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(jmarana@verizon.net) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:14:48 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time) From: "Todd Ellner" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Dog fighting Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >> I was hoping some of the Special ops people on the >> forum would have chimed in on proper canine sentry >> removal. >I'm not special in anything. But I don't think anyone is going to >sneak up on a dog to remove them. >Shoot them in the head with a suppressed weapon. Yeppers. Dogs have real ears and real noses. We don't. Our shepherd can here the mailman when he's blocks away. They can pick out a woman who's just days pregnant and track specific people by scent for miles. A person trying to be sneaky and tricksy just isn't going to cut it. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:20:19 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time) From: "Todd Ellner" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Pit bulls Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >2. They don't go into shock, and they are remarkably >pain tolerant. So beating them doesn't make them >stop. Putting a stick up their anus *will* do so, as >it totally surprises them - perfectly valid way to >break up a dogfight. Difficult to do if you are being >attacked, though. And guaranteed to get you the dog's undivided attention about a hundredth of a second later. Kind of like the terrible old joke about the spotted snakes. If you're being attacked, then to get at the dog's bung you have to go past the sharp parts. >3. Most PB's actually like people. Hard to believe >given the media hysteria, but most of you have, I >believe, seen enough media hysteria on other topics to >know that the daily news doesn't always print accurate >stories, they print stories that sell. Most PB's that >see you on the street would be far more inclined to >come over for pets or treats than to bite you >unprovoked. Absolutely. Most of them are velcro dogs - they stick to you like velcro. And in colder climates their thin fur makes them even more affectionate. >There are definite exceptions - people >(gang bangers, for instance - lived in Venice for a >while) do incredibly cruel things to these dogs to get >them unbalanced and fierce. You have to work to make them like that. But any animal will turn vicious if you abuse it enough. The people who do this, including one of Portland's very own pro basketball players, deserve to be hanged by the gazengas head down over a slow fire. I'm not speaking figuratively here. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Afern27@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:06:19 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] ROK Literature Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The ROK conversations have piqued my interest. Can anyone recommend any good reading material to further research their history, training, etc? --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] ROK Literature To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:22:45 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > The ROK conversations have piqued my interest. Can anyone recommend any > good reading material to further research their history, training, etc? There is actually a bit of info available on the web. Search for Tiger Division, Capital Division, ROK Capital Cavalry, Korea(n) Tiger Division, White Horse Division, Blue Dragon Division, Blue Dragon Marine Brigade, variations like that. And talk to guys that were assigned to them, esp the Tiger Division, for a few tours. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Bill Lowery" To: Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 03:16:42 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Cacoy Canete R.I.P.? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi All, Good to hear. I thought there would have been A LOT of noise if he had gone. But strange that the term was used that way. I cannot think of how the term "late" could have been used other than to refer to his passing. Still as long as its incorrect, we have a legend for some time to come. ;-) Bill --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Al Sardinas" To: Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:07:32 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Cacoy Lives! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I have a copy of BlackBelt magazine, Volume 42 No. 11. On page 90, there is no mention of the "late" Ciriaco "Canoy" Canete. On page 92, the article states "Ciriaco "Canoy" Canete, the oldest surviving memebr of the Doce Pares Club..." Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of The Garimot System of Arnis --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:42:34 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Dog Brothers Gathering of the Pack Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net A Howl of Greeting: The rhythm of the seasons is with us and its time --the Sunday before Thanksgiving -- for the "Fall Dog Brothers Gathering of the Pack". This promises to be a particularly large DB Gathering. We already have three confirmed fighters from Italy, with fighters from Switzerland, Spain, England, Canada and Mexico making serious efforts to come. As will be discussed further below, we have at least three women fighters scheduled as well. On behalf of the Council of Elders of the Dog Brothers, Dog Brothers Inc. Martial Arts hereby cordially invites you to its "Dog Brothers Summer Gathering of the Pack" at 11:00 AM on Sunday, November 21, 2004 at the RAW Gym in El Segundo to conclude when the fighters are done. First the small print: Many of you may remember our Gatherings held in the park in Hermosa Beach, which, although they were hosted at considerable expense, were always free to you our friends, our guests. However with a private facility involved we now need to charge admission of $10. We ask that you still consider yourselves to be our friends and our guests. In this context we ask that you respect our wishes in the matter of Video. It is very simple: NO VIDEO CAMERAS, NO DUAL PURPOSE CAMERAS (i.e. with both still photo and video capabilities). THIS MATTER IS OF IMPORTANCE TO US! And, if you see someone videoing, please don't let them abuse our hospitality-please let us know. As always, you may take photographs for personal, non-commercial use PROVIDED you give us a complete set of the ones you take. Thanks to the increasing numbers of you who actually remember and bother to do this! It is very much appreciated! Now, what we come for: The Magic Words: The MAGIC WORDS: "No judges, no referees, no trophies. One rule only: Be friends at the end of the day. This means our goal is that no one spends the night in the hospital. Our goal is that everyone leaves with the IQ with which they came. No suing no one for no reason for nothing no how no way! Real Contact Stickfighting is Dangerous and only you are responsible for you. Protect yourself at all times. All copyright belongs to Dog Brothers Inc. CA law applies." This matter of accepting the risk applies to those of you in the crowd too. For example, sticks, and fights for that matter, may go flying into the crowd. Parents should consider things like this in deciding whether a child is old enough to bring along and/or deciding on from where to observe the event. For example, sitting on the heavy bags ringing the fighting area is a really risky idea for a child (or adult for that matter). If a stick or a fight comes careening your way-get out of the way! Each Gathering is different. One recurring question over the years has been about women doing this. Given the small number of women interested, there has been a circular quality to getting this started-- There's no women because there's no women. As I write it appears that we may now have traction. There are three women coming to fight (one all the way from Italy!) which will allow each of them more than one fight. Any additional women considering this may wish to check out http://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=26 At this Gathering, for the third time we will continue our 2 against 2 (or 3 against 3 or 2 against 3?) knife fighting explorations. There was a dramatic improvement in tactics between the second time and the first. No doubt the progress will continue. Remember that you may fight with weapons other than a stick if you can find someone willing to go against you. Please consider stick and knife (aluminum blades OK with us) fights, staff fights, and anything else. In order to more deeply explore certain variables, fighters may agree to "no grappling" rules. In staff fights, the fighters may wear wrestling type ear guards under the fencing masks. There is no charge for fighters but FIGHTERS MUST PRE-REGISTER, even if they have fought before. The Fighter's Registration form can be found on the website. If you are a member of the Dog Brothers tribe an email or phone call will suffice. For all Fighter Registration matters, please contact Cindy at info@dogbrothers.com 310-540-6853. You are not pre-registered until your name appears on the list of registered fighters on the website!!! If you have fought before and show up without having pre-registered there will be a $20 fee AND you will have to grovel with our Veep in Charge of Reality Cindy a.k.a. "Pretty Kitty". We (especially Cindy!) REALLY, REALLY, REALLY don't like having to deal with this on such a busy day so please do both you and us a favor and pre-register. If you haven't fought before and you show up without having pre-registered, you will not be allowed to fight. This will be ruthlessly enforced! "Higher Consciousness through Harder Contact" Crafty Dog Guiding Force of the Dog Brothers President DBIMA (this is here for legal reasons) Cindy "Pretty Kitty" Denny In Charge of Reality http://www.dogbrothers.com 310-540-6853 310-943-2733 (e-fax) --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Beungood8@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 02:06:25 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Canine removal Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 10/27/2004 7:40:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: was hoping some of the Special ops people on the forum would have chimed in on proper canine sentry removal How bout a silenced .22 (Hush puppy).... --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Andy Gibney" To: Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:51:35 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] "Late" Cacoy Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all, Definitely still around. However, being a Filipino he was probably late! Andy --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Natural Spirit Int'l" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Cacoy Lives! Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:27:58 -0700 Organization: Natural Spirit Int'l, Inc. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Cacoy was recently conducted a "Live Audio" interview for my radio show "On The Edge" and it can be accessed via www.kellyworden.com 24/7 in the archived shows. Although his hearing is not what it used to be , he responded well to all the questions and shared some valuable history. Additionally he seemed pretty excited about life and constantly laughed about different events he had experienced. By the way, Joe Lewis will be discussing his views on JKD and his new book about Bruce Lee this upcoming Saturday. Respectfully, Kelly S. Worden ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Sardinas" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 8:07 PM Subject: [Eskrima] Cacoy Lives! > I have a copy of BlackBelt magazine, Volume 42 No. 11. On page 90, there is > no mention of the "late" Ciriaco "Canoy" Canete. On page 92, the article > states "Ciriaco "Canoy" Canete, the oldest surviving memebr of the Doce > Pares Club..." > > Respectfully, > Al Sardinas > Student of The Garimot System of Arnis > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Cacoy Lives! To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:35:21 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Additionally he seemed pretty excited about life and constantly laughed > about different events he had experienced. Cacoy clearly enjoys life. His laugh is as prolific as his stick. On the story front it amazes me how he remembers dates. He can tell you off the top of his head when certain challenge matches occurred, even tho they were 50 years ago. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] "Late" Cacoy Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:30:06 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net ROFLMAO! How true, how true :-) Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Gibney" To: Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 3:51 AM Subject: [Eskrima] "Late" Cacoy > Hi all, > > Definitely still around. However, being a Filipino he was probably late! > > Andy > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 13 From: To: Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:35:50 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Wing Chun in MD/DC? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I have a friend that is studying Wing Chun in Columbia, Maryland but works/lives closer to DC. She really likes Wing Chun, but is starting to think she needs to find another instructor. Does anyone know of any good Wing Chun instructors in the MD/DC area? Joe --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest