Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:30:06 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #426 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Re: New String...Pocket Knives (Joe Talmadge) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Ken Grubb" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Baseball bats Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:51:36 -0800 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I've discovered when working with weapons of unequal length, there is a tendency for the person with the longer weapon to misjudge their distance advantage and allow the person with the shorter weapon in too close. Given the relatively slow speed of a bat, particularly in the hands of an untrained person, seems it might be wise to remain out at long range and attempt baiting the bat wielder into swinging. Once they commit to a swing, it's going to be difficult to alter that momentum. Time them and close as the bat passes. As you indicated, once there a world of options opens up. Ken Grubb Bellevue, WA --------------------------------- "Cum catapultae proscribeantur tum soli proscripti catapultas habeant." -----Original Message----- From: Julian Gilmour [mailto:julian_gilmour@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 16:01 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Baseball bats Hi all Regarding the baseball bat issue, it should have been avoidable altogether, however if we are talking about physical responses alone… If it were impossible to just get away I would use the strategy that Guru Inosanto described at a seminar I attended last year (a strategy he had used personally). It basically required being quick enough to get inside the swing and do a ‘snake’ disarm. He did however say he broke a rib in doing so, but it’s better than a broken cranium. If you miss the swing (and it misses you!) I suspect closing immediately following it, and this would leave plenty of options once attached and up close and personal. I also suspect an untrained person at this point may continue to grasp the bat partially trapping themselves. If I had a bat and had to use it to defend myself – I would probably go for the legs as I feel it would be more difficult to evade, is unlikely to be fatal, and people with broken ribs can still run after you ;) If anyone suggested the outlawing of baseball bats at this point, I would say the following: Suggesting the outlawing of bats, guns, knives, weapons in general or otherwise disarming Americans in the USA seems to me to be unworkeable, impossible, unwise and pointless at best. I would say to anyone suggesting this that either I strongly disagree with them or I have severely misunderstood their post. I say this because IMHO I think occasionally people’s posts are entirely misunderstood on this forum ;) Peace and respect to all on the list Julian --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Michael Koblic" To: "Eskrima digest" Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:18:22 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Baseball and other batty issues Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Mr. James Keating has an excellent video out on the subject of disarming people armed with amongst other things baseball bats. I believe it is called "Unarmed and dangerous". Michael Koblic Campbell River, BC --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 03:03:17 -0800 (PST) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] opening a school To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Bobby, I suppose that you're ready to open your school when you have the guts to start one :-). Seriously, it is a big risk, but if your friend feels that he can serve the community, martial arts and non-martial arts alike, then why not? Having a black belt or the teacher's permission aren't the only things necessary, though. For instance, can you actually teach, that is take somebody through the material you're supposed to teach and make sure that the person actually understands what you're trying to get across as contrasted to merely repeating what you just showed or did? Memorization is vital to learning the martial arts, but so are learning the underlying principles as well as being creative in applications. Can you meet the needs of those you accept as students? Some might be there to really learn to fight; some will want to learn more about the cultural expression but not so much about fighting; some will enroll in order to become fitter and healthier; etc., etc. I understand that in the US, to open a school requires a certain amount of capital as well in order to pay for the various fees and licenses as well as the rent and insurance. Whether or not you're connected to any well-known FMA organization or endorsed by such shouldn't be too much of a problem as long as you acknowledge the source of your training, you're honest about what you know and don't know, and you're courteous to everyone, including the ones you don't like. Word gets around about your character and your school after a while. Of course, meeting local practitioners for courtesy's sake is a very good idea :-) you make friends that way. Of course there is the possibility that someone with something to prove will show up at your door demanding what right you have to open your school in the area. Your people skills will come in very handy here, as well as your knowledge of the local laws and of course being friends with the local LEOs helps :-) There's a whole lot more to this actually than this post can cover for now :-) hopefully the other guys on the list will also chime in. Hope that this helps your friend, Bot --- Magtutudlo wrote: > This was forwarded to me by a friend of mine. > Because I mentioned to him > that I'm planning to apply for a business license - > MA related. > > > > dear folks > > When is the right time to open up your own martial > > arts school. Some folks start soon after they earn > > their black belt, and some folks start one when > their > > teacher says they can. So, my question is more of a > > personal one. When does a person "know" when their > > ready to serve the community as a martial arts > > instructor? I hope I get some answers from most of > you > > regular posting members. > > > > n I am also planning to open a school here in > St. Augustine, FL and > was wondering if for example you're not a member of > a certain organization > or something like endorsed by a known Guro in FMA > (or other related FMA). > Would there be problems. I know for sure that they > will ask you who you've > been trained or where di you get the FMA? Any ideas? > > n Also, are there any FMA schools here in St. > Augustine, FL (within > the radius) because I haven't seen anyone that's > teaching FMA because i'd > like to meet them for courtesy sakes. Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 4 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: "Andrew Evans" Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:00:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Eskrima] Bob Orlando Seminar in Topeka, Kansas Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Mr. Bob Orlando will be teaching a two-day workshop in Topeka, Kansas on Saturday, December 18 from 9am-5pm and Sunday, December 19 from 9-11:30am. The focus will be a variety of combat principles from Chinese kuntao and Dutch-Indonesian pukulan pentjak silat. Mr. Orlando is a long-time student of Dutch-Indonesian master Willem de Thouars and an accomplished instructor in this own right. In addition to writing the book "Indonesian Fighting Fundamentals," Mr. Orlando has published "Martial Arts America" and six highly acclaimed video titles. Last September's Blackbelt magazine featured an article on his Reflex Actions Drills. I would go out on a limb (pun intended) and say he is the best when it comes to leg trapping. http://www.orlandokuntao.com/ http://www.orlandokuntao.com/master_frameset.html Early bird special! The cost will be $90 for those registering by December 10th and registration is limited so that those in attendance can get more personalized training. Please contact me if you are interested in attending or would like more information. Respectfully, Andrew Evans Hokkien Martial Arts/ Martial Arts Council 785-213-1576 www.TopekaKarate.com _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:59:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] Happy Turkey Day! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Wishing all y'all out there (in the US of A) a great Thanksgiving and a very enjoyable long weekend. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Black Power Ranger" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:36:29 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] New String...Pocket Knives Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I recently purchased a spring loaded, folding pocket knife from a knife store in California. However, after talking to my friend, i found out that this knife is illegal because it is spring loaded...Even though the blade is three inches long, folding, and is legal to carry. I was wondering what the real law states and if there is any truth to my friend's statement... Norm... --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:04:14 -0800 From: "J. Richard Metcalfe" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Panantukan Clips (mpegs) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Also, I noticed several posts warning of a virus embeded in the Warriors > Way > website, I visited with the management this weekend and they have assured > us > it has been removed. All safe. > -I still got a virus warning this morning! --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] New String...Pocket Knives To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:14:57 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > I recently purchased a spring loaded, folding pocket knife from a knife > store in California. > > However, after talking to my friend, i found out that this knife is illegal > because it is spring loaded...Even though the blade is three inches long, > folding, and is legal to carry. I was wondering what the real law states > and if there is any truth to my friend's statement... Spring loaded as in a switchblade or is it -simply- 'assisted opening'? A switchblade is legal in California if the blade is under 2" in length. Over that length, illegal. I believe an assisted opening knife is not considered a switchblade in California. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Black Power Ranger" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] New String...Pocket Knives Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 19:13:40 +0000 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Yeah..its probably assited opening...basically it has a little lever on the back of the knife you can push that makes the blade flip out from the handle. >From: Ray Terry >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] New String...Pocket Knives >Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:14:57 -0800 (PST) > > > I recently purchased a spring loaded, folding pocket knife from a knife > > store in California. > > > > However, after talking to my friend, i found out that this knife is >illegal > > because it is spring loaded...Even though the blade is three inches >long, > > folding, and is legal to carry. I was wondering what the real law >states > > and if there is any truth to my friend's statement... > >Spring loaded as in a switchblade or is it -simply- 'assisted opening'? > >A switchblade is legal in California if the blade is under 2" in length. >Over that length, illegal. > >I believe an assisted opening knife is not considered a switchblade in >California. > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:24:27 -0800 (PST) From: Joe Talmadge Subject: Re: [Eskrima] New String...Pocket Knives To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > because it is spring loaded...Even though the blade is three inches long, > > folding, and is legal to carry. I was wondering what the real law states > > and if there is any truth to my friend's statement... > > Spring loaded as in a switchblade or is it -simply- 'assisted opening'? > > A switchblade is legal in California if the blade is under 2" in length. > Over that length, illegal. > > I believe an assisted opening knife is not considered a switchblade in > California. That's what I believe as well. If it's the type of knife where you have to thumb open the blade a bit, and then the spring takes over the rest, that's "assisted opening". From what we all can tell, those types of knives have not been deemed switchblades. That doesn't mean that if you get arrested with one, the DA won't decide he's going to use you as the test case to try to get them declared switchblades, but they seem to be safe for now. > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest