the equation? > > If you notice the squared off upright way a thai boxer's stance is it is derived from krabi krabong.  specifically the way the lead hand is "thrown and the off hand moved ,they are really swinging thier two swords in conjunction with thier kick.  If you get a chance to train with a Muat Thai teacher who has trained in Muay thia keteuk or boran they will be able show you and explain the connection with Muay Thai of today. JAck --__--__-- Message: 7 From: julian.gilmour@barclays.co.uk To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:35:06 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] Headbutts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all Andy wrote: "I do know it's a regular part of capoeira, and there are stories of famous capoeiristas in bygone days both giving and receiving vicious headbutts (again, to the stomach or not specified). There's a theory that capoeira comes form / is related to a martial art called "butting and tripping" which, if true, would seem to imply that in times past the art was more known for the headbutting and throws than the acrobatic kicks." FWIW I have read somewhere (and we are all aware of the folklore potential in MA so bear with me) that there is an African martial art called Testa. If memory serves, it comes (bizarrely from Italian) for the word for 'head'. >From what I remember, it's main strategic aim is to engage the opponent with a flurry of flowing strikes, (i.e. in practice a little like good quality FMA) but with the sole intention of lining up the opponent with a powerful head-butt to finish. I believe that they refer to the head as the 'fifth knuckle' and consider it to be so far superior to a standard hand/leg strike as to be worth spending the rest of the conflict just to lead up to it. Therefore, there seems to be (capoeira being of African origin) a definite trend in 'African headbutts'. Also I thought that in a Thai clinch, the elbows were to be held in to the opponent's breastbone to stop headbutts, due to this being allowed in the past. All this aside, apart from a football (soccer) technique of getting the whole body behind a headbutt, I am still in the dark as to specific techniques of delivery. Any suggestions people? 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