Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 03:01:50 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #408 - 2 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2000 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Laguna Largo Mano (Nate Defensor) 2. Days (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:17:02 -0800 (PST) From: Nate Defensor To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Laguna Largo Mano Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Guro Abon, Mike, and All: This is in regards to the post about the non-advantage in height if the principles of Laguna Largo Mano is used. I concur in this opinion in regards to the Laguna Largo Mano principle of using one's position to gain control of the Largo range. I have practiced Lastiko Largo Mano, Inayan Largo Mano, Western Fencing and Pekiti Tirsia Kali's Largo Mano/5-Attacks/Seguidas range. I have also practiced first hand the Largo Mano as practiced under Batikan Raymund Tobosa who learned it from Grandmaster Floro Villabrille. Laguna Largo Mano definitely differs in training and goal as opposed to the Largo Mano taught in Lastiko, Pekiti Tirsia, and Tobosa/Villabrille systems. Laguna Largo Mano when played correctly, the defender can hit the attacker on the head or body, and the body/head/shoulder/trunk is in reach and in range, but the the attacker will definitely miss the defender's head and/or body. It is akin to range of the slingshot versus the 30/30 rifle. The slingshot will always be short in range and the 30/30 will always travel further. Laguna Largo mano when done correctly will always outdistanced or will always hit the head/face/body of the attacker no matter how tall or how long their reach. About the only chance is if the attacker is using a 12 foot pole. For those of you that have practiced Tayada/Mohara Numerado, if you always apply the circling principle and always going to the zero pressure of the attacker, the defender will almost always be on the side or back of the attacker at the end of each counter. Your position as a defender, when applying the Tayada Numerado principle will always have the upper hand. Applying Guro Abon Baet's Laguna Largo Mano principle will always get the defender in the best position after that first initial strike. Granted, timing, speed, accuracy, type of weapon and other obvious attributes will help and could possibly nullify any defense. But in concurrence to Guro Abon's points, applying the Laguna Largo Mano principle in the long range game will almost, always give one the upper hand. >From what I can gather, the other Largo Mano systems that I have seen so far have always concentrated on countering the attacking limb. In most Largo systems, the hand is always cut or hit with the end of one's weapon either going against the blow (contra or meet) or going with the blow (seguida or sagang sagawas or follow). It does not seem to matter how one positions his/her body/feet/and direction. Largo usually entails long distance fighting and/or range. The big difference is in Laguna Largo Mano, the defender will position his/her body/feet/posture in such a way that the attacking weapon will always miss his/her head and/or body. Text explanation does not give it justice. One has to see it, feel it, and go up against it in order to be fully or possibly convinced in my humble opinion. Peace to all & Magandang Gabi sa Lahat, Nate Defensor http://www.defensormethod.com http://www.kalieskrima.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:02:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] Days Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Happy 229th Birthday today to the US Marines. Happy Vets Day tomorrow to all the vets out there. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest