Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 16:29:03 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #412 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2000 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: New Escrima Style!!! (Steve Kohn) 2. New Eskrima Style (Michael Koblic) 3. Re: New Escrima Style (Buz Grover) 4. greetings from the philippines (isagani abon) 5. Dit da jow recipe (petebmc@optonline.net) 6. Re:gollocks - load of (Richard Killlick) 7. Load of gollocks (Michael Koblic) 8. load of golloks (J. Richard Metcalfe) 9. golok vs parang (federicomalibago@earthlink.net) 10. Research (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:05:38 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Kohn Subject: Re: [Eskrima] New Escrima Style!!! To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net James, Of course theres room in the world for new systems. Some people like the museum and some like the lab. Which is to say, some people are preservationists and others are researchers. Preservationists are content to practice their art as the founder of the system did it. As I've said in previous posts, the founder of the sytem is the artist and his students are practitioners of the founders art. They are not artists until they bring something of their own to the table...however large or small. Researchers on the other hand are more likely to advance an art by investigating new variations on old, universal concepts. This, to me, is the soul of all art. While there's not much new under the sun, new things can and should be brought to every art if it is to advance. We are all unique beings and can all make valid contributions to what we practice. If a guy studies DaVinci and only paints the Mona Lisa over and over, I don't think he's ready to call himself an artist yet. If he takes the concepts DaVinci developed and they manifest themselves in his work, that is the beginning of his life as an artist...at least in my opinion. Regards, Steve Kohn kjjacademy-info@yahoo.com wrote: Yea, I've heard it all and even been accused of some of it. They just see who you associate with and then beleive the word of someone who does not even know the person in question. I started in the arts in 1973, was not consistant the whole time but had 15 years solid training in before reaching black belt. Now who do you want to refer students to, me or the 2 year black belt? I have my own Kempo sub-system, endorsed by my instructors, signed by two of them. If it's good enough for them it should be good enough for everyone. Thats where the controversy sets in. It's not good enough becuase I didn't have just 1 instructor. But the "RESULTS" that I produce great students is a fact. It's not about who spars better. Or who performs individual techniques better. The test is what system comes out on top, forget the rules and see whose students are better. Thats the real test in validating a system. My brown belts fight like black belts and thats the differance! Hope I didn't bore ya. Just some people think theres no room in the world for new systems. New systems are not really new systems. We just fix what we feel is weak. James --- Ray Terry wrote: > It is also interesting that we see 20 or > 30-something year old > Masters or Guros that PROUDLY list two or three > dozen instructors on > their resume. Yet they have not been with any one > instructor for more > than a couple years. Sad, very sad. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Michael Koblic" To: "Eskrima digest" Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:53:11 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] New Eskrima Style Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "Well, some fellow students (I can't take all the credit, Norm...) and I were talking about a couple of threads on this list, and we decided, hey, we know 5 angles and a few more, so we decided to declare ourselves Masters and start our own style." There is more than 5 angles? Wow! Michael Koblic Campbell River, BC --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 23:27:29 -0500 From: Buz Grover To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: New Escrima Style Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net This thread is so inspiring I've decided to form Ballistic Eskrima Tactical Combat Holistic Aerobic Massive Amazing Martial Art. For the low introductory price of $500.00 you too can become a BETCHA MAMA practitioner. . . . Send before midnight tonight. Regards, Buz Grover --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 04:15:17 -0800 (PST) From: isagani abon To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net, combatpamuok2@yahoo.com, escrima_arnis@topica.com Subject: [Eskrima] greetings from the philippines Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings to All Martial Artist, Punong Gurop Henry E. Espera , Founder/Head Master Instructor of Rapido Realismo Martial Arts in Cavite and Manila, Philippines are now accepting interested individual (local or Foreigner) to train with him either in a private one on one or private group training here. We are inviting those who want to learn, discover, train, and teach this Martial Arts system. Punong Guro Henry Espera. Has accepting prospective student and future Guro of the Arts, he open his Arts to anyone who wanted to learn and plan to initiate a series of CERTIFICATION COURSES on a monthly basis to those interested person that are being taught through traditional private classes, one on one or group with limited number of participant ( 5 ) will be accepted to ensures the training will be intense and high quality. These courses are geared toward educating, training and certifying adherents who will have the opportunity to represent and teach the Rapido Realismo. These individuals have the right and will also set the standards for the next generation of Rapido Realismo Warriors and Guardian. The Apprentice and Basic Instructor candidate Course certificate will be issued upon successful completion of the course and the exam. All instructors possessing this certification will be of the highest quality and will be given the right to represent and teach this Combat Arts. Currently, we are selecting applicants, forming classes and scheduling seminars and form the Training Group Program to those who want to initiate or form his own Rapido Realismo Training Group. We are Recruiting interested individuals who wanted to learn and have his own training group and serve as Group Leader ( a step for Instructorship or to attain a new level of ranks) We invite you and your group to participate. All courses will be in Private instruction format and will be held here in Cavite or Manila ( open air backyard or park training), Philippines throughout the year . At the end of each Private training, participants included in the Instructor Candidate Course will have their completed hours entered into our records. Once completing the required training period, participants would be eligible to take the evaluation and examination. Upon successfully passing the rigorous training and examination, graduates will be issued a Apprentice or Basic Instructorship Certificate based on the course completed. In addition to private format training we are offering seminar ( to this date are only available to Philippines residence and instructors ) classes taught by Punong Guro Henry E. Espera. Instructor certification is available through this method as well. Examination requirements and renewal requirements will be the same. A personal background check are needed to ensures the reputation of the group are in good standing, we are requiring you to send a Application Letter and Formal Application form or Resume. If you are interested, please contact us: Guro Isagani Abon Combatpamuok2@yahoo.com www.angelfire.com/art2/rapidorealismo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 07:29:15 -0500 From: petebmc@optonline.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Dit da jow recipe Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net a while back someone asked me for a recipe =. I misplace both the recipe and the email address. found recipe lost address Pete --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Richard Killlick" To: Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 17:26:06 -0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Re:gollocks - load of Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Michael The British army issue "gollocks" are to this day crap. It was also very much the case when I was in the army in eighties. Most of us gave them back and brought a local one which were always a lot cheaper and a lot better (don't know why). The SAS and the British army as you know has a long history in Indonesia/Borneo and Malaya etc and I guarantee that most buy local. "Can anyone put me straight on the terminology and why this particular blade > gained the popularity as opposed to, say, a kukri?" When I was in the army the kukri was seen as a good camp fire chopper but it was stressed (at least to us) you needed a longer blade for jungle life. Plus the Ghurkhas would not lead them out, making up stories that the blade had to taste blood etc if it was unsheathed, which was a pain. A friend of mine went to Belize and picked up a local rip off of Johnny Rambo's blade from first blood, except it was a little longer. The SAS on TV thing is getting a little much these days, I was training on Pen Ye Fan the other week and it was like a motorway. So much for secret operations. Regards Richard Killick > Message: 1 > From: "Michael Koblic" > To: "Eskrima digest" > Cc: "Christine" > Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:20:03 -0800 > Subject: [Eskrima] Load of Gollocks > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > "The Moro barongs have a different development. With no obvious > popular prototypes in Indonesia, it is most likely that the barong took > a later transformation into a combat sword than the kris. The barongs > curve edge and relatively wide blade have made it a weapon with > tremendous cutting power. It is an easy sword to maneuver compared to > others. Barongs are found in Zamboanga, Basilan, Sulu Islands, southern > tip of Palawan and Sabah, North Borneo. It is the favorite weapon in one > to one close combat amongst the Moros: Tausugs, Samals & Yakans" > > I am getting confused here. Is Barong the same as Parang? The pictures I > have seen would suggest otherwise. What then is a gollock? I believe it to > be a machete-type of implement which looks like a parang (whatever that > is). > The reason I am interested that the SAS seemed to take a liking to a > gollock > as their main bush blade, apparently after importing it from Indonesia > (Borneo to be precise?). Anybody watching the recent series on the History > channel "Are you tough enough (to join the SAS)" will see the hapless > volunteers running around the Borneo jungle with large blades strapped to > their waist. So far none of these blades have been exposed to the camera > (at > least not that I have seen, I missed a few bits), but the handles look > distinctly "ethnic" (as opposed the utilitarian kraton etc). > > Can anyone put me straight on the terminology and why this particualr > blade > gained the popularity as opposed to, say, a kukri? > > Michael Koblic > Campbell River, BC --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Michael Koblic" To: "Eskrima digest" Cc: "Christine" Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 11:54:50 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Load of gollocks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thanks for putting me straight, Ray. I managed to put in a little bit of work on this and found an excellent work on parangs, goloks and kukris here: http://outdoors-magazine.com/s_article.php?id_article=80 Michael Koblic Campbell River, BC --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 13:27:29 -0800 From: "J. Richard Metcalfe" To: Eskrima digest Subject: [Eskrima] load of golloks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net For all those interested, check out www.valiantco.com Many examples of SE asian weapons including Golloks, Parangs and Barongs and many more from all over SE asia. - J. Richard Metcalfe --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:42:05 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: federicomalibago@earthlink.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] golok vs parang Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Both are generic Malay terms, kinda like the term bolo or itak in PI. Golok is generic for farming/utility blades, parang is for combat swords (if I remember correctly). Then again, I dont really know much about non-PI blades. The guys over on www.vikingsword.com/ethsword would probably be able to give you more precise information. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 17:28:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] Research Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Researchers on the other hand are more likely to advance an art by > investigating new variations on old, universal concepts. If and only if the researcher invests the requisite years necessary to obtain a firm grounding in the first place. All too often we see people that spent a year here and a year there, can't fight worth a lick, but still feel they should be creating something new instead of learning something that works. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest