Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:02:19 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #444 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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RE: sinawalitrade.com (Young Forest) 7. 11 Dec 1944 (Ray Terry) 8. re: Eskrima for Self Defense (Marc Macyoung) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 21:26:58 -0800 (PST) From: John Montes Subject: Re:[Eskrima] Left-handers win in hand-to-hand combat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I was showing my lil' cousin a few blocks, when she decided to use her left-hand, which was an extreme challenge because my counters are practiced w/ right handed strikes. Anybody have any insight on that? I know that there are some schools that teach right-hand, even if youre southpaw. After that incident (which admittedly left me perplexed), I have to say that I am in need of counsel from the wise. Always learning... Your Friend and Escrimador in training, ~John --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Mike aka Shugendo" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:31:29 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Last Chance - only 1 space left: KB training for the MArtial Athlete Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Kettlebell Training for the Martial Athlete This months workshop will focus on the strength, conditioning, and flexibility requirements of the martial athlete. Martial arts practitioners, regardless of the style(s) they practice, have similar athletic requirements in common. This workshop will address how kettlebells can be used to augment their existing training and ultimately increase their performance as a martial athlete. Training the Martial Athlete The martial athlete has a unique set of conditioning requirements. In particular, they must be strong (but not bulky), they must be supple and flexible (especially at odd angles), and they must have a high level of cardio-respiratory conditioning (without compromising their strength). In addition, their conditioning program must not interfere with the development of their martial skills or interfere with their recovery between martial workouts. The solution to this unique combination of requirements is, of course, kettlebell training. This workshop will focus on kettlebell exercises that will develop your pound-for-pound maximal strength, increase your flexibility and stability, and increase your "wind" without sacrificing your hard-earned muscle in the process. Not a martial artist? Even better! Not being a martial athlete doesn't exclude you from attending this workshop. If you are a mom or dad who wants to be able to keep up with your kids, then this workshop is just the ticket! If you are a "weekend warrior" who is finding that your performance on and off the field is starting to deteriorate, then we can get you back on track! If you are looking for a unique, exciting, and effective way to increase your energy level, decrease your waist size, and have fun doing it, then this workshop will give you the skills to do just that! Register now for the workshop! This workshop will be held at the Martial Arts Koncepts training facility in Gaithersburg, Maryland and will run from 9:00 AM until Noon. To register please contact Mike Krivka by email or phone as soon as possible (contact information listed below). Due to the large amount of information that will be presented, in addition to the hands-on attention we give each attendee, we are limiting attendance to 12 people. NOTES: - For those of you who don't already have your own kettlebells there will be several available for your use at the workshop. - If you are interested in ordering kettlebells at the workshop(from DragonDoor.com) you will be eligible for a 10% discount. Contact Mike Krivka for more information. - Sorry, but if you do not pre-register prior to the workshop date you may be turned away at the door if the workshop is at capacity. Michael A. Krivka Training Director, Martial Arts Koncepts http://www.martialartskoncepts.com Phone: 301/404-2571 --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Magtutudlo" To: Subject: [Eskrima] dekiti tirsia sarradas Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:28:23 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Mr. Villahermosa, Thanks for the reply. But differentiating the two does mean to us MAist. Ilonggos and Cebuanos share a lot of things when it comes to dialects. Here's what I think about the 2. > Your correct in saying that Dekiti means close. It is an ilongo word which closely related to the Tagalog word Dekit which means "close" or "stick or attached". Ans: Dikit in cebuano means attached not stick or stick to something. This also serves the same meaning to other Bisaya dialects. In tagalog (I know you are familiar with this), "Lapit" means to get close - also serves the same meaning to the latter. > > On the other hand Pekiti does not mean close. In ilongo it means "to close your eyes" Ans: Pekiti means closer, correct? There are sveral sentences that serves the claim that Pekiti means to close your eyes. For example, "Pekit 'yung mata mo" (Close you eyes). So, in argument - literally speaking, the words Pekiti Tersia actually means "closed eyes quarters?". That's a bit odd don't you think? > > What I see in the change in approach you metion is mixing FMA with other martial arts like Silat so I could not consider it as a pure Filipino Art. Ans: Don't you have a blended MA in Dekiti? Just a thought. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:13:38 -0800 (PST) From: Erol Weber To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Cc: apextraining@msn.com Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Sinawali Trade.com Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Mac, I have ordered from SinawaliTrade.com, and subsequently recommended their products to numerous friends and training partners in the midwest. Every order has been promptly processed and shipped, and without a doubt, every product has exceeded our expectations. The prices are simply the icing on the cake. Products we have rec'd: Arm Guards Padded Sticks Stick Bags Kamagong daggars Bahi Sticks Spring Steel Kris Dulo Dulo's ... And more I'm sure. The arm guards are not quite the same quality as the Lameco, but they will do just about as well. The padded sticks are fantastic. The Bahi, (and we now have kamagong on order) are tremendous for the price. One thing that threw me a little on my initial order is the Paypal thing you have to go through. It seems a little funny, and then at the end there was a $10 fee to process. I felt a little unsure about it, so I emailed Toby Barthelmes at Sinawali Trade, and he immediately answered me and assured that everything was legit. I took a chance and feel that it paid off quite well. If anyone has had a bad transaction with SinawaliTrade.com, please let me know, as we intend to continue to place orders. Erol Weber Cabales Serrada Escrima Apex Training Center 19 B. Vance Road St. Louis, MO 63088 636.861.1585 E-mail: apextraining@msn.com -- __--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 00:01:43 -0600 From: michael@whitehatresearch.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] SinawaliTrade.com Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Has anyone had any experience with SinawaliTrade.com? They have some really good prices, unfortunantly its setting off my "too good to be true" alarm and I'm worried about giving them a CC number. Thanks, Mac --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:47:25 -0800 (PST) From: Leo Salinel To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] LSAI club at ADB Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Cogie, Has the LSAI club at ADB been existing for several months now? Who's the instructor there, and what are the schedules? Do you teach the expats there or just the local staff? How about outsiders? And finally, are there any other FMA clubs there at the ADB, and could you please give me a listing of the martial arts groups there? Thank you! ===== Earn $$ just by receiving and reading email! http://www.resource-a-day.net/member/index.cgi?Brandon96 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Young Forest" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:56:11 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: sinawalitrade.com Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Has anyone had any experience with SinawaliTrade.com? They have some really >good >prices, unfortunantly its setting off my "too good to be true" alarm and >I'm >worried about giving them a CC number. I would append my own request - has anybody ordered blades from them? Badger Jones Siling Labuyo Arnis --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:54:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] 11 Dec 1944 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net 11 December 1944 Happy Birthday, Suro. We miss you... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Marc Macyoung" To: Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:47:50 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] re: Eskrima for Self Defense Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: "Krishna Das" >I took a look at your web site and it is a good job of salesmanship, but >when it comes down to the bottom line I don't see how you are any different >than the "SCARS" guys. You seem to be saying the everyone else is no good >and the only safe thing to do is learn from you. If you believe that than you missed my point entirely. I do not claim, nor have I ever claimed: a) to be an unbeatable fighter b) to have all the answers c) to be able to teach you how to be an unbeatable fighter In fact, from the tone of your reply I suspect that all you did was go to the critique of "modern martial arts culture" section. If that is true then -- while the tone of your post is understandable -- you're ignoring the wealth of free information on personal safety and crime prevention in all the other areas. Wasn't your question about what else did you need to know about personal safety besides just one fighting style? Or did you just want to stick with a fantasy definitions that revolves around your deadly prowess to defeat slavering hordes of bad guys using your deadly martial art? I mean obviously if all you think that personal safety -- for both you and your family (which I seem to recall you asking about) -- is just about how good you are at fighting, then I'm going to seem like any number of those so-called reality based self-defense clowns or ultimate deadly fighting/combat killer martial art style. The very people who engage in the business practices that you accuse me of. Sorry boyo, but personal safety is about a whole lot more than punching, kicking or hitting people with a stick. If you don't know that, then you haven't been there. If, when the importance of these extra elements is pointed out, you dismiss, negate or minimize then you ain't interested in "self-defense." More specifically your defintion of "self-defense" doesn't gell with what the rest of the world thinks it is -- and that me bucko can get your ass in some deep, deep trouble. I'm not talking about macho dojo fantasies here Buckwheat, I'm talking bloody messes for failures and criminal prosecution for success. As such, I'd recommend you stop using the term "self-defense" because you are setting yourself up for a lot of trouble if you ever have to "defend yourself." Did you not notice how much of the Webpage is oriented on prevention, de-escalation, aviodance and understanding the behaviors that lead to violence? Or did you just go to my commentary on your pet subject, the "martial arts," and figure that was the same thing as personal safety? The reason I don't claim to have all the answers about self-defense is because there is so much more involved than just fighting. Gee, maybe cops, correctional officers, police, lawyers, psychologists, sociologist, anthropologists and of course criminologists might have something worth listening to about the subject? I mean after all, they kind of deal with the issue every day. Or do you think that only martial artists understand violence? I don't claim to have all the answers because quite frankly I am not qualified in all those other fields. But I do listen to those people and double check my theories with them. And, oddly enough, I get much better response from those people than I do in the martial arts world. Which is where I do most of my work these days. Unfortunately, the martial arts world DOES infringe on what people think crime and violence is. This is because they make a lot of noise about how they teach "self-defense." So let's take it back to how business is often done there. Let's start with what you are accussing me of: Am I trying to get people to come study my ultimate fighting system? Not only no, but hell no. Just for your information, there are much bigger markets out there where I do make my money, namely personal safety for the average person. That's right, Joe and Jane Civilian. (People who *gasp* have no interest in learning how to fight.) Another major market for me is the security field, where I get to go in and train professionals how to handle dangerous situations. What is nice about those markets is that there I find much more open mindedness about learning. At best, the martial arts is a small niche market for me...one that is unfortunately, filled with people who think they know the REALITY, when, in fact, most of them don't have a clue about how violence occurs, what is involved and what it takes to survive it, much less come out ahead. Sorry Charlie, but their ain't no boogey man out there. But there are people out there who make monsters look warm and cuddly. People who will not only kill you without hesitation, but have absolutely no interest in letting you get a chance to defend yourself. You think you are going to be able to fight -- and defeat -- one of these guys? Good luck pal. Oh, and just so you know, these are the kinds of people you will be facing in an armed robbery. These are the savages I train people to avoid. Because quite frankly, unless you have training/experience that outstrips the martial arts by light years, you're gonna lose against that guy. I make that statement, not because I don't know what a dangerous bad ass you are for knowing a particular fighting style. I make that statement because 1) I know how those savages work and 2) I know what goes into the training of people whose job it is to face those savages every day. In comparison, commercial martial arts training doesn't even come close. (Oh and BTW, for a supporting explination of what I am talking about read Jim Wagner's "High Risk" column in May 2004 Black Belt). This is why I train Joe and Jane Civilian how to recognize and avoid becoming a victim, because the worst thing they can do is try to "fight" one of these savages. Yeah, just call me a wuss and a fake for not teaching people how to kick criminal's asses. That is what a lot in the MA world say about me. That is, when they aren't calling me arrogant and "a cocky know it all" (Oh I do wish they'd make up their minds) But despite that, here I am, wandering around teaching countless people how to be safe and avoid crime/violence, being interviewed regularly by magazines, radio and TV stations on crime prevention, being both required and recommended reading in every branch of the US military, my tape Safe in the Street used in concealed carry classes around the nation, waddling off to teach police, military and security forces around the world, about to return to school to get my degree in psychology so I can sell my "control presence" program to institutions like police, prisons and the FBI. For some reason those people don't think I am full of shit when I talk about all this other stuff involved in violence. Gee, I must be doing something right. Oh yeah, and despite all this, you think that what I want is to get you to come and study with me? Or to sell you my books and videos to make you an super stud bad ass? How about franchise my deadly fighting system and make you my style's "North Eastern Podunk Iowa" representative? Oh wait, while we're at it I can charge you for advanced study and teaching programs that you have to buy in order to remain certified in my deadly killer kung fu system. Sorry pal, but I got bigger fish to fry than to play the little martial arts games that I talk about in the martial arts culture section of my Webpage. (BTW, wasn't that the section that apparently upset you so much?) Sorry that all that the free information provided on the No Nonsense Self-Defense page made you think I was trying to scam money from you. I wish you the absolute best of luck if you ever do meet someone in a dark and lonely place...'cause, quite frankly, you're going to need it. Animal --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest