Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 03:02:27 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #421 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Re: Eskrima for Self Defense (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Kaliman33@aol.com Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:35:22 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Panantukan DVD Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, My name is Marc halleck, i am an Instructor under Guro Inosanto, Guro Ron Balicki and Guro Rick faye, I have just finished filming 2 DVD's on Panantukan - Silat, they should be avalible in a week or two, very informative and combative, hope you like them, when they are ready i will let you know Marc Halleck NSA Martial Arts www.nsama.com www.silatcombatives.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:29:08 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hamilton To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Trojan on webpage Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I visited this page and my firewall went nuts. Letting you all know in case it wasn't a fluke for me. http://www.warriorswaytx.com/modules.php?name=Warriors&page=videos.htm Respects -Brian "Julian, Check out the link below for a great Panantukan video. Sorry not an mpeg, but great material. Guro Harley Elmore is taping the next in the Lacoste/Inosanto Kali series this weekend on Double Stick. http://www.warriorswaytx.com/modules.php?name=Warriors&page=videos.htm Aaron Alejandro www.execselfdefense.com" --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! – Try it today! --__--__-- Message: 3 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Trojan on webpage Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:41:57 -0700 From: "Jared Dame" To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Mine too. Jared Dame NextView Systems Integration Team 303-684-4713 760-608-2876 jdame@digitalglobe.com jared.dame@baesystems.com -----Original Message----- From: Brian Hamilton [mailto:brian_s_hamilton@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 4:29 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Trojan on webpage I visited this page and my firewall went nuts. Letting you all know in case it wasn't a fluke for me. http://www.warriorswaytx.com/modules.php?name=Warriors&page=videos.htm Respects -Brian "Julian, Check out the link below for a great Panantukan video. Sorry not an mpeg, but great material. Guro Harley Elmore is taping the next in the Lacoste/Inosanto Kali series this weekend on Double Stick. http://www.warriorswaytx.com/modules.php?name=Warriors&page=videos.htm Aaron Alejandro www.execselfdefense.com" --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:49:33 -0800 (PST) From: Bart Hubbard To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: ED 11.420 - Eskrima for Self Defense (DG Youpa) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Dan, If the theory is sound and the drill works toward your internalization of the theory, then that is good. The first two things I would do are make sure your drills are backed by theory and make sure that the driving theory is sound. In my questioning I would focus my search around range, contact, cooperation, and random application. In the range area specifically check to see if you are close enough to hit your opponent. In the contact arena check to make sure that you actually are experiencing contact with the stick both as the giver and as the receiver when working with a partner. In cooperation, see how much of what you are being taught will only work on a cooperative opponent, for instance someone who doesn't check or block your stick. Any combination beyond two counts is worthless in most situations against an un-cooperative opponent. There are many other things you could come up with to check, but I think those at least will give you a good feel to what you're doing. The next area to explore would be random application. If you are only doing preset drills then you are not getting the full deal. You MUST have random practice in order to be able to apply what you are training in real life. Given that this is a safety issue the best solution is to use lighter sticks, padded equipment, or armor of some sort. I'm a big proponent of full contact stick sparring with gear and without. Regardless of the rules it gives you an environment in which to check those things even if only in a limited fashion. If you use it as a training tool and are diligent with your mind in training, then you can get a lot out of it for real world self defense applications. If by questioning in the fashion I've suggested, you find that your training is coming up short, I would not really suggest cross training. My first inclination is to try to find someone in your school of like mind who would like to step up the training with padded sticks or with gear. If that is not an option or if it turns out not to bear fruit then I would say that you should just give up the FMA that you're doing and seek out FMA that does actually train for realistic self defense. There is a lot of FMA out there, more that masquerades as legit FMA than actually is legit. But you can find FMA that will give you that ability to deal with weapon wielding opponents successfully. ===== Be Cool. Bart Hubbard Capital Doce Pares www.capitaldocepares.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Johnaleen" To: Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:09:52 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Eskrima for Self Defense VS Self Defense and Awareness Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Dan Wrote: Given that I'm primarily interested in self/family defense (I also really enjoy the training), and even though it's not likely, I could find myself in a violent situation tomorrow, should I somehow supplement my training? And should I beware of possible misconceptions that I may have acquired through my limited experience with eskrima? I've always been confident in my ability to handle most situations but, then again, nobody has ever attacked me with a weapon. So what else should I be doing to better prepare myself for survival in a (unlikely) violent encounter? ***** Dan i teach core SDA, gun and knife defensive tactics. This is much different from the list of Traditional Reality based martial arts and Traditional long term martial arts that i am trained in and teach. However when i have a New student in any of my Marital arts classes ( even the core Reality based ones like JKD or FMA) I make sure they understand that i am not teaching them SDA and i always suggest they take a reality based SDA class frist and that the training in Reality based long term arts should be to keep your techniques and training. Furthermore, I make sure I find out what my students want to train for and what there primary goal is, and when i teach Martial arts (even the really street ready combat Eskrima that my father in law left me.) Also I make sure I teach the difference between traditional and what is best used in the streets against a weapon to be sure i dont get anyone killed by teaching them something that they might use in the streets. Self defense is about Avoidance, De-Escalation, Stopping Aggression, Saving your life, and getting the hell out ASAP. However that's not what martial arts is about, though we tend to sell the arts as self defense in this country and its just not the case. Because of this many get killed on the streets because they were trained in an art that had no real save your life on the streets trainning to it. And in many cases its out and out dangerous to learn certain techniques for full contact reality based save your life SDA against a knife or a gun. Then you add the variables in with children, women, handicapped and the elderly and if your having to save them at the same time your saving yourself then you should seriously work towards taking some core SDA classes. Not only you but, but your family and together as a family unit if possible. Below are a number of articles that I wrote for Black belt Magazines SDFW. 1) The frist one has to do with children and having to protect and save them at the same time. http://www.blackbeltmag.com/document_display.cfm?section_id=21&document_id=1 13 2) The next is on scenario training, that should be done for all instances of Violence you might face when your training your SDA. This Article only covers one instance of violence and its the highest committed instance and at the highest rate of time its committed. http://www.blackbeltmag.com/document_display.cfm?section_id=21&document_id=7 1 3) This last article Details what a Self defense Corse should entail, regardless of what your gender is this list is appropriate for all civilians out there who are training to protect themselves or there famleys. http://www.blackbeltmag.com/document_display.cfm?section_id=21&document_id=7 2 NOTE: the pictures on these articles were not my choice and i was not given a choice when they were published. If i had then they would not have been the ones i would have taken nor used. Below are my 11 rules for what a well rounded SDA Corse should include and is also listed at the end of the above article that I did for blackbelt. GENERAL SELF-DEFENSE AND AWARENESS COURSE OUTLINE 1. Prevention: How to avoid dangerous situations and environments, detailing the instances of violent crime we face through education, awareness reinforcement and case-documented examples. 2. Awareness Education: Discussion of who is at the most risk from each instance of violent crime covered in the course outline, including a breakdown of when and where each instance of violent crime is most likely to take place, as well as crime-specific perpetrator profiles. 3. Avoidance: Learn how to reduce the risks of being a victim of each instance of violent crime by assessing personal risk factors and altering lifestyle, body language, etc. 4. De-Escalation: Verbal tactics for instances of violent crime when a physical attack is not imminent and when the situation can possibly be avoided before physical contact takes place. 5. Physical Self-Defense Tactics: Simple techniques to stop physical aggression, how to create distance to stop incoming contact, analysis damage caused by various techniques, and how to implement escape tactics. 6. Legality: Covers legal issues regarding self-defense options during and after an attack, including victim's and perpetrators rights. 7. Weapons Defense: Covers all defensive tactics associated with crimes committed with a weapon and laws pertaining to the use of a weapon for self-defense. 8. Available self-defense products: A review of the different self-defense products, including usage instruction, reality-based testing, safety review and legal briefing pertaining to each product. 9. Create Distance and Escape: Learn how to get away, how to create distance and then what to do once you have done so. 10.Reality-Scenario Training: Test scenarios should cover at least four different degrees of the attack's avoidance, de-escalation, stopping the aggression and escape. 11.Emergency First-Aid Education: Education regarding injuries and wounds to a survivor, including self-treatment options and emergency considerations for different settings and circumstances. I hope this is what your looking for and that some of these articles help you find what you need to gain your training objectives. Ms J.... Ms. Johnaleen Castro CEO/FATE Organization www.fate-organization.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Eskrima for Self Defense To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:30:08 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Given that I'm primarily interested in self/family > defense (I also really enjoy the training), and even > though it's not likely, I could find myself in a > violent situation tomorrow, should I somehow > supplement my training? And should I beware of > possible misconceptions that I may have acquired > through my limited experience with eskrima? Assuming you are in the US... Run, don't walk, to your nearest NRA certified trainer and sign up for the NRA Personal Protection class. Cheap, short (several hours), discusses legal aspects of self-defense... in short one of the best weekends you'll ever spend. Contact the NRA for a certified trainer or TC in your town or locale. Ray "Certified NRA Trainer and TC" Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest