Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 03:01:51 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #411 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2000 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Load of Gollocks (Michael Koblic) 2. Brown belts (Ray Terry) 3. Re: Load of Gollocks (Ray Terry) 4. Re: New Escrima Style!!! (Steve Kohn) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Michael Koblic" To: "Eskrima digest" Cc: "Christine" Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:20:03 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Load of Gollocks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "The Moro barongs have a different development. With no obvious popular prototypes in Indonesia, it is most likely that the barong took a later transformation into a combat sword than the kris. The barongs curve edge and relatively wide blade have made it a weapon with tremendous cutting power. It is an easy sword to maneuver compared to others. Barongs are found in Zamboanga, Basilan, Sulu Islands, southern tip of Palawan and Sabah, North Borneo. It is the favorite weapon in one to one close combat amongst the Moros: Tausugs, Samals & Yakans" I am getting confused here. Is Barong the same as Parang? The pictures I have seen would suggest otherwise. What then is a gollock? I believe it to be a machete-type of implement which looks like a parang (whatever that is). The reason I am interested that the SAS seemed to take a liking to a gollock as their main bush blade, apparently after importing it from Indonesia (Borneo to be precise?). Anybody watching the recent series on the History channel "Are you tough enough (to join the SAS)" will see the hapless volunteers running around the Borneo jungle with large blades strapped to their waist. So far none of these blades have been exposed to the camera (at least not that I have seen, I missed a few bits), but the handles look distinctly "ethnic" (as opposed the utilitarian kraton etc). Can anyone put me straight on the terminology and why this particualr blade gained the popularity as opposed to, say, a kukri? Michael Koblic Campbell River, BC --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:24:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] Brown belts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > My brown belts fight like black belts and thats the differance! Not really. There isn't really much diff between a 1st Dan and a brown belt. Now if most of your green belts are fighting like black belts, that might impress someone. :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Load of Gollocks To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:38:09 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > I am getting confused here. Is Barong the same as Parang? The pictures I > have seen would suggest otherwise. What then is a gollock? I believe it to > be a machete-type of implement which looks like a parang (whatever that is). A golok blade is not leaf shaped like that of the barong. The golok is more like a straight bladed machette. See goloks at http://kriscutlery.com/sandata/Philippine/index.html See barongs at http://www.martialartsresource.com/filipino/sword.htm Blades 3, 4 and 5 in the top picture are barongs. Not sure what a parang is. ??? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:42:36 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Kohn Subject: Re: [Eskrima] New Escrima Style!!! To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Very true Ray. Those folks (not all of them of course) are the guys that like to catalog as many techniques as possible yet have little or no conceptual foundation to support their techniques. And, for the record, there are many legitimate master level practitioners out there, I just think that the vast majority of them are B.S. Regards, Steve Ray Terry wrote: It is also interesting that we see 20 or 30-something year old Masters or Guros that PROUDLY list two or three dozen instructors on their resume. Yet they have not been with any one instructor for more than a couple years. Sad, very sad. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest