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Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2000 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Re: Largo vs. corto... (Felipe Jocano) 2. Largo/Corto Thingy! (Magtutudlo) 3. Re: Largo/Corto Thingy! (Mike Casto) 4. Re: Largo/Corto Thingy! (WoodyTX) 5. Largo/Corto...again (Magtutudlo) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 21:45:43 -0800 (PST) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Largo vs. corto... To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net We haven't had one like that yet, but that would be interesting, considering I'm only about 5'9"...Being the aggressor in a drill with him as the receiver would be a sight, I bet. :-) Bot --- Young Forest wrote: >> I had a student who was 6'11" - pain in the ass > trying to close on him, > since just one of his backwards steps equalled four > or five of my bitty > little forwards steps. > > Badger Jones > Siling Labuyo Arnis > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Magtutudlo" To: Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:59:34 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Largo/Corto Thingy! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Let's just say theoretically speaking, what if your opponent is taller than you and he has similar skills as you have, would it make a difference? I'm not arguing your opinion but rather pointing out Taller and Smaller opponents. Pretty sure that taller opponents have advantages toward your skills. As you have mentioned - 2 equally skilled Eskrimador went to corto range and the stronger would probably win the fight. What if the taller opponent is much stronger than you? let's set an example the size of "The Rock" (the wrestler) - he's quick and agile and takes hits without a fuss... would it make a difference if he uses largo to a smaller opponent? Most people I know that fighting would not make any difference about your height but how to use your brain and techniques. However, if your taller and your brain think completely similar to yours, would it be a better advantage? "But we are not saying Corto is weaker that Largo, again, it is depends on your preference. If I got caught in Corto, I will fight our corto range tactics. We are not believed in Medium range, 50/50 is not on our preference. Whether your are in or out." What if you get caught with a Largo range? would you use largo range to a taller and stronger and faster opponent and the same fighting skills as you have? Yet again, the laws of physics apply to some point. Sincerely, Bobby ______________________________________ > Everyone who contributed to the topics is right, and raised their good point > of their opinion. In a sense that everyone understand what range is favor to > their physical size and length of their weapons. > > Let me share a little piece of info, In Laguna (particularly the Garimot > Arnis), size is not a necessary have advantage of the Largo Mano range, probably > in Corto I would believed that the two equally skilled Eskrimadors went to > Corto range, I would say most likely the stronger will win the fights. But in > Largo Mano, I will guarantee, if anyone can master our way of Largo Mano, your > preference in range would be change forever. > > I am not tall I am average size Filipino of 5" feet and change, but I tested > to the tallest, strongest practitioner of the Arts of Arnis that I can easily > hit them, in Largo Mano range without worrying to get hurts back. This is not > only to show them the techniques. This is what we believed we have different > theory of Largo Mano to any Arnis, Eskrima, Kali system out there. > > I know is hard to believed it could happen, but hey if you have doubt to what > I am telling you cought me on one of my seminar, demonstration, and I will > guarantee you would not be disappointed. > > My Father and several of my Maestro's used this theory and keep them alive, I > used it in countless matches in Unpadded Stick fighting arena in Laguna > Philippines a numerous street fights and keep me standing still. I preached it to > my student to used it and master it, for their own good and safety. This is no > Gimmick, No tricks, just straight technical that would change your view of > Largo Mano. > > But we are not saying Corto is weaker that Largo, again, it is depends on > your preference. If I got caught in Corto, I will fight our corto range tactics. > We are not believe in Medium range, 50/50 is not on our preference. Whether > your are in or out. > > Our Largo Mano can easily ruled your distance by using our triangular > footwork, body mechanics and weapon attacking directions. Again is not a rocket > science but it works for us... > > Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet > GAT International > Laguna Arnis Federation International > Harimaw Buno Federation > Hilot Research Center --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:43:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Largo/Corto Thingy! From: "Mike Casto" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The person who's better at using his/her tools (regardless of what those tools are, including height) will have the upper hand. If the tall guy is better at using his height than the short guy is at using his then the tall guy will have the advantage. And vice versa. The brand name of the tools - whether it's the system, size, strength, whatever - doesn't make much difference. A master mechanic with a $3 wrench will almost always do a better job than an amateur mechanic with a $300 wrench. Mike --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:33:46 -0600 From: WoodyTX To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Largo/Corto Thingy! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net If you keep sharing wisdom like that, you're going to put some "extreme tactical ultimate defense" schools out of business.... WoodyTX On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:43:28 -0500 (EST), Mike Casto wrote: > The person who's better at using his/her tools (regardless of what those > tools are, including height) will have the upper hand. If the tall guy is > better at using his height than the short guy is at using his then the > tall guy will have the advantage. And vice versa. > > The brand name of the tools - whether it's the system, size, strength, > whatever - doesn't make much difference. A master mechanic with a $3 > wrench will almost always do a better job than an amateur mechanic with a > $300 wrench. > > Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Magtutudlo" To: Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 14:00:44 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Largo/Corto...again Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "...I am not tall I am average size Filipino of 5" feet and change, but I tested to the tallest, strongest practitioner of the Arts of Arnis that I can easily hit them, in Largo Mano range without worrying to get hurts back. This is not only to show them the techniques. This is what we believed we have different theory of Largo Mano to any Arnis, Eskrima, Kali system out there." One more example. Let just say you are playing basketball. One player (your opponent) is about 5'10" and you're about (guessing only) 5'4" tall... one on one game and both of you have exceptional skills. Now, who has the advantage? So the only way you can shoot the ball is through "long-range" or "outside shot" because your chance of getting to the basket is slim. It's the same principle that you're going to fight a tall opponent. Your preferences matter all the time because you're facing an opponent that is skillful and taller than you. That's all... my thoughts only. Respectfully, Bobby --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest