Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 03:03:28 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #438 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2000 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Hakarac Blade Boxing (Manuel De Matos) 2. RE: Rotator cuffs (1@msfencing.org) 3. Re: Largo and Corto - "Trying to fight me like I (Marc Macyoung) 4. Re:left hand knife work (Johnaleen) 5. weak-hand knife/two knives (Jonathan Kessler) 6. VirtualBlade (jay de leon) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Manuel De Matos" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 16:13:54 +0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Hakarac Blade Boxing Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >From what i've seen and experienced this system is perhaps most suited to fight with and without a knife. It's main focus is long range with the view to defanging from the jab working in conjunction with the cross to knock-out. In boxing the jab is a set-up, sting or struck tool. But it is also the most used to defend from and gadge distance. So it is only natural that in Hakarac Blade Boxing that the knife which is specially designed for the leading hand facilitates all of the pre-requisites it requires. Applying this very same system to other arts apart from boxing requires only adding and not changing that systems already established curriculum in it's attacks, defences and counters. But yet again the cup must be empty. Cheers, Mannie de Matos --__--__-- Message: 2 From: <1@msfencing.org> To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Rotator cuffs Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:36:27 -0600 Organization: 1@msfencing.org Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Michael, My wife, who is a Physical Therapist, says it sounds like there is an impingement. She said that abduction and internal rotation is one of the tests PTs use to determine impingement. The MRI didn't show whether it was a complete tear or not? Blessings, Rez Johnson "Standing guard on old, forgotten roads, that no one travels anymore." THE FENCING MASTER by Arturo Perez Rez Johnson, M d'A Headmaster: Mississippi Academy of Arms (Mississippi Fencing Academy) President: United States Traditional Fencing Association Certified Fencing Instructor: (USTFA, TFI, AAI, USFCA) Certified Fencing Master Apprentice: (USTFA, USFCA) Teaching Classical Fencing and Historical Swordsmanship since 1980 Modern Sport Fencing Coach 1980 - 2002 Mississippi Academy of Arms P.O. Box 955 Pelahatchie, MS 39145-0955 E-Mail: 1@MSFencing.org Academy Website: http://MSFencing.org USTFA Website: http://traditionalfencing.org "Eala Earendel engla beorhtast ofer middangeard monnum sended." Crist of Cynewulf > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Koblic [mailto:mkoblic@uniserve.com] > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 8:27 PM > To: Eskrima digest > Subject: [Eskrima] Rotator cuffs > > Many thaks to all those who kindly contributed their > experiences and advice on the subject. It is perhaps only > fair that I contribute mine: > > I woke up with a pain in my left shoulder one morning which > was aggravated by abduction and internal rotation. It did not > stop me doing anything and did not interfere with sleep so I > thought I will wait it out. After four months the pain got > neither better nor worse, so I mentioned it in passing to a > friendly orthopod who advised MRI. This showed a tear in the > supraspinatus, possibly complete. > > The advice I received subsequently is this: > > 1) No steroid injections. > 2) Keep the shoulder moving. > 3) No restriction on activities (i am a bit wary of throwing > hard elbows now, though) > 4) Rotator cuff exercises. I found a set recommended by the > American College of Family Physicians on the net. There is > four of them. I find really only 3 of those useful, as the > internal rotation one I can do till the cows come home - I > suspect this is a reflection on the muscle imbalance. > 5) I was offered a surgical procedure where he would > arthroscopically clean up the underside of the acromial > process of the scapula. It was a fairly "grey" offer > (sometimes helpful, sometimes not). For the moment I declined. > > There are number of things that puzzle me: > > 1) I always thought that the supraspinatus is responsible for > the first 10 degrees or so of shoulder abduction. Jackie > Charlton (brother of Sir Bobby Charlton, a soccer player) had > a tear and had to flip his arm by pushing it with his hip to > initiate the abduction to the point where the deltoid takes > over. I don't seem to have that problem (yet?). > 2) The shoulder always feels better after exercise. If > everything is swollen, should there not be more pain rather than less? > > Michael Koblic > Campbell River, BC > > ( an 'armless sort of chap) > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Marc Macyoung" To: Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 10:21:53 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Largo and Corto - "Trying to fight me like I Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > A while back there was a discussion of range and > > timing. Marc MacYoung > > mentioned a sparring match where the other guy gave > > him an introduction to > > these concepts from a Southeast Asian perspective. > > The other guy, Mushtaq > > Ali Al Ansari, has posted his version of the event > > on his blog at: > http://tracelesswarrior.blogspot.com/2004/11/slicing-time.html Yeppers...that's what happened...especially the too cocky by half part :D M --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Johnaleen" To: Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 10:33:18 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Re:left hand knife work Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Michael Koblic Wrote:Having said that I often wondered if it would be logical to have one's knife in the weaker hand (the power being supplied by the edge, so as to speak). I guess it is a matter of dexterity rather than power. ***** If you look closely into Espada Ya Daga you will learn more about the left knife hand or the non dominant hand carrying the knife with the dominant hand holding the sword. However its the knife that is the killing tool in most instances with espada ya daga. furthermore. many times the sword is used to bate and bring in the opening for the Dagger. In espada ya daga, the knife is the dominant weapon, its just most dont get that, nor learn enough about the art or train it enough to developed the left hand knife work. ***** Michael Koblic Wrote: How many people train with *two* knives ? Is it an advantage? Does the danger of cutting oneself go up with the square of the number of cutting implements used? **** I have always trained with 2 knives, i also train my students with 2 blades, and a huge mix of weapons, including training with the left knife and the right empty handed, whip and daga, stick and daga, two sticks, a shorter stick and longer stick, and we mix them all up. when i do my Bali song work, we start out with one blade but, we always work it into 2 knives. the Bali song in the left hand is great for building up the dexterity in it. the left hand, and the knife is amazing and to be honest 90% of my knife sparring wins have come from starting with the knife in the right and then just as my opponent is comfortable with it there i do a switch on them and move it to the left and cut, slice and dice faster then they have a chance to understand the knife is no longer in the right hand. A few years back we did a Espada ya daga fundraising seminar, if you go to this page http://www.fate-organization.com/articals/martial%20arts%20training/Espada%2 0Ya%20Daga/eydfate1.html you will find some of the core concepts to espada ya daga sparring ( padded style) there. This kind of training will help you develop the left hand for knife. As far as cutting yourself, well i have been trainning both sides and all weapons mixed with sharp things and i have never cut MYSELF trainning, even flying around 2 bali songs at once. but...... thats me... And live double knife is my strong mix, and what i love the most to play with. However when i start my students out, i dont let them use live blades till they are proficient enough with the dull ones frist so they dont cut themselves. Johnaleen bows deeply.... www.fate-organization.com PS. i have just re worked the articles section of the web site and have 4 new categories on it and have added to the martial arts articles and concepts area: http://www.fate-organization.com/articals/articals.html --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 11:56:18 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Kessler To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] weak-hand knife/two knives Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Not sure I can answer directly. I used to train with a guy who taught Renaissance sword, and though he acknowledged it was not strictly "period", he encouraged his students to train with two swords (a "case of swords") to develop ambidexterity. I definitely found it very cool and useful. The other day in doing some knife flow work I found it very easy to pass the knife from one hand to the other, and saw how effective that could be. Possibly easier to some extent from doing a lot of double sword work. Nothing definitive, but certainly one perspective. JK > How many people train with *two* knives ? Is it an > advantage? Does the > danger of cutting oneself go up with the square of > the number of cutting > implements used? > > Michael Koblic > Campbell River, BC --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 13:49:57 -0800 (PST) From: jay de leon To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] VirtualBlade Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net My company has been appointed dealer for VirtualBlade, the latest and fun training aid for edged weapons drills. See http://www.virtualblade.com. If interested, email me offline or call me. Identify yourself as an ED member to get a substantial (20%) discount. Distributorships available. Thanks much. Jay de Leon jakkdawg@yahoo.com 951-894-1452 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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