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Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2000 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: The subject of ranges (Kes41355@aol.com) 2. Re: Largo vs. corto... (Felipe Jocano) (Young Forest) 3. Re: Largo/Corto Thingy! (Steve Klement) 4. RE: Re: The subject of ranges (Matt Peterson -Hotmail) 5. Re: Re: Largo/Corto Thingy! (Mike Casto) 6. Re: Re: Largo/Corto Thingy! (WoodyTX) 7. Re: Trinity (All Blade) 8. Largo Mano against tall person (GatPuno@aol.com) 9. The long and the short of it (Michael Koblic) 10. The Day of Champions Tournament Results! (Karen Pence) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Kes41355@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:23:34 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: The subject of ranges Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all, Nice post Mike...you know, Rocky made a post here a while back the last time the subject of ranges came up, and it made the most sense of anything I've read about "ranges." He said his dad told him (not a direct quote, but close), "There are only two ranges that matter...the range where your opponent can hit you, and the range where he can't." I find this to be true in our training. We concentrate on two "ranges," Larga, the entering range, and the range where the stuff hits the fan. You can call it Corto, whatever, but it's the range where the alive hand comes into play. Most of our training in centered here, since it's the range that most folks will crash into after Larga range; most don't stop in Medio, they go right to Corto after entering. We isolate this range with drills, and place the student in the worst scenarios we can dream up. Works for us... Kim Satterfield Midwest School of Eskrima In a message dated 11/9/04 7:05:06 AM US Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > The person who's better at using his/her tools (regardless of what those > tools are, including height) will have the upper hand. If the tall guy is > better at using his height than the short guy is at using his then the > tall guy will have the advantage. And vice versa. > > The brand name of the tools - whether it's the system, size, strength, > whatever - doesn't make much difference. A master mechanic with a $3 > wrench will almost always do a better job than an amateur mechanic with a > $300 wrench. > > Mike --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Young Forest" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 15:33:32 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Largo vs. corto... (Felipe Jocano) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >We haven't had one like that yet, but that would be >interesting, considering I'm only about 5'9"...Being >the aggressor in a drill with him as the receiver >would be a sight, I bet. :-) The classic quote - while doing a sticking hands exercise Mr. 6'11" says "Hey, did you know you leave the top of your head open?" to his 6'4" opponent, who comes back with "IT WAS NEVER A PROBLEM BEFORE!" Badger Jones Siling Labuyo Arnis --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Steve Klement Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:11:59 -0500 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Largo/Corto Thingy! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Right Mike! And if I may further state... There is a big difference in whether we are talking empty hand, rattan or blade. In empty handed conflict you can usually suffer a mistake and continue with your objective. Rattan maybe. Edged weapons - probably not. It all happens in a blink of an eye and though I am not, even if I was 6 foot 8 inches a leprechaun could cut me down if I make a mistake. As my Instructor often said: "The blade is the great equalizer". -- Steve Klement Inayan Masirib Guro www.inayaneskrima.com klement@inayaneskrima.com Inayan Systems International > Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:43:28 -0500 (EST) > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Largo/Corto Thingy! > From: "Mike Casto" > > The person who's better at using his/her tools (regardless of what > those > tools are, including height) will have the upper hand. If the tall guy > is > better at using his height than the short guy is at using his then the > tall guy will have the advantage. And vice versa. > > The brand name of the tools - whether it's the system, size, strength, > whatever - doesn't make much difference. A master mechanic with a $3 > wrench will almost always do a better job than an amateur mechanic > with a > $300 wrench. > > Mike --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Matt Peterson -Hotmail" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: The subject of ranges Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:46:49 -0600 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Could you give me more info especially Locations on the Midwest School of Eskrima? Matt Peterson -----Original Message----- From: Kes41355@aol.com [mailto:Kes41355@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 7:24 AM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: The subject of ranges Hi all, Nice post Mike...you know, Rocky made a post here a while back the last time the subject of ranges came up, and it made the most sense of anything I've read about "ranges." He said his dad told him (not a direct quote, but close), "There are only two ranges that matter...the range where your opponent can hit you, and the range where he can't." I find this to be true in our training. We concentrate on two "ranges," Larga, the entering range, and the range where the stuff hits the fan. You can call it Corto, whatever, but it's the range where the alive hand comes into play. Most of our training in centered here, since it's the range that most folks will crash into after Larga range; most don't stop in Medio, they go right to Corto after entering. We isolate this range with drills, and place the student in the worst scenarios we can dream up. Works for us... Kim Satterfield Midwest School of Eskrima In a message dated 11/9/04 7:05:06 AM US Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > The person who's better at using his/her tools (regardless of what those > tools are, including height) will have the upper hand. If the tall guy is > better at using his height than the short guy is at using his then the > tall guy will have the advantage. And vice versa. > > The brand name of the tools - whether it's the system, size, strength, > whatever - doesn't make much difference. A master mechanic with a $3 > wrench will almost always do a better job than an amateur mechanic with a > $300 wrench. > > Mike _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Largo/Corto Thingy! Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:59:53 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Amen to that one, Steve. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Klement" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 12:11 PM Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Largo/Corto Thingy! > Right Mike! And if I may further state... There is a big difference in > whether we are talking empty hand, rattan or blade. In empty handed > conflict you can usually suffer a mistake and continue with your > objective. Rattan maybe. Edged weapons - probably not. It all happens > in a blink of an eye and though I am not, even if I was 6 foot 8 inches > a leprechaun could cut me down if I make a mistake. As my Instructor > often said: "The blade is the great equalizer". > > -- > Steve Klement > Inayan Masirib Guro > www.inayaneskrima.com > klement@inayaneskrima.com > Inayan Systems International --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 13:44:20 -0600 From: WoodyTX To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Largo/Corto Thingy! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Or, as they used to say in the American West: "God made men, but Sam Colt made men equal." WoodyTX On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:11:59 -0500, Steve Klement wrote: > As my Instructor > often said: "The blade is the great equalizer". > > -- > Steve Klement > Inayan Masirib Guro > www.inayaneskrima.com > klement@inayaneskrima.com > Inayan Systems International --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "All Blade" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 22:18:08 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Trinity Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Harken back to the Lamont Norshadow and Jerome Barber controversy. Two in one person. Could it be that LN, JB, and Adam Tousaint are three in one, an unholy trinity? Inquiring minds and all. Think about it. Guro Blade always cuts deep _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement --__--__-- Message: 8 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:23:36 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Largo Mano against tall person Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Bobby, On your first question about the two equally Largo mano player, tall and short, the taller have advantage? If this is the scenario now the game start from this, who is faster, who is good in timing, who would defeat in lower position to the highest peak position. Tall doesn't make me believed have advantage in Largo Mano fighting range. I would put my word and guts on that 100% Now this second post, I would be stupid to play basketball in tall person. Becaused I am not a basketball player first of all. I am a Eskrimador, I would fight the Basket ball player in anytime with stick or without a stick if they attack me. Now I put my opinion and the theory of the Laguna Largo Mano on this thread, to give you and other new thing to think, not to put limitation to your skill. Its becaused he is tall, he can automatically take advantage of the lenght of his arms. Non-sense I am not affraid to fight the taller person, becaused I know my weapon is is the equalizer, now if you still not believed in my theory is fine. Our opinion is not necessary for you practice what you believed. Just practice what you know and hopefully that would help you to survived in time you need them. I wish you good luck and enjoy training. I would not put the whole theory on the digest, to convince you.. I will show it to you and the rest of the curious practitioner what we are talking about. Salamat and I understand you perfectly, I just cannot make everyone please.. If you got more questioned about basketball, I cant answer you on that.. keep it simple the topic is Eskrima, throw me a question in FMA.. Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet GAT International Laguna Arnis Federation International Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA > One more example. Let just say you are playing basketball. One player > (your opponent) is about 5'10" and you're about (guessing only) 5'4" tall... > one on one game and both of you have exceptional skills. Now, who has the > advantage? So the only way you can shoot the ball is through "long-range" > or "outside shot" because your chance of getting to the basket is slim. > It's the same principle that you're going to fight a tall opponent. Your > preferences matter all the time because you're facing an opponent that is > skillful and taller than you. > > That's all... my thoughts only. > > > Respectfully, > Bobby --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Michael Koblic" To: "Eskrima digest" Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:42:22 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] The long and the short of it Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "One more example. Let just say you are playing basketball. One player (your opponent) is about 5'10" and you're about (guessing only) 5'4" tall... one on one game and both of you have exceptional skills. Now, who has the advantage? So the only way you can shoot the ball is through "long-range" or "outside shot" because your chance of getting to the basket is slim. It's the same principle that you're going to fight a tall opponent. Your preferences matter all the time because you're facing an opponent that is skillful and taller than you" I can relate to that. Beat the taller guy with hook shots and foul play. Also found out that on the basketball court attacking the low line is generally frowned upon and sinking one's teeth into the opponent's groin is a downright no-no :-) Michael Koblic Campbell River, BC --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Karen Pence" To: Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:01:15 -0600 Subject: [Eskrima] The Day of Champions Tournament Results! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net How do you describe an event that is so exciting that it barely leaves you time to breathe much less blink before something else happens? Two Title Belts, 17 Medals, $6,000 worth of prizes, eight sponsors, high impact action, the art of Kali to the max, pounding music.and the glory! This event could only be called "The Day of Champions." Fighters and audience members alike entered the gymnasium at Givens Recreation Center in Austin, Texas, to find it transformed into a martial arts arena. There were a few changes to the set up this time around. There was one ring set up in the middle of the floor, and around the ring were about 4 rows of seats for the audience members. Some of the audience was hesitant at first to be so close to the ring, but after the matches began, everyone was ready to join the front row action. In between matches, there were several prize drawings held for audience members that were present. Those prizes ranged from a free month at the Martial Way Academy, Cold Steel DVDs, Sjamboks, Reon 1 Folding Knives, and even Eskrima Sticks. A total of 11 fighters were gathered at the beginning of the tournament to make sure everyone knew the rules and guidelines. The most important thing of course was to have fun, but the main rules as found on the website www.edgefighting.com were also laid out. The ring judge made it clear that this competition was not just to prove who was the better fighter, but above all, who was the better martial artist. This meant a total respect for the blade and the weapons represented. It was established that while the weapons were padded, the judges would look for the realistic amount of damage during these fights. With that, everyone could also stay friends at the end of the day. The action was underway. At 11am sharp with the judges doing a rules demonstration for the audience. It was then time to let the bulls out of the pin and get the divisions started. The first two divisions of the day were Bladed Stick and Bladed Knife. These divisions are the most technical and take only the best to the top. Kristy Wilson would go all the way in Bladed Stick to win the division. She was definitely a crowd favorite as they watched in awe as she worked her way to 1st place. In Bladed Knife, Enrique Dryere would push his way all the way to the finals and then would have to defeat his friend and teammate to win first place. With the technical divisions out of the way we moved into the Submission Divisions where the action and sweat really starts to pump. Each competitor would square off for three - one minute rounds to see who would advance to the next opponent. Roberto "the Machine" Vallarino would show his team and school proud with a great amount of drive as he continued to cut his way to the top and gain 1st Place in Submission Knife. Just as expected the Submisson Stick Division would be where everyone was watching close. Not only to see who would get to the final three; but also because one of the final three would be awarded a Wild Card to fight for the Title Belt. Issa Kafena and Roberto Vallarino were already contenders so it would be a fight to see who would wrap up the division. In the finals we saw Roberto picking up 1st Place and Rocky Gonzalez in his first Stick Competition winning 2nd Place and the Wild Card for the Title Division. Now one of the two biggest moments of the day would be who was going to win the belt! Issa and Rocky would both go first to see who would advance and compete against Roberto. This would lead Issa to advance and without wanting a break, Roberto walked to the ring and they got it on! At the end of this action we would see Roberto Vallarino crowned the new 2004 Stick Fighting Champion. Next up would be our other biggest moment and most anticipated, the Open Weapons Division. This was great action because we would see knife and shield, stick and shield, stick and daggar and even double stick all square off to see who would be the very first Open Weapons Champion! In the finals we would see Rocky Gonzalez win 3rd Place with stick and daggar. This would give us another great Issa and Roberto match up with both wielding double stick and fighting for another belt! After a sudden death fourth round, today would definitely be the day of "the Machine". Roberto would be also crowned the first ever Open Weapons Champion! All in all it was an amazing day with all of the competitors showing great skill. All the judges cards would reflect that every match was a close call. Almost every match had a 2-1 ratio showing you just how good every one of the competitors were throughout the day. This on top of great sponsors like Cafe Java feeding us breakfast. ActionFlex supplying the weaponry. Cold Steel and Pointman Productions awarding the prizes. Austin Screen Printing for printing the competitors and staff t-shirts. Advocare for keeping the energy level and focus razor sharp. Finally Obee's Sandwiches for a great lunch to finalize a great show. This was truly a Day of Champions. We are looking forward to our next show already set 6 months in advance so everyone can train, save up, make travel arrangements and get ready for The Edge 2005 Knife & Stick Fighting Championships. Our next tournament will be held on Saturday, April 16, 2005! Please contact us if you are interested in competing, judging or even spectating and cheering on these great athletes. Call 512.339.8264 for any more information. We hope to see you all there! Results for The Day of Champions were: Bladed Stick Division 1st Place - Kristy Wilson 2nd Place - Rocky Gonzalez 3rd Place - Enrique Dryere 4th Place - Issa Kafena Bladed Knife Division 1st Place - Enrique Dryere 2nd Place - Elio Botello 3rd Place - Roberto Vallarino 4th Place - Michael Mattingly Submission Knife Division 1st Place - Roberto Vallarino 2nd Place - Issa Kafena 3rd Place - Freddie Espiricueta Submission Stick Division 1st Place - Roberto Vallarino 2nd Place - Rocky Gonzalez 3rd Place - Freddie Espiricueta New Stick Fighting Champion - Roberto Vallarino Open Weapons Division 1st Place - Roberto Vallarino (double stick) 2nd Place - Issa Kafena (double stick) 3rd Place - Rocky Gonzalez (stick and dagger) Karen Martial Way Student --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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