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(kjjacademy-info@yahoo.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:13:08 -0800 (PST) From: Punong Guro Steven Dowd To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Manila Bound Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings all - Going to be in Manila from December 1 through 6. Anyone know of a FMA practitioner who would like to be interviewed for the FMAdigest and the FMA magazine please contact me privately at publisher@fmadigest.com Also for non-subscribers new issue of the FMAdigest http://www.fmadigest.com will be on the website on 15 Nov. And a new issue of the FMA magazine is out. www.arnisbalite.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:01:04 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Kessler To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] New Escrima Style!!! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Well, some fellow students (I can't take all the credit, Norm...) and I were talking about a couple of threads on this list, and we decided, hey, we know 5 angles and a few more, so we decided to declare ourselves Masters and start our own style. Please welcome: Extreme Tactical Combat Escrima, or ETC. Escrima. We wanted to call it Extreme Tactical Combat Escrima of Tejon County, or ETC ETC, but then we'd have to move and that would be terribly inconvenient. Anyway, when you're listing the deadliest, most devastating, streetwise-est, butt-kickingest deadliest fighting arts, and you run out of superlatives, just add, "etc." and you'll have said it all. ;-) JK, Exalted Grand Pooh Bah, etc. "Where ever there is an intoxicant to be discovered in antiquity, it would seem there is a possessed goat to point the way." Stuart Walton, in "Out of It, A Cultural History of Intoxication" --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Black Power Ranger" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] New Escrima Style!!! Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:05:59 +0000 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net So not to confuse...he IS joking... Norm! >From: Jonathan Kessler >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [Eskrima] New Escrima Style!!! >Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:01:04 -0800 (PST) > >Well, some fellow students (I can't take all the >credit, Norm...) and I were talking about a couple of >threads on this list, and we decided, hey, we know 5 >angles and a few more, so we decided to declare >ourselves Masters and start our own style. Please >welcome: >Extreme Tactical Combat Escrima, or ETC. Escrima. We >wanted to call it Extreme Tactical Combat Escrima of >Tejon County, or ETC ETC, but then we'd have to move >and that would be terribly inconvenient. >Anyway, when you're listing the deadliest, most >devastating, streetwise-est, butt-kickingest deadliest >fighting arts, and you run out of superlatives, just >add, "etc." and you'll have said it all. > >;-) > >JK, Exalted Grand Pooh Bah, etc. > >"Where ever there is an intoxicant to be discovered in >antiquity, it would seem there is a possessed goat to >point the way." >Stuart Walton, in "Out of It, A Cultural History of Intoxication" >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:42:33 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Kohn Subject: Re: [Eskrima] New Escrima Style!!! To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thats a great idea! Im gonna start one too! -Guro/Sifu/Rabbi Steven Eric Kohn Esq. Jonathan Kessler wrote: Well, some fellow students (I can't take all the credit, Norm...) and I were talking about a couple of threads on this list, and we decided, hey, we know 5 angles and a few more, so we decided to declare ourselves Masters and start our own style. Please welcome: Extreme Tactical Combat Escrima, or ETC. Escrima. We wanted to call it Extreme Tactical Combat Escrima of Tejon County, or ETC ETC, but then we'd have to move and that would be terribly inconvenient. Anyway, when you're listing the deadliest, most devastating, streetwise-est, butt-kickingest deadliest fighting arts, and you run out of superlatives, just add, "etc." and you'll have said it all. ;-) JK, Exalted Grand Pooh Bah, etc. "Where ever there is an intoxicant to be discovered in antiquity, it would seem there is a possessed goat to point the way." Stuart Walton, in "Out of It, A Cultural History of Intoxication" _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:09:42 -0800 (PST) From: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] New Escrima Style!!! To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I'll sign up. --- Jonathan Kessler wrote: > Well, some fellow students (I can't take all the > credit, Norm...) and I were talking about a couple > of > threads on this list, and we decided, hey, we know 5 > angles and a few more, so we decided to declare > ourselves Masters and start our own style. Please > welcome: > Extreme Tactical Combat Escrima, or ETC. Escrima. > We > wanted to call it Extreme Tactical Combat Escrima of > Tejon County, or ETC ETC, but then we'd have to move > and that would be terribly inconvenient. > Anyway, when you're listing the deadliest, most > devastating, streetwise-est, butt-kickingest > deadliest > fighting arts, and you run out of superlatives, just > add, "etc." and you'll have said it all. > > ;-) > > JK, Exalted Grand Pooh Bah, etc. > > "Where ever there is an intoxicant to be discovered > in > antiquity, it would seem there is a possessed goat > to > point the way." > Stuart Walton, in "Out of It, A Cultural History of > Intoxication" > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:34:46 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Kohn Subject: RE: [Eskrima] New Escrima Style!!! To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net and a funny joke at that! the MA community is just full of self-appointed masters. it should be noted that anybody could be a master of a style they started...and the style might suck...which makes them masters of nothing at all. -Steve Kohn Black Power Ranger wrote: So not to confuse...he IS joking... Norm! >From: Jonathan Kessler >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [Eskrima] New Escrima Style!!! >Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:01:04 -0800 (PST) > >Well, some fellow students (I can't take all the >credit, Norm...) and I were talking about a couple of >threads on this list, and we decided, hey, we know 5 >angles and a few more, so we decided to declare >ourselves Masters and start our own style. Please >welcome: >Extreme Tactical Combat Escrima, or ETC. Escrima. We >wanted to call it Extreme Tactical Combat Escrima of >Tejon County, or ETC ETC, but then we'd have to move >and that would be terribly inconvenient. >Anyway, when you're listing the deadliest, most >devastating, streetwise-est, butt-kickingest deadliest >fighting arts, and you run out of superlatives, just >add, "etc." and you'll have said it all. > >;-) > >JK, Exalted Grand Pooh Bah, etc. > >"Where ever there is an intoxicant to be discovered in >antiquity, it would seem there is a possessed goat to >point the way." >Stuart Walton, in "Out of It, A Cultural History of Intoxication" >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:48:25 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Kohn Subject: Re: [Eskrima] New Escrima Style!!! To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net all you have to do is learn a bunch of organized curriculum from a book, theorize a lot, say "we have that" when people from other styles show you cool stuff and never spar...and you too can be a "guro"! easy as pie. -steve kjjacademy-info@yahoo.com wrote: I'll sign up. --- Jonathan Kessler wrote: > Well, some fellow students (I can't take all the > credit, Norm...) and I were talking about a couple > of > threads on this list, and we decided, hey, we know 5 > angles and a few more, so we decided to declare > ourselves Masters and start our own style. Please > welcome: > Extreme Tactical Combat Escrima, or ETC. Escrima. > We > wanted to call it Extreme Tactical Combat Escrima of > Tejon County, or ETC ETC, but then we'd have to move > and that would be terribly inconvenient. > Anyway, when you're listing the deadliest, most > devastating, streetwise-est, butt-kickingest > deadliest > fighting arts, and you run out of superlatives, just > add, "etc." and you'll have said it all. > > ;-) > > JK, Exalted Grand Pooh Bah, etc. > > "Where ever there is an intoxicant to be discovered > in > antiquity, it would seem there is a possessed goat > to > point the way." > Stuart Walton, in "Out of It, A Cultural History of > Intoxication" > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] New Escrima Style!!! To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:36:14 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net It is also interesting that we see 20 or 30-something year old Masters or Guros that PROUDLY list two or three dozen instructors on their resume. Yet they have not been with any one instructor for more than a couple years. Sad, very sad. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:04:50 -0800 (PST) From: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] New Escrima Style!!! To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Yea, I've heard it all and even been accused of some of it. They just see who you associate with and then beleive the word of someone who does not even know the person in question. I started in the arts in 1973, was not consistant the whole time but had 15 years solid training in before reaching black belt. Now who do you want to refer students to, me or the 2 year black belt? I have my own Kempo sub-system, endorsed by my instructors, signed by two of them. If it's good enough for them it should be good enough for everyone. Thats where the controversy sets in. It's not good enough becuase I didn't have just 1 instructor. But the "RESULTS" that I produce great students is a fact. It's not about who spars better. Or who performs individual techniques better. The test is what system comes out on top, forget the rules and see whose students are better. Thats the real test in validating a system. My brown belts fight like black belts and thats the differance! Hope I didn't bore ya. Just some people think theres no room in the world for new systems. New systems are not really new systems. We just fix what we feel is weak. James --- Ray Terry wrote: > It is also interesting that we see 20 or > 30-something year old > Masters or Guros that PROUDLY list two or three > dozen instructors on > their resume. Yet they have not been with any one > instructor for more > than a couple years. Sad, very sad. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest