Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 17:11:02 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #358 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. NEF National Eskritedo Federation (jj gayo) 2. Re: Master Robert Scranton, Maitre d'Armes (Steve Klement) 3. I am new to this art (Gunny1911a1@aol.com) 4. Re: Re: Nate Defensor and the old days at Degerberg's (stickfighter@charter.net) 5. Re: Re: ED v11.355 - Sac/Houston schools, and training my family... (WoodyTX) 6. Re: Freemasonry (Todd Ellner) 7. Re: NEF National Eskritedo Federation (jay de leon) 8. RE: Re: Freemasonry (1@msfencing.org) 9. RE: Re: Master Robert Scranton, Maitre d'Armes (1@msfencing.org) 10. Re: Footwork within the Various FMA Systems (Andrew Maddox) 11. Re: I am new to this art (Bob Steele) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 20:24:11 -0700 (PDT) From: jj gayo To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] NEF National Eskritedo Federation Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I've studied this FMA school called National Eskritedo Federation and learned a lot from it,...Does anyone knows if theres a school that belongs to this federation? I would really appreciate it. Thanks. james __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Steve Klement Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 23:51:49 -0400 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Master Robert Scranton, Maitre d'Armes Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Mr. Johnson - Our condolences from all at Inayan Systems International. We know how it is to lose the light. Are thoughts are with you at this time. > From: <1@msfencing.org> > Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:17:24 -0500 > Subject: [Eskrima] Master Robert Scranton, Maitre d'Armes > > In Memory of Robert F. Scranton, Maitre d'Armes > 1946 - 2004 > > I miss you Maestro! > > I just received the sad news that my Fencing Master's life here on > earth has > just ended. > Cut short at the age of 58 by cancer. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Gunny1911a1@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 03:15:47 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] I am new to this art Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I am new to this art and find it very effective and would like to know if anyone knows of a good instructor in the phx az area thanks Jim k. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Nate Defensor and the old days at Degerberg's Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:09:39 +0000 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Hi Kim, I can relate to the Degerberg's. I also attend these weekend intensive training with the worlds best. I attened several there myself. You are very right about how down to earth all that tought was. I to met some very cool people It has been great talking to you! Mac > From: Kes41355@aol.com > Date: 2004/09/28 Tue PM 04:13:25 GMT > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Nate Defensor and the old days at Degerberg's > > Hi Mac, > You know, that was so long ago, and the crowds at Fred Degerberg's Academy on > a weekend were so big, that I probably met Rich, but don't recall. I would > not be surprised if Nate doesn't remember me, to tell you the truth. We were > introduced to so many people in those days, Degerberg's was such an incredible > learning experience for me that I can't remember everyone I trained with, as > they with me. A typical crowd for a seminar was easily 150+ people, and we > never knew who would show up to participate. For example, at a Danny seminar > once, Larry Hartsell came in from North Carolina to attend, and I spent several > hours with him one-one-one as he told me about the old days of training with > Bruce Lee and James Lee (Oakland phase of JKD). That was over 20 years ago, but > I remember like it was yesterday; sitting and talking with Larry about > martial arts, what a genuine and generous person he was, one of the nicest people > I've ever had the pleasure to spend time with. Fred Degerberg is the same; > humble, genuine, open, a true gentleman, and like Larry, one of the most talented > martial artists I've ever seen in action. I met Richard Bustillo the same > way, and found him to also be a very decent person, very helpful to us during the > seminar, and very open and down to earth when I got to talk one-on-one with > him. Richard even invited me out to the old Filipino Kali Academy when it was > still located on Normandie in L.A. All in all, the years I spent at > Degerberg's (I attended seminars there about every 6 to 8 weeks) hold some of the most > cherished memories I have in martial arts. I met some amazing people, saw some > absolutely incredible martial artists in action, and will remember those days > always. > > I've encouraged the person who contacted me on-line for Serrada instruction > to seek Nate out, and told him that any drive to get to Nate would be time well > invested. Nate is an excellent martial artist, with a wealth of knowledge to > share. > > Kim Satterfield > > > In a message dated 9/26/04 8:57:59 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > > > > Good luck, I to have known Nate since the early 80's. He is a good guy and > > very knowledable! You must also know Rich? I hope that your freind finds the > > instruction he is seeking. > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:53:41 -0500 From: WoodyTX To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: ED v11.355 - Sac/Houston schools, and training my family... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I know it's unpopular among martial artists, but I second the gun notion. While I love the FMA, I can teach someone effective firearms use in a fraction of the time it takes them to become an effective martial artist. Many times, just showing a firearm will end a confrontation. To a criminal, nothing in your home is worth a sucking chest wound. A somewhat famous martial artist once told me that a knife fighter is someone who's run out of bullets.... WoodyTX On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:37:21 -0700 (PDT), Bart Hubbard wrote: > Hey There, > > I teach out here in Sacramento, in the suburb or > Rancho Cordova. My classes are Monday and Wednesday > 7-8:30pm and Saturday 12-1:30pm. I run a club not a > school. I teach Doce Pares San Miguel and Multi-style. > He's welcome to drop in any time. If he's an LEO he > can work in when he comes by and see if it's something > he wants to do. My website is www.capitaldocepares.com > he can go there for more information. > > I also know a bunch of people out here that teach in > different areas and teach different styles. Somebody > here recommended Dexter Labanog and I do to. I have a > link to his website on mine. > > As for training your family, it's hard to make people > understand that self defense is important, but more > importantly, that it's possible. Many people haven't > been exposed to an art that they can actually DO. > Finding the right art, might help make self defense > seem like an actually realistic possiblity. I would > assess her strengths and weaknesses both physically > and mentally and try to find something that fits her. > That may mean that you'd have to shed some of your own > prejudices about what is effective. Food from > McDonalds might not be the most healthy but it will > get you full. You may also want to consider a firearms > training course for her because martial arts aren't > for everybody. Best of luck. > > ===== > Be Cool. > > Bart Hubbard > Capital Doce Pares > www.capitaldocepares.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:56:08 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time) From: "Todd Ellner" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Freemasonry Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Saadiq writes: >Mr. Terry, > I have no interest in the masons or talking about them but I want to clear up a >misconception. A practicing Muslim does not practice or join groups such as >the free masons, it's considered "Shirk" The worship of something other than >ALLAH Well, you don't have to join in the discussion if you don't want to. As to whether joining the Masons constitutes shirk or not, that depends on exactly what they require of their members. I'm not a Mason, but I have several friends and family members who are. Some of them are devout Christians. Others are practicing Jews. They say, and I have no reason to doubt them, that nothing in the Masonic beliefs or practices interferes with their religious duties or involves worship of anything but the Most High. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:06:44 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] NEF National Eskritedo Federation To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi James: Can you please tell us more about your group or style--where you are, website, founder of style, elements in the style, etc.? Thanks, Jay de Leon jj gayo wrote: I've studied this FMA school called National Eskritedo Federation and learned a lot from it,...Does anyone knows if theres a school that belongs to this federation? I would really appreciate it. Thanks. james __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! --__--__-- Message: 8 From: <1@msfencing.org> To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: Freemasonry Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:42:51 -0500 Organization: 1@msfencing.org Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > I'm not a Mason, but I have several friends and family > members who are. Some of them are devout Christians. Others > are practicing Jews. They say, and I have no reason to doubt > them, that nothing in the Masonic beliefs or practices > interferes with their religious duties or involves worship of > anything but the Most High. My uncle, Dr. James P. Wesberry Sr. was a Baptist minister for over sixty years and a leader in the Southern Baptist denomination before he died in 1992. He was one of the last of the old Southern Gentleman preachers. This is what he had to say about Free Masonry: "I have had the privilege of being a member of many organizations, but none outside of my church has meant more to me than Masonry.... All masons obligate themselves to help, aid and assist the poor, the distressed, the widows and orphans. Nor is charity restricted to fellow masons only, but extended to all. It shares the common bonds of race as children of one great Creator, and seeks to unite men of every race, color, sect and opinion. Masonry practices the Golden Rule and seeks always to eliminate divisive forces which build walls between people." It is no secret that Masons love and revere the Bible. Nor is it a secret that Masonry helped to preserve it in the darkest age of the church when infidelity sought to destroy it. The Bible meets Masons with its sacred message at every step of progress in its various degrees." Dr. James P. Wesberry Former Executive Director of the Lord's Day Alliance and Editor of the Southern Baptist Publication "Sunday" Here is a website that lists many famous Baptist ministers and seminary presidents who were masons: http://www.ncmason.org/book/babtist.htm When I was in Junior High I was a member of Demolay, the Masonic youth organization which seeks to build character and integrity in youths. However, I quit because there were so many other activities vying for my attention. Blessings, Rez Johnson "Standing guard on old, forgotten roads, that no one travels anymore." THE FENCING MASTER by Arturo Perez Rez Johnson, M d'A Headmaster: Mississippi Academy of Arms (Mississippi Fencing Academy) President: United States Traditional Fencing Association Certified Fencing Instructor: (USTFA, TFI, AAI, USFCA) Certified Fencing Master Apprentice: (USTFA, USFCA) Teaching Classical Fencing and Historical Swordsmanship since 1980 Modern Sport Fencing Coach 1980 - 2002 Mississippi Academy of Arms P.O. Box 955 Pelahatchie, MS 39145-0955 E-Mail: 1@MSFencing.org Academy Website: http://MSFencing.org USTFA Website: http://traditionalfencing.org "Eala Earendel engla beorhtast ofer middangeard monnum sended." Crist of Cynewulf > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Ellner [mailto:tellner@cs.pdx.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 10:56 AM > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Freemasonry > > Saadiq writes: > > >Mr. Terry, > > > I have no interest in the masons or talking about them but > I want to > clear up a > >misconception. A practicing Muslim does not practice or join groups > >such > as > >the free masons, it's considered "Shirk" The worship of > something other > than > >ALLAH > > Well, you don't have to join in the discussion if you don't want to. > > As to whether joining the Masons constitutes shirk or not, > that depends on exactly what they require of their members. > I'm not a Mason, but I have several friends and family > members who are. Some of them are devout Christians. Others > are practicing Jews. They say, and I have no reason to doubt > them, that nothing in the Masonic beliefs or practices > interferes with their religious duties or involves worship of > anything but the Most High. > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 9 From: <1@msfencing.org> To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: Master Robert Scranton, Maitre d'Armes Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:46:15 -0500 Organization: 1@msfencing.org Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Mr. Johnson - > > Our condolences from all at Inayan Systems International. > We know how it is to lose the light. Are thoughts are with > you at this time. Thank you Master Klement I spent yesterday reflecting upon him and what he taught me, while watching videos I took of him teaching workshops at my academy. It seems like all of the great old masters are dying off way too soon these days. Since you never know when you are going to lose them it's best to obsorb as much as you can from them while they are still in the land of the living. Thank you again for your kind words and thoughts. Blessings, Rez Johnson "Standing guard on old, forgotten roads, that no one travels anymore." THE FENCING MASTER by Arturo Perez Rez Johnson, M d'A Headmaster: Mississippi Academy of Arms (Mississippi Fencing Academy) President: United States Traditional Fencing Association Certified Fencing Instructor: (USTFA, TFI, AAI, USFCA) Certified Fencing Master Apprentice: (USTFA, USFCA) Teaching Classical Fencing and Historical Swordsmanship since 1980 Modern Sport Fencing Coach 1980 - 2002 Mississippi Academy of Arms P.O. Box 955 Pelahatchie, MS 39145-0955 E-Mail: 1@MSFencing.org Academy Website: http://MSFencing.org USTFA Website: http://traditionalfencing.org "Eala Earendel engla beorhtast ofer middangeard monnum sended." Crist of Cynewulf > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Klement [mailto:klement@inayaneskrima.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 10:52 PM > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Master Robert Scranton, Maitre d'Armes > > Mr. Johnson - > > Our condolences from all at Inayan Systems International. > We know how it is to lose the light. Are thoughts are with > you at this time. > > > > > From: <1@msfencing.org> > > Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:17:24 -0500 > > Subject: [Eskrima] Master Robert Scranton, Maitre d'Armes > > > > In Memory of Robert F. Scranton, Maitre d'Armes > > 1946 - 2004 > > > > I miss you Maestro! > > > > I just received the sad news that my Fencing Master's life here on > > earth has > > just ended. > > Cut short at the age of 58 by cancer. > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:07:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Maddox To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Footwork within the Various FMA Systems Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, Absolom Jones wrote: >1. What type of footwork do you use in your particular style of FMA? Lots of types. I'm not focusing on FMA these days, but I think I've got 15 different footword patterns in my notes. This triangle, that triangle, side step, slide & step, cross-stepping, "chicken steps", should I go on? >3. Is your particular system based on largo, medio or corto range? Yes. Since the last art I formally concentrated on was Lameco, that would be all of the above. In my more recent, personal practice, I don't do much corto work - mostly medio and some largo mano. >4. Does your striking system use a 5, 7, 9,or 12 count method? Please >explain. Um, again, I've got a few striking patterns. Mostly 5-counts for largo, 12-counts for medio. But somewhere, I have written down the "18 strikes of death" 8-) pattern that's part of the really long (24? 30? counts) pattern Guro Inosanto (used to teach? still does? dunno.) >5. How do your stick strikes fit into or accompany your footwork? Well, let's see. If you stop moving, you're gonna get whacked. So, striking and footwork should always (IMHO) be happening together. You should be able to hit well with the lead or rear hand, as you're moving forward or backward or sideways, whatever the situation dictates. This is just me, I'm not a formal FMA practitioner any more, it's just one of the things I try to keep up some level of skill in, so take all the above with several large servings of salt... Selamat, Andy -- Andrew Maddox, madsox squiggle radix point net They are laughing at me, not with me --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Bob Steele" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] I am new to this art Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 17:53:34 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I study under Tom Caufield in Goodyear AZ (West edge of Phoenix metropolitan area). Our style is probably considered unorthodox, but I like it. You can contact Tom at Luke Tang Soo Do in Goodyear. Bob Steele ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:15 AM Subject: [Eskrima] I am new to this art > I am new to this art and find it very effective and would like to know if > anyone knows of a good instructor in the phx az area thanks Jim k. > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest