Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 03:03:08 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #450 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2000 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re:Marc or not (Krishna Das) 2. Lefty, Righty, Ambidextrous, Matched and Unmatched, Bilateralism (Marc Denny) 3. Kerala Fighters (Krishna Das) 4. Re: LSAI club at ADB (Cogie Gutierrez) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Krishna Das" To: Subject: Re:[Eskrima] Marc or not Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:06:54 -0600 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I am very sorry, I posted my last message before reading this one. Consider the subject dropped on this list. ---------------------------------------------- Original Message From: "Ray Terry" Subject: [Eskrima] Marc or not Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:22:31 -0800 (PST) >Ok gents. Time to move the 'to Marc or not thread' (whatever that means) >offline. Many will like Marc's writings and many will not. > >Thanks. > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:00:49 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Lefty, Righty, Ambidextrous, Matched and Unmatched, Bilateralism Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: First a tangent: > ============================================================================ > As recently as 1972, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia > said that the jury has an "...unreviewable and irreversible power... to > acquit in disregard of the instructions on the law given by the trial > judge...." -- (US vs Dougherty, 473 F 2d 1113, 1139 (1972)) > http://www.caught.net http://fija.org The diversity of things that pops up on this list cracks me up-- the Dougherty decision on jury nullification. Refresh my memory if you would: What were the facts of the case? What this the holding or dicta? And is this the current law? Given the tenor of the jury nullification rights movement I'm under the impression that its not. Turning to the subject at hand, be it left or right, I misplaced the issue with Kim's post but IIRC correctly the gist of it was that many people may talk ambidexterity but not walk ambidexterity. This, as far as it goes, is true. Briefly reprising points made here over the years: 1) Whereas single lead boxing structures (e.g. a righty always having the left foot forward) develop both sides of the body, single stick structures as trained by most people tend to increase the difference between dominant and complimentary sides. 2) Fastest initial results may come from working single stick in standard lead. IMO this tends to lead to physical imbalances over time. For many people double stick takes substantially more training time before good results are obtained in fighting. 3) People tend to avoid true ambidexterity work because it messes with the ego to work the complimentary side in the dominant function. 4) If the disparity between dominant side and complementary side has been increased by working single stick dominant side first, it becomes even less likely for most people that they will ever really go to work on the complimentary side in dominant function because it will be an even larger "ego bubble pop" to do so. 5) A common response to this ego chatter is to think that matching siniwali drills (right meets right, etc) show ambidexterity. Under pressure, such training often reveals results exactly as Kim comments. This is, I think, because in the drills that most people do, the complimentary hand is, in effect, slip streaming the coordination of the dominant hand. My sense of it however is that true skill is best achieved by the complimentary side of the body being trained in dominant side movement BEFORE the dominant side learns the movements in question. This explains why lefties who must undergo learning on the right side first in order to "fit in" over time often produce stellar ambidexterity results. Those of you familiar with Chad Stahelski, may use him as a good example of this. My own experience was that as I began sparring in 1986, and then fighting in 1988 was that I could not really manifest double stick at all and I didn't bother trying for many years. After my serious knee injury in 1992 I had about 18 months of recuperation during which time I invested some focused time working single stick in my left hand. Around 1995 I gave fighting siniwali another go, and although the results showed things that needed work, it went well enough that I entered into several years of fighting only siniwali. I now have a strong preference for siniwali. I have put considerable thought into this for Dog Brothers Martial Arts. (BTW, as we define it, empty hand is a subset of siniwali) DBMA has as its mission statement "To Walk as a Warrior for all One's days." This includes developing the physical skill sets for 360 situations, amongst them ambidexterity and bilateralism and siniwali is an important part of this work. The teaching syllabus is organized so that these skills are taken to fighting level in a lot less time than it took me to figure it out. :-) So far it seems to be working for several of my fighting students who are manifesting the material very nicely Woof, Crafty Dog. PS: QUESTION: My understanding is that monkeys do not have dominant and complimentary sides. Why is it that we do? --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Krishna Das" To: Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:41:38 -0600 Subject: [Eskrima] Kerala Fighters Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ken Ingram wrote: > > >Krishna may have grown up in the mean streets of Calcutta, but I >hear Kerala is rougher and is the origin of many Indian fighters. >How did he fare in those parts? > Well, since you seem a bit unclear about India, Let me first inform you that Calcutta (which should actually be spelled Kolkatta) Is in the north east of the country in the Bengal district and Kerala is in the very southernmost part of the continent. They are about as far away from each other as you can get and still be in India. So the sad fact is I have never been to Kerala. But I can tell you a little about how they fight. I made the money to come to the US by prize fighting in Lathi bouts. Of course you don't make a lot of money from the purse, which might be anywhere from five to twenty dollars US, you make money from side bets. The book makers don't care if a fighter bets as long as he bets on himself. You also need a couple of friends to place bets on you as well. If you make to large a single wager and win it can be sometimes difficult to collect. But I am wandering, sorry. I marched a couple of blokes from Kerala who had come to find their fortunes in the big city, they were both very tough fighters. Though I think the fighters from Tamal Nadu (which is to the east of Kerala) are better and tougher and more skilled overall. But if you want the toughest, that would have to be the Sikhs from the Punjab. They have their own way of doing things, and they are the very watch-word for tough. I once saw a bout where a Sikh boy came back to win after getting his right wrist broken. He wielded his lathi one handed and knocked his opponent senseless. Now that's tough. So now you know a little more of India than you did previously. Krishna Das Patanjal _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] LSAI club at ADB To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:11:25 -0800 From: "Cogie Gutierrez" Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Romy Valenzuela's lineage On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:02:10 -0800 (PST), "Felipe Jocano" said: > Hello Cogie, > > As an LSAI instructor, I'm just curious - who's > teaching you guys? > > Bot > --- Cogie Gutierrez wrote: > > > Leo, > > > > Sorry to say, it is closed to outsiders. We are > > wary of > > people from outside of ADB. > > > > Cogie > > > > On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:47:25 -0800 (PST), "Leo > > Salinel" > > said: > > > Cogie, > > > > > > Has the LSAI club at ADB been existing for several > > > months now? Who's the instructor there, and what > > are > > > the schedules? Do you teach the expats there or > > just > > > the local staff? How about outsiders? > > > > > > And finally, are there any other FMA clubs there > > at > > > the ADB, and could you please give me a listing of > > the > > > martial arts groups there? Thank you! > > > > > > ===== > > > Earn $$ just by receiving and reading email! > > > > > > http://www.resource-a-day.net/member/index.cgi?Brandon96 > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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