Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:07:05 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #418 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2000 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Gun rights (Patrick Davies) 2. Re: Gun rights (Jonathan Broster) 3. GUN BAN -- AND SORTS! (Magtutudlo) 4. Moving on (Ray Terry) 5. Adopt a sniper (Ray Terry) 6. Re: Adopt a sniper (Andrew Maddox) 7. Re: Moving on (Steve Kohn) 8. Filipino Blade clinic (Greg Hansen) 9. Re: Adopt a sniper (Ray Terry) 10. RE: Moving on (Jared Dame) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:45:08 -0000 From: "Patrick Davies" To: Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Gun rights Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ray Terry: The move to gun control is the slippery slope. As next down the slope is knife control. Then ballbat control. Then.?.?. well, the strangest thing in the uk is that despite the number of ball bats sold - quite a large number im told - you never ever see anyone in the parks playing with them! This would infer that cultural diversity is a mitigating factor. You cannot simply transpose arguments in the uk and justify them in another culture. And vica versa ..... Ray Terry: Check your history. Why did your government pass strict gun control laws in the first place? Do deter crime? No, that was not the reason. Follow the bouncing ball, you may be surprised. Henry VII in 1487 banned private armies. That was the beginning of it ; ) it was actually - im serious. With our interest in the fma we hear historians tell us that occupying forces would ban the practice of indigenous methods of fighting as a form of control. People being killed and in particular school children put a big dent in the image being portrayed of a sophisticated society and so the state will look to deal with that in order to maintain the image and therefore keep the population relatively content. Since most people don't have access to guns it wasn't a huge deal. We are subjects to the crown after all. What is right for the US is for the people of the US to decide. What is right for the UK is for the people of the UK to decide. Two different countries with different cultures. Looking at UK issues through US eyes won't solve anything. Its like a karate guy trying to fight a man with a stick with his rear punch that always won him karate competitions. It is a different perspective - makes life richer. iPat Davies --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:51:09 +0000 From: "Jonathan Broster" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Gun rights Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi I am British and consider myself reasonable and liberal. I do not wish to live in a violent society, where shootings and stabbings are common place, however I feel that knife and gun control are counter productive. Why? Because criminals, by their very nature (ie they do not obey the law) often carry weapons. Control of said weapons but the government means that criminals have a fair degree of certainty that their victims (most of whom do obey the law) will be unarmed. Yes, I would rather face an unarmed assailant than an armed one. But by the very fact that he has chosen to assail people he has shown his total contempt for the law and my rights; is he therefore likely to care that he is not allowed to carry a knife? And where will controls end? No axes? No kitchen knives? No cricket bats? Why can't we have draconian punishment for those who would inflict misery on others? ie life in prison if you attempt or threaten the use of deadly force. There, all the weapons control you need in 1 sentence. Jon "There's nothing more dangerous than a blunt knife!" http://www.pecahan.net > >Message: 2 >From: "Julian Gilmour" >I’m English and living in England, and while I am not narrow-minded enough >to be completely anti-gun, in all situations, I do have great reservations >on the subject. > >Firstly, and I may well have misunderstood this point, why is a move from >guns to knives considered a slippery slope? > >Surely, (if I can call you that) violent criminals with guns moving to >bigger guns, grenades, bazookas, rocket launchers, tanks, helicopter >gunships, fighter jets and thermonuclear devices would be a slippery slope. >i.e that would mean a step in the wrong direction. > >If I think about my own perspective on my own personal safety, an unarmed >criminal would be my choice if I had to meet one in a violent situation. >Next up the scale would be a knife wielder. Just when my self defence skills >are getting to a point where I may not be in too much of a massive amount of >danger from knife wielders (and by that I mean mainly awareness, NOT >unassailable knife defence skills), then the escalating gun situation over >here puts me in a more dangerous situation again. > >It may be simplistic to you out there but, to me, the more guns on the >streets, the more dangerous my walk home at night. A HUGE amount of Brits >think it is that simple. And that’s why I have huge reservations about guns. > >A little of the same logic goes towards my view on knives. A violent >criminal without a knife would be MUCH easier to deal with. Therefore taking >their knives would minimise their danger to me. > >Obviously it would be impossible to stop people from obtaining kitchen >knives, but I must say I’m glad that any sort of knife is likely to get you >arrested in the UK. This may amaze some of you but despite being a Kali >practitioner, I am all for this. Again, it may be a potentially simplistic >view but to me, anyone with a knife is considering the possibility of >stabbing someone. Potentially fatally. > >I am not completely anti- weapons practice if controlled; I have shot a gun >and love playing with ‘non-kitchen’ knives at the gym, I just think it >should all be very heavily controlled. > >I also do not feel that this constitutes what we call the ‘nanny state’ over >here. I don’t think that Macdonalds should have a legal obligation not to >advertise junk food until after 9 at night as has been suggested over here. >I think people should learn to control what they put in their mouths >themselves. > >The difference here is that if you are endangering OTHER people with your >arms, you may need to be – dare I say it – controlled? > >The most ridiculous-sounding pro gun argument I’ve heard was a few years ago >on an American daytime talk show about gun law. A woman said “do you all >remember a few months back in (maybe) Texas when that psychologically >disturbed man with a gun started shooting in the mall, killing several and >maiming dozens? Well I had a gun in my bag and shot him dead on the spot >saving any more casualties.” > >And this is a pro-gun argument? As you Americans say: “Hellooooo!”. > >As an aside: Very few people get beaten or stabbed to death by mistake, as >can happen with firearms. Hence fewer innocent victims. > >Another aside: I definitely believe in arming the police. > >Yet another: somebody somewhere is making a **** of a lot of money by >building bigger guns, grenades, bazookas, rocket launchers, tanks, >helicopter gunships, fighter jets and thermonuclear missiles. And it's not >very nice. > >I’m sure a lot of you have very well-researched and knowledgeable answers to >all of the above. I don’t in fact expect that this post will change anyone’s >mind at all. > >I’m just trying to give you an insight on what is (I believe) quite a common >view in the UK. I definitely wouldn’t feel better/safer about myself and my >country if the population DEMANDED the right to bear arms. > >It’s only slightly less ridiculous than the right to arm bears ;) > >Peace and respect to all on the list > >Julian > ... --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Magtutudlo" To: Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:45:18 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] GUN BAN -- AND SORTS! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I think everyones ideas and thougthts are well made. Now, let discuss more on FMA... Let's move on! Bobby --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:07:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] Moving on Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > I think everyones ideas and thougthts are well made. Now, let discuss more > on FMA... Let's move on! Agreed. Time to move on. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:14:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] Adopt a sniper Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... >By Terry Friel in Baghdad >November 16, 2004 > >LOOKING for a cause with a difference? Adopt a sniper. A Texas police SWAT >officer is running a charity for frontline snipers in Iraq and Afghanistan, >supplying everything from baby wipes to body armour. > >The brainchild of Port Arthur detective and police sniper Brian Sain, Adopt >a Sniper (www.adoptasniper.org) has raised thousands of dollars in cash and >gear to supplement the kit of sharp shooters in up to 75 US combat platoons. >"Being aware that police snipers often face the same logistical problems as >their military counterparts, I assumed correctly that they were doing >without things they needed to get their jobs done," Mr Sain said. >He contacted US military sniper schools and began sending supplies, >tailored to the needs of each sniper, in January. >"People from every walk of life are helping. Once the word got out that a >group of policemen was helping the military and inviting civilian >assistance, it really took off," he said. >Some US soldiers deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan spend their own money to >supplement equipment issued by the military. >"Snipers need gear that is different than the average airman, marine, >sailor, or soldier," Mr Sain told Reuters via e-mail. "When the snipers >desperately need mission specific gear ... we just try and fill that void." >From the frontlines, snipers are writing to say thanks. >"Your package arrived ... and was met with great fanfare," said a Marine >platoon commander from Afghanistan. >"The mini binos (binoculars) will help lighten our load as we continue to >spend most of the time chasing the Taliban between 7000-10,000 feet >(2100-3050m)." >He went on to ask for supplies of protein bars, Gatorade and dry cleaning >lubricants for guns. >Sergeant John, who has been in the army for four-and-a-half years, wrote >from Mosul, Iraq's third largest city, where rebels took over some >districts this week. >"I am always trying to improve my knowledge as a sniper and improve my >lethality," he said. "I am proud to be a sniper when I see fellow snipers >in the community are back home looking out for us snipers overseas fighting >this horrible war on terrorism." >Some write of having to spend their own money buying gear, and of the lack >of quality ammunition. >"I hate asking for stuff," said one anonymous soldier seeking small >binoculars and spotting scopes, "but if you have the means, we can damn >sure put them to good use. >"Miscellaneous gear and morale type stuff is of course always welcome. My >platoon has 16 guys from all over. Some eat kimchi (Korean national dish), >some chew Redman (tobacco). >"I can't tell you how much this means to all of us." >Adopt a Sniper fills a need for civilians who want to help soldiers in >combat but don't know how to, Mr Sain said. >"Unfortunately, due to the enormity of the commitment in Iraq and >Afghanistan, many American snipers are having to spend their own money and >have their families try and procure gear and get it to them," Mr Sain said. >Supplies are sent directly to individual soldiers and Adopt a Sniper spends >as much on shipping as it does on supplies. >"We have been sending everything from baby wipes to body armour and >everything in between. Most of the items are sniper specific such as laser >rangefinders ... wind metres, rifle scopes, weapons maintenance gear, you >name it," Mr Sain said. >"www.adoptasniper.org has become a full time secondary job for us," he said. > >Reuters > >This report appears on NEWS.com.au. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 12:58:58 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Maddox To: Eskrima Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Adopt a sniper Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net On Thu, 18 Nov 2004, Ray Terry wrote: >Forwarding... > >>By Terry Friel in Baghdad >>November 16, 2004 >> >>LOOKING for a cause with a difference? Adopt a sniper. A Texas police SWAT >>officer is running a charity for frontline snipers in Iraq and Afghanistan, >>supplying everything from baby wipes to body armour. Now, this, from the listowner no less, just after agreeing that we should move on from the "guns, etc." discussion, has exactly *what* relevance to FMA? Just curious, y'know. As a former Marine, I have certain viewpoints about the problems addressed in this article, but I really don't think this list is the right place to discuss them. Please lead by example, Mr. Terry. SF, afm -- Andrew Maddox, madsox squiggle radix point net DC-area martial artist? Check us out and join us at http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/DCMartialArts/ --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:54:13 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Kohn Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Moving on To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Good idea. Seen any new angles lately?! -Steve Kohn Ray Terry wrote: > I think everyones ideas and thougthts are well made. Now, let discuss more > on FMA... Let's move on! Agreed. Time to move on. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! – Get yours free! --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:35:38 -0800 (PST) From: Greg Hansen To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Filipino Blade clinic Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Is anyone going to the blade clinic this Saturday the 20th? It is in San Jose with Cecil Quirino, at Suri Jason Inay's school. I think the topic is blades of the northern phillipines. greg --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! – Get yours free! --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Adopt a sniper To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:29:23 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Just curious, y'know. As a former Marine, I have certain viewpoints about > the problems addressed in this article, but I really don't think this list > is the right place to discuss them. Sorry. It wasn't submitted for discussion. It was submitted for your consideration and possible action. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Moving on Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:02:37 -0700 From: "Jared Dame" To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net For anyone in the Colorado area Guro Dan will be conducting a seminar, this typically will work around FMA/JeetKunedo/Jujitsu. Worth the money and time to attend and learn from a great teacher! See you there. Jared ****** Guro Dan Inosanto Seminar - January 2005 - Colorado $150.00 Guro Dan Inosanto Seminar - January 2005 - Colorado Click to enlarge Guro Dan Inosanto Seminar January 8 & 9, 2005 Cost: 1 Day $85.00 (pre-registered by Dec. 15, 2004) 2 Days $150.00 (pre-registered by Dec. 15, 2004) 1 Day $95.00 (after Dec. 15, 2004) 2 Days $160.00 (after Dec. 15, 2004) Time: 10 am - 4 pm Location: Small Gatherings 9110 West 58th Street Arvada, CO 80002 Phone: Inosanto Academy: 310-578-7773 Inosanto Fax: 310-578-7477 Blade Martial Arts: 303-829-1844 Flyer: Download The Flyer Here Jared Dame NextView Systems Integration Team 303-684-4713 760-608-2876 jdame@digitalglobe.com jared.dame@baesystems.com -----Original Message----- From: Steve Kohn [mailto:musilat2@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 11:54 AM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Moving on Good idea. Seen any new angles lately?! -Steve Kohn Ray Terry wrote: > I think everyones ideas and thougthts are well made. Now, let discuss more > on FMA... Let's move on! Agreed. Time to move on. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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