Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:22:36 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #462 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2000 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Speaking of Dances and All... (Clint Cayson) 2. Re: ED v11 #460 - Music and FMA (Bart Hubbard) 3. Re: re: Eskrima for Self Defense (WoodyTX) 4. Re: Guro #12 Uncle Ray... (Ray Terry) 5. Marshallese Martial Arts? (Bert Edens) 6. Re: Eskrima for self defense (Todd Ellner) 7. Enviroment (rich parsons) 8. re: Eskrima for Self Defense (Marc Macyoung) 9. tournament question (John Titus) 10. Re: The FMA/dance connection (jay de leon) 11. Re: Music & FMA (jay de leon) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:45:32 -0500 From: "Clint Cayson" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Speaking of Dances and All... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Seasons Greetings To All! I used to play/dance "Tinikling" and "Binagul" (don't know the Tagalog term for this) when I was in grade school back home. My dance instructor used to tell me the benefits of these dances to my Eskrima training (he's also an Eskrima Instructor). In Tinikling, the footwork itself has a tremendous benefits because not only your foot/feet moves but also your eyes and arms, each coordinated or choreographed before your feet get caught up by two bamboo poles. In Binagul, there are two types of exercises being performed... first is/are your hand coordination, and second is/are the legs/footwork. I am sure an FMA scholar and folk dancers can account my post about these dances. Just a thought. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! Maligayang Pasko at Manigong Bagong Taon! Malipayong Pasko Ug Bulahang Bag-ong Tuig! Clint --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:10:24 -0800 (PST) From: Bart Hubbard To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: ED v11 #460 - Music and FMA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey There, One of my favorite artists to use for workout music is Hassam Ramzy. He does traditional Egyptian percussion without electronic enhancement. The music provides fantastic rythm that isn't overpowering or distracting from class. Specifically I like the second album in his Sabla Tolo series. He has another cd out which is a mix of arabic percussion and flamenco guitar. It's interesting how well the music fits in with an fma workout. One of the reasons that I like this guy is that he changes the rythm and pace of the music as he goes along. From what I've read about him and what I can tell from the music he writes down very little of the music and plays as he is inspired. The result is a rather unpredictable beat that changes constantly. I suggest you all check him out. ===== Be Cool. Bart Hubbard Capital Doce Pares www.capitaldocepares.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:41:14 -0600 From: WoodyTX To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] re: Eskrima for Self Defense Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Women are dangerous and easily 'misunderestimated'. One of the hardest hits I've ever received was an elbow from a 13 year-old girl at a SD seminar... a flash of light, a flash of darknes, and a moment of disorientation as I tried to realign myself with the suddenly-slanting floor. Consider yourselves warned. WoodyTX On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:04:54 +0000, iPat wrote: The > difference in approaching 16 year old girls and older women suddenly > seemed so huge. My sons 16 so i know what their social culture is to a > certain degree and its a wide departure from that of older women. > i survived...just. > > -- > iPat > live for today, live for tomorrow --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Guro #12 Uncle Ray... To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:49:32 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Cool! I didn't even know that! I did know that he was in the school about > the same time as Guro Garry Bowlds, and John Peterson. Right. Just after John and just before Garry. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 13:04:47 -0600 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Bert Edens Subject: [Eskrima] Marshallese Martial Arts? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings, all... Since they're in the same region as the Phillipines, does anyone know of any martial arts that are native to the Marshall Islands? I once saw a demonstration (musical, actually) done by some Marshallese high school students, and part of what they did involved some sticks doing a weaving pattern similar to what we do in sinawali... Here in northwest Arkansas, we have the largest Marshallese population outside the islands themselves (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nationworld/bal-te.indent17sep17.story) ... Just makes me wonder if we might be able to offer something to or learn something from them... Thanks for your time! **bows** - Bert Edens, II Dan TKD Springdale, Arkansas --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:06:30 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: "Todd Ellner" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Eskrima for self defense Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >c'mon Macyoung, smaller volume, no waffling straight to the point! ; ) For all of his sterling qualities Marc is constitutionally incapable of using one word where a page will do. >did a mixed WSD session last week and had a variety of ages. It threw >me a bit as suddenly i found i was having to address it differently to >the different ages! Where i had been looking to deal with awareness i >resorted to release techniques to keep the group in check. The >difference in approaching 16 year old girls and older women suddenly >seemed so huge. My sons 16 so i know what their social culture is to a >certain degree and its a wide departure from that of older women. >i survived...just. Absolutely. Different ages, different mixes of the same age, different teaching style. If I might make a suggestion, go easy on the release techniques. The reasons a lot of that got taught in earlier days were cultural. Women were a lot more reluctant to hit things, and the male teachers of self defense were reluctant to teach them anything dangerous or active. Even the Blessed Saint Fairbairn (Laaaaa!!!!) published a book on self defense, and it was full of complicated, strength-based grab releases that didn't follow up by doing some damage to the attacker. We've found that women about 25 and under are a lot more matter of fact about that sort of thing. Other attitudes have changed. Ten years ago most of the people we taught had heard "Don't fight back. You'll just make him angrier." and were inclined to believe "A gun will just be taken away and used against you." Now less than one in five has been taught the first (and most think it's a crock) and maybe a third have heard the second. Awareness is always good, but what women of different ages need to be aware of has changed, as you no doubt know having a teenager in the house. Twelve years ago they wanted advice about safe dating. Now it's advice about arranging safe anonymous sexual encounters through werewolvesRus.com. Ee-yai. [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type Image/jpeg which had a name of BackGrnd.jpg] --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:22:27 -0800 (PST) From: rich parsons To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Enviroment Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net You Said: Message: 6 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:28:58 +0000 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Environment and training Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I agree that each place is a different environment and so has its own inherent dangers. By living in a place of conflict you will tune in more so i dont see how you can compare or grade a calcutta against a Compton. living in a sleepy village in Cambridgeshire in england or a croft in the highlands of Scotland may not prepare you for the dangers of the mass urban sprawl and the dangers that brings with the vying for position on the social ladder of survival. the person in the bad slums of calcutta may well adapt quicker to the bad slums of LA or Rio or...etc it may be that the risk of harm by violence may increase because of the density of population, but it doesnt mean that it cant happen in the sleepy village or desolate crofts. The probability rating may change depending on location and custom but the consequences are still the same. My reply: I agree and disagree. I agree that a punch is a punch. I disagree in that in the sleepy little villiage the punch is going to be a wind up round house after much talking yelling and posturing. In other locations be it inner cities of USA, or other countries these attacks come from behind and not usually wiht just a fist. They use broken glass, and boards with rusty nails and anything else they can to put the conflict in their favor. I know people who have never been in a fight in their life. They do not understand why everyone does not have food or medical insurance. They had it growing up and have it for their children. They have no concept that some people do not have the same chances nor the same opportunites nor the same intelligence to try to go to college and make a better living. These people when pushed into conflict will push you back or wind up to swing. They may even threaten to go home and get their gun. In places of conflict, the person may walk away only to jump you in a darker place with no one around for less witnesses. They may wish to get more friends themselves. Yes this can happen anywhere. Yet the possibility is much higher in places of conflict. While visiting New Zealand in 1999, there were new signs of gang graffiti on some buildings and all the people were all upset and worried that they were going to die. The gangs did not even have knives or guns yet. They had not progressed to that level of violence. Many of these people used to walking the city streets of were startled that now they had to watch out where they went. Even though everything closes betwen 6:00 PM and 9:00 PM except for a couple fo Pubs that stay open for a couple fo hours longer but not much more. So, yes technically speaking you can have a predator in a sleepy little town. Yet, the chances for this and to run into such are significantly much lower, that I think location and environment does play an issue. Now does this mena that you cannot have a club in a sleepy town that trains well and hard and produces world classe fighters? No it does not preclude this possibility. Yet, the likelihood is much less, in my opinion and experience. This is not meant as an insult to those who train or work in sleepy little villiages or even those who have never been in a fight in theri life. If I had it all over to do again, I think I might seriously opt for one of those people who have lived with no serious conflict in their life. I just recognize that it does exist. Peace Rich __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Dress up your holiday email, Hollywood style. Learn more. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Marc Macyoung" To: Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 12:15:19 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] re: Eskrima for Self Defense Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > From: iPat > c'mon Macyoung, smaller volume, no waffling straight to the point! ; ) Hey now! The reason I am considered so bombastic is because "if you ain't confused, you don't understand the problem." I tend to point out all those little complications and that takes time. I wish it was only about one thing as so many want to believe. > you would not only get four different answers, but you'd >> probably get a donnybrook worse than if you asked "who teaches "real" >> JKD?" > > groan Atsa whadda Ima tryin' ta tellya! > sure does. But seriously, you dont expect me to read all this do you. > Thats why you are here, to distill it for me so i dont have to make an > effort! Ya pays yer nickel, ya takes yer chances... The > difference in approaching 16 year old girls and older women suddenly > seemed so huge. My sons 16 so i know what their social culture is to a > certain degree and its a wide departure from that of older women. > i survived...just. Write me off list for some of the tactics we use in our WSD program. We love that kind of environment because it keeps a particular age group from reinforcing their misconceptions and agendas. Don't fight it, use it to your advantage. And it is indeed one hell of an advantage to have older women in a group. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "John Titus" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:46:56 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] tournament question Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net i have participated in WEKAF style events but was dismayed at the rules- with all the armor, it seemed odd to prohibit live hand striking or stabbing techniques. does anyone know of any organizations or websites that promote more realistic competition? i don't know if my skill level is high enough to fight in a 'gathering of the pack', but am definitely interested in the realism of the sparring. thank you. --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:49:51 -0800 (PST) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] The FMA/dance connection To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Bot: Thanks for the info. I will look it up. Lots of angles to explore on this topic. I don't think I will be writing about this for a long while. Jay de Leon Felipe Jocano wrote:Hi Manong Jay :-) While we've been discussing the dance/FMA connection, I almost forgot to mention that there is an excellent book by Sally Ann Ness on the Sinulog of Cebu. It's an ethnographic exploration of the dance, the festival itself, the immediate social context and the symbolic meanings of the dance and the festival. I mention this because in one of the chapters there is mention of GM Cacoy and how the flow of eskrima is akin to the flow of the sinulog. I forgot the exact title, but it's a very interesting read. I think it was published by the UNiversity of Pennsylvania Press (I hope I got that right) Regards, Bot __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Jazz up your holiday email with celebrity designs. Learn more. --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:55:46 -0800 (PST) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Music & FMA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Re "Fire in the Night." Her teacher, "Manolo Calba," owned a construction company and worked as a Filipino dance instructor and initially denied being a FMA instructor. He made her join his dance school as a condition of any FMA instruction. Graciella Casillas actually learned to dance the tinikling (or part of it anyway) for the movie. I believe they also show the "Singkil" in this movie. Jay de Leon "L. E." wrote:Greetings to all! Just a small contribution to the topic of music, do any of you recall the movie which starred Instructor Graciela Casillas titled "Fire In The Night". She was taught the FMAs first as a dance form. Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest