Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 03:02:53 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #429 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2000 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Rotator cuff injuries (1@msfencing.org) 2. RE: Rotator cuff injuries (1@msfencing.org) 3. Re: Rotator cuff injuries (WoodyTX) 4. Re: Rotator cuff injuries (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: <1@msfencing.org> To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Rotator cuff injuries Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 18:53:45 -0600 Organization: 1@msfencing.org Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net If by "impairment" you are meaning "impingement", as in "Nerve Impingement" I have had that several times in my right shoulder and it's quiet painful. Luckily my wife is a physical therapist and has helped heal me up after numerous injuries. Blessings, Rez Johnson "Standing guard on old, forgotten roads, that no one travels anymore." THE FENCING MASTER by Arturo Perez Rez Johnson, M d'A Headmaster: Mississippi Academy of Arms (Mississippi Fencing Academy) President: United States Traditional Fencing Association Certified Fencing Instructor: (USTFA, TFI, AAI, USFCA) Certified Fencing Master Apprentice: (USTFA, USFCA) Teaching Classical Fencing and Historical Swordsmanship since 1980 Modern Sport Fencing Coach 1980 - 2002 Mississippi Academy of Arms P.O. Box 955 Pelahatchie, MS 39145-0955 E-Mail: 1@MSFencing.org Academy Website: http://MSFencing.org USTFA Website: http://traditionalfencing.org "Eala Earendel engla beorhtast ofer middangeard monnum sended." Crist of Cynewulf > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Terry [mailto:rterry@idiom.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 7:26 PM > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Rotator cuff injuries > > > All those with rotator cuff injuries, raise your hands (if > you still > > can!) > > > > Would you care to share your experience of do's, don't and > experiences > > with medical v. surgical treatment, rehab regimes etc.? > > At one month from the age of 53 I've been cut on three times > for rotator cuff tears. The first time was the old fashioned > way, where the lateral head of the deltoid is detached and > they go in that way. The last two they used very small > incisions and did not have to detach nuttin. Much shorter > recovery the new way. PT still required. Back to around > normal in about five months. > > As I understand it, most people that think they have a tear > actually have shoulder impairment. An MRI should be able to > tell if you actually have a tear vs. shoulder impairment. > Impairment can frequently be created with NSAIDs, rest, PT > and perhaps some shots into the shoulder. > > After three trips to the hospital, I tend to take it easy on > my shoulders these days in throwing and being thrown and in > some lifts (as in weight lifting), but I don't have to take > it easy for your basic eskrima stick techniques. > > As part of my rotator cuff surgeries an acromioplasty (sp???) > was also performed. This opens up the shoulder joint to > reduce the probability of impairment occurring later on. > > YMMV > > Good luck! > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 2 From: <1@msfencing.org> To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Rotator cuff injuries Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:00:13 -0600 Organization: 1@msfencing.org Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net According to my wife (physical therapist) smaller tears usually heal up by themselves, but leave scar tissue. Each successive scaring reduces flexibility and strength and can lead to imbalances. Larger tears require surgery. Blessings, Rez Johnson "Standing guard on old, forgotten roads, that no one travels anymore." THE FENCING MASTER by Arturo Perez Rez Johnson, M d'A Headmaster: Mississippi Academy of Arms (Mississippi Fencing Academy) President: United States Traditional Fencing Association Certified Fencing Instructor: (USTFA, TFI, AAI, USFCA) Certified Fencing Master Apprentice: (USTFA, USFCA) Teaching Classical Fencing and Historical Swordsmanship since 1980 Modern Sport Fencing Coach 1980 - 2002 Mississippi Academy of Arms P.O. Box 955 Pelahatchie, MS 39145-0955 E-Mail: 1@MSFencing.org Academy Website: http://MSFencing.org USTFA Website: http://traditionalfencing.org "Eala Earendel engla beorhtast ofer middangeard monnum sended." Crist of Cynewulf > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Terry [mailto:rterry@idiom.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 11:31 AM > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Rotator cuff injuries > > > The rotator cuff isn't a cuff, per se. It's four muscles > that rotate > > the upper arm in the socket. Shoulder locks and chicken wing > > ("Americana") locks will stress them. The best thing you can do is > > find a personal trainer or physical therapist and ask them > for rotator > > cuff-specific exercises. > > There is also a good book out there, something like Seven > Minute Shoulder Exercises. > > Crafty, I think you have mentioned that book before. > Remember the title? > > Rehab is required after surgery, these exercises will help > that rehab. > But if you actually have a tear, PT or drugs or acupuncture > will not 'heal' > the tear. Or so I understand... > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:05:42 -0700 From: WoodyTX To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Rotator cuff injuries Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Complete tears will not heal, as the muscle will contract. Partial tears can eventually heal, as the remaining muscle will strengthen, but scar tissue may remain and cause future complications. Of course this is Western medicine speaking. These rules may not apply in Berkeley, CA or Boulder, CO. ;-) PS: Happy Turkey Day to all the Yanks out there. WoodyTX On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:31:12 -0800 (PST), Ray Terry wrote: > Rehab is required after surgery, these exercises will help that rehab. > But if you actually have a tear, PT or drugs or acupuncture will not 'heal' > the tear. Or so I understand... > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Rotator cuff injuries To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 07:55:51 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > If by "impairment" you are meaning "impingement", .... Bingo. My bad. http://www.shouldersolutions.com/impinge.php Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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