Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 14:15:03 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #367 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re:Cold Steel Challenge; World FMA Expo in Vegas (al sardinas) 2. Re:headbutts (Gints Klimanis) 3. RE: Martial Arts being useless... (Bert Edens) 4. Top Of The Head / Headbutts (Bert Edens) 5. DeCuerdas clarification (Bakbakan@aol.com) 6. Re: Head-butting and drain bamage (John Johnson) 7. Re: RE: Martial Arts being useless... (WoodyTX) 8. Re: injurie from head butts (Todd Ellner) 9. RE: RE: Martial Arts being useless... (Jared Dame) 10. Re: RE: Martial Arts being useless... (George Storm) 11. looking for Eskrima school in the SF Bay Area (Josh Barrack) 12. Re: Foot-Trapping? (abreton@juno.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "al sardinas" To: Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:40:59 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Re:Cold Steel Challenge; World FMA Expo in Vegas Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thanks Steve for the info on the Cold Steel Challenge. The judging sound fair and the fighting realistic. Ken or anybody else - can you provide more information on the FMA Expo in Vegas? Anything extraordinary happen? How were the seminars? Demos? The Laban Laro Tournament? The Palms Casino Resort? Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 04:41:37 -0700 From: Gints Klimanis To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re:[Eskrima] headbutts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net wrote: > From: GioSEAMA@aol.com > Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:42:17 EDT > The original bare knuckle arts in thailand were called the art of nine > weapons--with the head symbolizing strategy as well as the headbutt. --- > VGiordano Hello Vincent, With all of your research, you're a good fellow to ask this question. While training in Muay Thai (off and on at Nirmayla Bhomick's gym) in a Nepali's program, the term "Eight Limbs" of Muay Thai were used by some instructors to describe the two sections of each of your four appendages. Now, in Yoga practice, I've read about the eight limbs of practice, but they refer to the steps of practice rather than body parts. Is there a tie between these two disciplines or do they simply share the term ? Curious, Gints Klimanis P.S. I hope you had a great time in Burma. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 08:22:58 -0500 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Bert Edens Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Martial Arts being useless... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net At 16:46 10/5/04, you wrote: >From: H R > >I have to agree with you on that notion Bert- if you haven't done it, it's >really hard to fathom an art's meaning to someone, let alone it's >usefulness. I've even noticed (and have been on the receiving end) of >notions and comments- made by other martial arts practitioners, >nonetheless- about certain martial arts being useless. I'm guessing a lot >of that sort of commentary stems from doubts whether certain techniques >would be applicable in a real-life situation. > >In my own opinion, it's almost impossible to see what it means to an >individual, unless you've walked in their proverbial shoes. > >On an ending note, I know it's best to just ignore those comments, but I >don't think I'd be the first to say that they get really annoying after >the 3rd or 4th time. Greetings... Thanks for the reply... So where does this negative concept of other martial arts originate? Instructors? Fellow martial artists? Black Belt Magazine? :-) Most of what I've seen is from fairly new (less than 5 years in the arts) martial artists, and it seems most of them get the impression from their instructor that their art is superior to all others... All I've learned is that if someone is well-trained in their art, and can make you do what they want, you're in trouble... Thus the reasons for cross-training... And I guess I was serious about that jab at Black Belt Magazine (even though I do still read it, mostly to look at the ads and pictures, kinda like Playboy for the martial artist... :-)... Almost every month an article appears there that brags on the effectiveness of some traditional or eclectic art above all others... **shrugs** Speaking of mags, are there any good FMA mags out there? <> - Bert Edens Springdale, Arkansas --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 08:26:06 -0500 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Bert Edens Subject: [Eskrima] Top Of The Head / Headbutts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net At 16:46 10/5/04, you wrote: > >>Also, when you reach up to pull them > >>into the TOP of your head, > >TOP of the head? > >So it's not really the forehead (like they show in the movies) that you >strike with. >Rather it's the part of your head just above the forehead. >Is that right? > >That makes better sense. >Striking someone else's face with my forehead doesn't sound very pleasant. >However, I wouldn't mind using the top of my head. > >Thanks. > >Blessings, >Rez Johnson Greetings, all... When we train for kickboxing and the like, we try to get people to hit the top of the head, right at the crown where many (not all :) people's hairlines start... It's not too hard to lean your head forward a little bit to get someone to jab that spot and still keep your eye on your opponent... Sometimes, it can cause a good stinger in their hand, and I've even see people break their hand / knuckle by punching there too, although one of those was definitely from a poorly wrapped hand... Just some thoughts... <> - Bert Edens Springdale, Arkansas --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Bakbakan@aol.com Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:06:35 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] DeCuerdas clarification Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ray wrote> Is this art any relation to GM Gilbert Tenio's (RIP) DeCuerdas or Suro Mike Inay's (RIP) Dequerdas? Just curious. Neither. It is not presented as an art/system but a mere principle. The term DeCuerdas has different meanings to different systems. We associate it with “ re-bounding”, so the purpose of the DVD is to provide the practitioner with the understanding of re-bounding their strikes be it in offense using enganyos(feints) or in defense and counter/re-counter measures. In addition, the basic drills will help educate the practitioner on compliment angles, openings, high/low lines and open/closed positions. Hope this helps! John --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "John Johnson" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Head-butting and drain bamage Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 10:07:07 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "Alright you knuckleheads knock it off." "Hey Moe, Hey Moe!Watch this Nyuck, Nyuck" "Awe Curly that's nothing watch this" "A we got us a couple of wise guys"BonkSorry Ray, but I had to do it. Peace Out John >Worked well for Moe Howard...:) > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list,1900 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rock, jazz, country, soul & more. Find the music you love on MSN Music! --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:09:42 -0500 From: WoodyTX To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] RE: Martial Arts being useless... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net For me, it began right around the first UFC, when a scrawny grappler from some art I've never heard of cleaned house. I think when someone says "MA is useless", they're referring to their own concept of rigid traditional systems, not modern fighting systems. Next time you hear it, ask them what they mean by martial arts. Karate? Wu-Shu? Panantukan? muay Thai? Boxing? Pancrase? modern combatives? Their answer may well show that you're speaking different languages. WoodyTX On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 08:22:58 -0500, Bert Edens wrote: > Greetings... > Thanks for the reply... > So where does this negative concept of other martial arts > originate? Instructors? Fellow martial artists? Black Belt Magazine? :-) (snip) > <> > > - Bert Edens > Springdale, Arkansas --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 08:11:42 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time) From: "Todd Ellner" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Re: injurie from head butts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Michael Koblic mentions that being head-butted can result in "retinal detachment and consequent blindness". It's true that no surgical result is guaranteed but, thank goodness, retinal reattachment has come a long way. A few years back my wife got a detached retina - a combination of extreme near-sightedness and Thai boxing. Not that long ago it would have meant weeks in bed with her head clamped in place. Now it's outpatient surgery. --__--__-- Message: 9 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] RE: Martial Arts being useless... Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:19:35 -0400 From: "Jared Dame" To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Also one should remind them that there always seems to be at least one person in every martial art that was born with an ability for fighting, and it wouldn't matter which style they trained in they would still be effective. I know of an individual that came that started in ATA Tae Kwon Do and took nothing else that was an extremely effective street fighter. (As demonstrated at bars during my college years) He was so effective it would lead me to state that I wanted him at my back before someone from the Kung Fu studio I was attending at the time. Although I am still new to the FMA (2 years) I have seen what a highly practical and effective martial art can do for someone that does not have that killer/fighter instinct which is why I recommend this form of fighting to anyone that I come across looking for practical self-defense. Also for someone to say that the MA's are useless to me they are indicating their narrow mindedness (is that a word?) Also for Crafty and other dog brothers... love the three points of the sticks on your logo MIND HEART BALLS that about sums it up for me. later, jared -----Original Message----- From: WoodyTX [mailto:woodytx@gmail.com] Sent: Wed 10/6/2004 11:09 AM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] RE: Martial Arts being useless... For me, it began right around the first UFC, when a scrawny grappler from some art I've never heard of cleaned house. I think when someone says "MA is useless", they're referring to their own concept of rigid traditional systems, not modern fighting systems. Next time you hear it, ask them what they mean by martial arts. Karate? Wu-Shu? Panantukan? muay Thai? Boxing? Pancrase? modern combatives? Their answer may well show that you're speaking different languages. WoodyTX On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 08:22:58 -0500, Bert Edens wrote: > Greetings... > Thanks for the reply... > So where does this negative concept of other martial arts > originate? Instructors? Fellow martial artists? Black Belt Magazine? :-) (snip) > <> > > - Bert Edens > Springdale, Arkansas _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "George Storm" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] RE: Martial Arts being useless... Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 10:03:06 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Royce's art is Jui-Jitsu and most everyone had heard of it. Was it really some unknown art to you? <><><><> George S. >From: WoodyTX >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] RE: Martial Arts being useless... >Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:09:42 -0500 > >For me, it began right around the first UFC, when a scrawny grappler >from some art I've never heard of cleaned house. > >I think when someone says "MA is useless", they're referring to their >own concept of rigid traditional systems, not modern fighting systems. > >Next time you hear it, ask them what they mean by martial arts. >Karate? Wu-Shu? Panantukan? muay Thai? Boxing? Pancrase? modern >combatives? > >Their answer may well show that you're speaking different languages. > >WoodyTX > > >On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 08:22:58 -0500, Bert Edens >wrote: > > > Greetings... > > Thanks for the reply... > > So where does this negative concept of other martial arts > > originate? Instructors? Fellow martial artists? Black Belt Magazine? :-) > >(snip) > > > <> > > > > - Bert Edens > > Springdale, Arkansas >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:03:19 -0700 From: Josh Barrack To: Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] looking for Eskrima school in the SF Bay Area Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I'm looking for an Eskrima school in the SF Bay Area, in SF, Daly City, South SF, San Bruno etc. Can anyone recommend a school or 2 for me to check out? Thanks jb --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "abreton@juno.com" Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:35:34 GMT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Foot-Trapping? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I would try Steve Grody's Kail empty hands. If I remember correctly (it's been a while) Guro I's latest video series on Panantukan has a part about foot sectoring. Andy -- Felipe Jocano wrote: Hi, You might try looking at wing chun videos, although the methodology there is kind of different. Bot --- Alex 'Twist' Bohusch wrote: > Hello, > I was wondering if you knew any books or videos > about foot-trapping ? - > Since the Filipino and Indonesian martial arts are > the only ones where > I've seen foot-traps I thought you might be able to > help me. > > Thanks, > Alex > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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