Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:07:00 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #453 - 15 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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[Policedo] US Supreme Court sides with police over deadly force... (Ray Terry) 12. Crafty's Sinawali (jay de leon) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 20:31:48 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Q To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Kim's Lefty comment and Guro Dan Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Kim wrote:<> Yes Kim I understand your point. Your first comment regarding Guro Dan's seminar are taken a bit out of context. I started with Guro Dan when I was 14. I am now 44 and still training. He has a method to his "madness". One of the problems with seminars or for those who are not listening in class is that his seminars and classes are "snapshots of martial arts material" Guro Dan requires that you do personal research. In my early days he spoon feed us the JKD concepts (the primer) then emphasized that he cannot be my only teacher and that I had to do homework just like school if I was going to really understand the lesson of the day. The crux of how this martial data fits together in real time needs to be figured out in one's own structure and it is alot harder to figure out if your structure is not Guro Dan's structure. He often shows the odd ball thing like the left hand florette just to do it so you know it can be done...then it is time to drink from Guro Dan's firehose and it is your resonsibility to figure it all out later. That is why the rightside is worked. He probably lost many people in your class he always does working just on the rightside. If you did not notice other people's actions you were concentrating pretty hard on what he was showing. Can you imagine if he made everyone go left and right. You would have got less than 50% of his lesson plan. Which would you rather have? Personally, I like his style as it was my first martial exposure. To me he is teaching at the university level. Regards, Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S. Torrance, Ca. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Dave Sheehy Subject: [Eskrima] Lefty / Righty To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:13:52 PST Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > I knew that Al Concepcion, one of Gm Angel Cabales' very first students, > was a lefty so I asked Manong Al how Gm Angel taught him Serrada. Al > said that he used his right hand in class when Angel was teaching and then > on his own he practiced the counters on his strong/left side. I am a very dominant lefty and my instructor trained me as a natural lefty in Serrada (i.e. pure left hand and none of this righty/lefty stuff). My instructor is a long time friend and sparring partner of Al Concepcion. He says that Al "feels" like a right hander when he spars with him. I on the other hand "feel" nothing like a right hander when he spars with me. He is convinced the difference is due to the way we were trained. Me, I can see where individual differences could come into play but I can definitely appreciate his point. I have never worked out Mr. Concepcion so I can't offer a first hand opinion. Dave --__--__-- Message: 3 From: gints@att.net (gints@worldnet.att.net) To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:23:25 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Lefty, Righty, Ambidextrous, Matched and Unmatched, Bilateralism (WoodyTX) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:45:15 -0600 > From: WoodyTX > On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:00:49 -0800, Marc Denny > wrote: > > PS: QUESTION: My understanding is that monkeys do not have dominant and > > complimentary sides. Why is it that we do? > > My dog seemed to have a dominant side. He would always "shake" and > paw at things with his left paw, and would usually turn the same way > before lying down (to the right). > > WoodyTX I Googled for this article on animal and non-human primate "handedness" : http://www.sciam.com/askexpert_question.cfm?articleID=00063C8D-61EF-1C72-9EB7809EC588F2D7 --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 06:58:23 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: George Mason To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Fw: Lefty, Righty, Ambidextrous, Matched and Unmatched, Part 4 plus a bit of marketing Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net When the DVD's are available please let me know. Geo ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 07:07:19 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: George Mason To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Kim's Lefty comment and Guro Dan Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Mr. Carlton Sir, Very cool that you have done so much training with Guro Inosanto. He is such an awesome individual. Where is your school located? Geo (The Jazz Bear) ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: DenverAMA@aol.com Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:33:46 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] (no subject) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Please join us in welcoming Guro Dan Inosanto January 8th & 9th to the Colorado, Denver metro area For registration contact _www.inosanto.com_ (http://www.inosanto.com/) For general inquiries and information contact: Guro Heather MonDee at _hmondee@k2ftc.com_ (mailto:hmondee@k2ftc.com) or _denverama@aol.com_ (mailto:denverama@aol.com) Experience the most influential martial artist of our generation. The author of several books, appearances in major motion pictures, featured on the cover of virtually every major martial arts magazine and teaching seminars all over the world promoting multiple martial art systems and teaching concepts that develop the novice and instructor levels alike to further the evolution of the martial arts. Best to all this Holiday Season and through 2005 Guro Heather MonDee _www.denverama.com_ (http://www.denverama.com) --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:19:18 -0700 From: Nat Nickele To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Worst place in the world Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net iPat said : "just thinking - with the recent references to growing up in tough places, does it really matter where you are? a fist is a fist after all." You are absolutely right. The neighborhood I grew up in was not the most pleasant, but it did not necessarily make me a good fighter. It DID however, make me a good talker and a fast runner. :P -Nat --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:38:38 -0800 (PST) From: Joseph Rusnak To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Lefty, Righty, Ambidextrous, Matched and Unmatched, etc, Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Marc Denny wrote: > PS: QUESTION: My understanding is that monkeys do > not have dominant and > complimentary sides. Why is it that we do? Actually, they may. See the last paragraph of the following article: http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa003&articleID=00011A5C-E1D9-11B0-A1D983414B7F0000 Regards, Joe __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Ryan Greene" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:16:33 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: right left Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I was just wondering if anyone else has expereinced something similar, but for me, it's not that my left hand is less-abled than my right, but that it's differently-abled. I am right handed, but due to years of training, I've found that my right tends to take over certain roles, and my left does for others. In general, my right is my power hand, so for swinging the stick, it just has more snap to it. I seem to have a bit better tip control as well, and for power punching, specifically crosses, it is quite a bit better than my left. My left however, is much better for more subtle finesse moves. I can tripple up on a jab with my left, and it's lightning quick, whereas trying to do this with my right is nearly impossible. It's like trying to jab with a sledgehammer. Power yes. Quick finesse, no. My left just really has more quick snap to it, which actually makes for a sharper jab and a nice short left hook. When I've got a stick, my left hand just has far more dexterity when using it for aggressive checkin and jamming. Once again, it just has better quick "pop" to it. Similarly, if I'm going for a grab, or a finger/joint lock, my left is a bit smoother than my right in getting the job done. So, knowing this, I just try to make the most of each hands' strengths. At largo, I tend to go to a right lead, utilizing the reach, power, and tip control of my right hand, and the power that I can generate with the stick. When things close in however, I usually switch to a left lead, knowing that it'll be easier to engage my left in aggressive checking, locking, and striking. It is just much closer to the opponent, which lets me use it more readily for defensive support, and shortens the distance that it needs to go for offensive checking and striking. So things aren't exactly "even" for both of my hands, but there is a sense of complementary balance. Anyone else experienced this? --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Young Forest" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:08:30 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] drumming and sinawali Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >PS: About 6 months ago I started taking Djembe Drum lessons (the Djembe is >a drum from west Africa). My teacher is pleased with me progress and feels >that my double stick training has been of tremendous benefit to me in this >endeavor. In my case, drumming allowed me to pick up sinawali in pretty much no time, much to the chagrin of the woman who was showing me. Occasionally I've also offered drummers' workshops entitled "martial arts for drummers" based on striking and rhythm. Now if only I could finally get the hang of doing espada y daga "backwards", with the stick in my left hand and daga in my right. Badger Jones Siling Labuyo Arnis --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:18:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] [Policedo] US Supreme Court sides with police over deadly force... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... >By GINA HOLLAND >.c The Associated Press > >WASHINGTON (AP) - The Supreme Court refused Monday to clarify when police >can use deadly force to stop fleeing criminal suspects but said a lower >court got it wrong in allowing a lawsuit against an officer in Washington >state who shot a burglary suspect. > >Law enforcement groups and 16 states had encouraged the court to use the >officer's appeal to clarify protection for officers from lawsuits when they >injure or kill fleeing felons. > >Instead, the court issued an unsigned opinion that found only that the 9th >U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco erred in ruling that the >officer, Rochelle Brosseau, clearly violated the suspect's constitutional >rights. > >Brosseau shot Kenneth Haugen in 1999 as he fled in his Jeep to avoid being >arrested for drug charges in Puyallup, Wash., a city of about 35,000 people >in the Puget Sound region 10 miles east of Tacoma. Haugen pleaded guilty to >fleeing police but then filed suit claiming a civil rights violation. He >suffered a punctured lung in the shooting but recovered. > >The 9th Circuit, which is frequently overturned by the Supreme Court, said >Brosseau should face a jury. > >``Officer Brosseau shot an unarmed man in the back as he attempted to drive >away from her. In these circumstances, the officer's actions should be >second-guessed,'' justices were told in a filing by Haugen's attorney, >Bonnie Robin-Vergeer of the Public Citizen Litigation Group. > >On the other side, the officer's actions were praised by law enforcement >groups and states. > >``Officer Brosseau should be commended for her selfless bravery in the face >of imminent danger to herself, and those residing in the quiet residential >neighborhoods of Puyallup,'' justices were told by lawyers in the brief on >behalf of 16 states. > >The Supreme Court's 8-1 opinion said that ``Brosseau's actions fell in the >hazy border between excessive and acceptable force'' but were not clear >enough to open her up to a lawsuit. > >Three justices - Antonin Scalia, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer - >said the court should have used the case to make clear how courts should >handle such lawsuits. > >Justice John Paul Stevens wrote in a dissent that the officer was out of >bounds in shooting a suspect who had not threatened anyone, and that it >should be left to a jury to decide if she should have to pay damages. > >The case is Brosseau v. Haugen, 03-1261. > >In a second similar case, justices ordered a lower court to reconsider >whether officers can be sued when they tackle someone and knock the person >to the ground during an arrest. > >At issue is the claim of an officer in Xenia, Ohio, that he should be >shielded from a lawsuit over his handling of the arrest of a woman. > >Police went to the home of Cheryl Lyons in 1998 to investigate an >allegation >that Lyons' teenage daughter had assaulted someone. The woman claimed that >she did not invite officers into her house and argued with one of them. > >Another officer, summoned to assist, ran into the house and threw Lyons to >the ground in a football-like tackle, she claimed in a lawsuit. Justices >threw out a decision by the Cincinnati-based 6th U.S. Circuit Court of >Appeals that a jury should be allowed to consider if officer Matthew >Foubert went too far. > >The case is Foubert v. Lyons, 03-1622. > >On the Net: >Supreme Court: http://www.supremecourtus.gov/ >12/13/04 12:46 EST _______________________________________________ Policedo mailing list Policedo@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/policedo --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:55:36 -0800 (PST) From: jay de leon To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Crafty's Sinawali Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Marc wrote," I am using "siniwali" here in the common and imprecise American usage of the term i.e. to mean "double stick". It is my understanding that in the Philippines the term is used to refer to "weaving" motions. However, just as Brazilians often use kimono to refer to a gi, in the US we often use siniwali to mean double stick. I suspect we do it because the foreign word sounds cooler than "double stick" :-)" Marc is correct on all counts. "Sinawali" comes from the root word, "sawali" which is strips of bamboo woven together, used for walls, decorations, baskets, etc. Since it refers to the "weaving" motion, if you want to be technical about it : (1) it may refer to any double weapons movement, i.e., you may do sinawali with espada y daga. (2) either the arms or the weapons have to cross for it to be sinawali. So I guess, if you hit 3 times with the right hand, hit 2 times with the left separately, and the arms or weapons never cross or weave, it is not sinawali. It may be an effective double stick combination, but it is not a sinawali motion. In the Philippines, we also used the term kimono for gi. I only learned the term "gi" coming to the U.S., which is weird considering when I was studying judo in the Philippines, we used both the Japanese and English names for the techniques--uchi mata, kata guruma, etc. Jay de Leon --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. 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