Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 03:01:51 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #409 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2000 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Largo mano (GatPuno@aol.com) 2. Re: Days (DenverAMA@aol.com) 3. Re: Re: Largo vs. corto... (Felipe Jocano) (Felipe Jocano) 4. Women's self defense class, Wed. Nov.17 (Sidney525@aol.com) 5. Re: Pet the doggie please (Michael Mason) 6. Rick Hernandez' e-mail address (Moritz Sisenop) 7. Re: Midwest School of Eskrima (Kes41355@aol.com) 8. flash back (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:37:28 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Largo mano Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Bobby, Here is my answer on your long post. I will keep it clear as possible.. > Gat Puno Abon, > > Here are some of my answers... > > "On your first question about the two equally Largo mano player, tall and > > Bobby 1.. My thoughts are not a question of who is faster and weaker. I > did say > that "similar" abilities as you - means also faster and almost equally the > same. Because not all tall people are slower or can be easily taken down > with smaller opponents. A good perception about playing a taller opponents > also will give positive ideas to yourself but we have different ways of > thinking. different brains and structures and these makes all people unique > (as yourself) and sometimes advantages and disadvantages are part of it. > > 1anwer) I was talking in general, that becaused you are tall, or they are tall they can take advantage in Largo mano. Again its not going to change my answer. Kahit anong laki mo sa Largo mano na aming ginagamit ay equal lamang kami. Ngayon sa tanong mo ng parehong magaling.. Di parehong talo at parehong panalo. Two person that equal skill that fight to each other, most likely both of them would be lost their life of just both of them going run for their life.. Equal eh, equal na takot, at equal na matapang. Now if I am fighting the tall person and we are equally skilled, I would difinitely keep him away as much as I can do it. That our largo keeping you away. > Bobby 2.. I am not saying that you have to play basketball with taller > person, > please don't take it literally. I'm only stating principles of > application - basketball is not the center of subject at hand but certain > points limitation of playing a taller and shorter person. I'm sure that > your skills are exceptional when it comes to Eskrima. Hindi naman ako > nagsasabing makipaglaro ka ng Arnis sa basketbolero - walang punto ang > magawa sa makipaglaro ka sa walang alam na arnis. - not also saying that > you have to fight a basketball player with arnis sticks because there is no > point on playing one that doesn't have any knowledge of Arnis. Only > principles of application not factual. > > 2answer), This is what I dont practiced, to read your mind and practically > know what you meant on what example you are using. Hindi ko makuha ang punto > mo sa basketbalesta.. Pare bigat ka .. Gawin mo kaya sa technical ng Arnis > baka makuha ko.. labo mo.. Bobby > 3.. Positive thinking is one way of getting the job done. Not doubt > about > that! Argumentatively speaking, taller opponents have other ways fighting > smaller opponents and again I'm not questioning your abilities but with > giving a simple perspective thoughts. Your confidence is not a question > too. but what my late grandfather taught me to think ways to fight and be > not overconfident about your skills because this will be your downfall. He > maybe right or wrong but this changed my whole perspective in life. > > 3 answer) Practically speaking, I am not over confident, I am sure 100% percent to what I talking about. My Father told me the opposites, he want me to be positive right away, and dont put anything not even 1% negative on my mind. Everytime, I enter the ring or fight, I know that I could win this fight no doubt in my mind, and so far, I know if I cannot handle it. But when i SAID I CAN DO IT, you bet i would. So far wala pang nag papabago ng aking paniwala. May you can... You have to be sure to yourself and stand to waht you believed 100% at that time.. Sabi ng mga matatanda makipagpitpitan ako ng itlog dito.. This is waht keep me alive, if i once I got beaten, I will take this as positive still, more training necessary, I would get up and train harder that before.. Still positive. > > 4.. Why not? If these theories are applicable and easily done, why hold > back your? Lahat naman tayong mga Pilipino mahilig at gustong malaman kong > anong ginawa sa iba (so sorry about this.). Again sir, basketball playing > is not the main question if you know it or not, I'm only stating a theory > about tall and small opponents. My questions are as simple as I can relate > and those questions are fairly for the sake of FMA practitioners. Thanks > for your time in addressing my post. > Respectfully, > > Bobby 4answer) Ako iba sa Pinoy na na sinasabi mo, I dont wanna know what you are doing, kase I will get irritate I would tell you you are wrong I dont want to do that and start talking like this now. So I would not want to do that, Hindi kase ako tsismoso.. eh.. Our largo mano is different and not available to the person that narrow minded, You have to see it to believed it.. This is not an easy theory to write and understand, even you see it already the way we do it.. Still you need to analyzed the meticulous angle, footwork, that come with it and most of all the body mechanics. Again, I am just on reading thing like you wrote, do not beat me with you penmaship, I am bad on that, but with stick, guarantee you gonna have a good fight first. Thank you also for taking the time to answer this, its a healthy conversation. Just got little twisted in defferent opinion and I respect your opinion.. My thought also is for the sake of the FMA, I believed that we are talking different theory of Largo Mano.. I keep it simple this, In our Largo Mano, I can hit you and you cannot hit me even you are very tall, you can run but you cannot hide.. Good luck,,, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet GAT Internaqtional Laguna Arnis Federation International Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA --__--__-- Message: 2 From: DenverAMA@aol.com Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 01:33:40 EST Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Days To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net HERE HERE TO THAT!! > Happy 229th Birthday today to the US Marines. > > Happy Vets Day tomorrow to all the vets out there. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 01:43:43 -0800 (PST) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Largo vs. corto... (Felipe Jocano) To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Badger, Hahahahahaha! Pity the 5'9" partner then :-) if it wasn't a problem before, it sure is now! :-) Bot > The classic quote - while doing a sticking hands > exercise Mr. 6'11" says > "Hey, did you know you leave the top of your head > open?" to his 6'4" > opponent, who comes back with "IT WAS NEVER A > PROBLEM BEFORE!" > > Badger Jones > Siling Labuyo Arnis > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Sidney525@aol.com Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:57:09 EST To: guronate@sbcglobal.net, davidwang@yahoo.com, bagua19@yahoo.com, yarnall.sr@worldnet.att.net, pyumping@netzero.net, PtSgt@aol.com, theworldwidewes@hotmail.com, toenisk@yahoo.com, DJUNiTeE@aol.com, communityrelations@respectcampaign.net, nosarabi@neiu.edu, gluesmoker@hotmail.com, ssipin@wi.rr.com, dannysolis79@sbcglobal.net, totoamy@fuse.net, michael@sgdp.com, defensor@elginkarate.com, eluna01@sprintspectrum.com, stickfighter@charter.net, mccarthy.shawn@marshfieldclinic.org, bmoran2000@hotmail.com, daniel@pyro.net, Jezball7@aol.com, paej@juno.com, panergar@hotmail.com, lemarc1@comcast.net, stevejuhasz@ameritech.net, benlum1@yahoo.com, phonwar@hotmail.com, domagasg@imefdm.usmc.mil, info@kalieskrima.com, jmc6270@hotmail.com, rdraney@uchicago.edu, oezzat@netscape.net, johnf@inxpress.net, arctrx@yahoo.com, ben.cirrus@gmail.com, CUDAKID115@aol.com, ddelpilar@hotmail.com, eskrima@martialartsresource.net, eamante@cvalet.com, PAmbubuyog@topco.com, barabay2000@yahoo.com, bagua642002@yahoo.com, patty12@mindspring.com, oliver.carnate@comcast.net Subject: [Eskrima] Women's self defense class, Wed. Nov.17 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net We have rescheduled the start date of the women's self-defense class to Wedensday Nov 17. So if you know anybody interested please foward this to them. salamat sid see attached flyer [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of fma-women's self-defense course.doc] --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Michael Mason" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Pet the doggie please Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:07:21 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "friends at the end of the day" is a phrase popularly used by those playing in JKA full contact events back in the late 1970s and may be before that. M. M. Mason > >Copyright, no; proper credit, yes. > >...and don't call me Shirley. :-P > >WoodyTX > > >On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:00:57 -0500, Michael Mason >wrote: > > Shirley ;-) this is a joke. Who would think that they could copyright >a > > phrase so commonly used throughout the ma community. > > > > M. M. Mason > > > > > > > > >I would love to acknowledge that, but I didn't write this, I just was >asked > > >to post it. I will forward your message on to Larry St. Clair and let >him > > >know. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:42:49 +0100 (CET) From: Moritz Sisenop To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Rick Hernandez' e-mail address Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Can anyone give me Rick Hernandez' e-mail address please? - Moritz ___________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 100MB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: http://mail.yahoo.de --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Kes41355@aol.com Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:38:20 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Midwest School of Eskrima Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Matt, Sure...we're located in Fort Wayne, Indiana, and I've been an Eskrima practitioner for 27 years. If you'd like to E-mail me @ Kes41355@aol.com, I'd be happy to provide more info. Kim Satterfield In a message dated 11/9/04 6:17:57 PM US Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > Could you give me more info especially Locations on the Midwest School of > Eskrima? > > Matt Peterson --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:11:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] flash back Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Old post from ten years ago... Ray -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Taken from the Kris Cutlery catalog (#7). Kris Cutlery sells a fine variety of Moro Kris and Barongs, Indonesian Keris and other weapons. Historical Background Philippines, Indonesia and Malaysia have some of the most varied edge weapons in the world! Some historians have grouped these three countries into one: The Malay World. Similarities in language, culture and racial stock are sometimes not easily recognized due to the colonial influence of the past and the political boundaries that exist up to the present. Indonesia was occupied by Dutch colonizers; Philippines, by the Spanish conquistadores; and Malaysia by the British Empire. The subjugation of these countries resulted in bloodshed in some areas. In Sumatra, the Aceh and Menangkabaws had a long record of uprisings against the Dutch. The Bugis from Sulawesi also gave the colonizers a lot of trouble. In the Philippines, the battle with the Islamized Pilipinos (Moros) was endless. The Spaniards were relentless in waging wars with these "savage, heathens with krisses!" Finally after three hundred years of failure, the Spanish conquistadores had to leave for the next colonizers: the Americanos. The Moros favored bladed weapons. The most prestigious were the kris, barongs & kampilans. These bladed weapons were used for combat only. Blades vary in size and weight to suit the individual warrior. Handles were made of wood like bunti which is a hardwood from a root of a particular tree. Weapons like the kris, originated in Java and spread to different islands of Madura, Bali, Sumatra and Sulawesi...probably during the Majapahit Empire. The Southern part of the Philippines which is closest to Indonesia, picked up some cultural, religious, and social exchange early on. The Moros of Southern Philippines developed the Indonesian thrusting kris into a slashing combat sword. The Moro kris became a symbol of authority amongst the Sultanates that existed then . The Moro kris is an excellent sword in group fighting due to the fact that the double edge can be used in either direction. In Indonesia, the kris developed into a mystical weapon with complex association to power, magic, and wealth . Literally hundreds of blade forms and pamor (laminations on the blade) exist today and are some of the most beautiful work of art. Beras wutah or scattered rice grains is the most common pamor which we sometimes call a random pattern. The Indoneisan kris normally does not have an edge since it is a thrusting weapon. The Moro barongs have a different development. With no obvious popular prototypes in Indonesia, it is most likely that the barong took a later transformation into a combat sword than the kris. The barongs curve edge and relatively wide blade have made it a weapon with tremendous cutting power. It is an easy sword to maneuver compared to others. Barongs are found in Zamboanga, Basilan, Sulu Islands, southern tip of Palawan and Sabah, North Borneo. It is the favorite weapon in one to one close combat amongst the Moros: Tausugs, Samals & Yakans. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest