Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:55:14 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #464 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2000 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: re: Eskrima for Self Defense (iPat) 2. Re: tournament question (Felipe Jocano) 3. Dance and FMA (jklk175@earthlink.net) 4. Re: Escrima Environment (WoodyTX) 5. Re: tournament question (WoodyTX) 6. Re: tournament question (Andrew Maddox) 7. tournament question (Deveyra, Tito A.) 8. Tournament/Seminar (Rudyshorei@aol.com) 9. Re: tournament question (Jared Dame) 10. Re: Escrima Environment (Marc Macyoung) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:42:36 +0000 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] re: Eskrima for Self Defense Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net going back to the escape techniques, i actually used them as a game at the beginning. it was more for self realisation that they were not inept, a confidence building thing that you dont have to meet strength with strength. the step by step approach that they can deal with a situation without freezing up and the need to assess before and during and the different rungs of the ladder that require different approaches. No words here can simplify the approach but would only bring out others best intentions with their own advice. the balance of trying to dispell the over hype of the stranger danger to the fact that its ok to talk to guys but trust that inner bell. that was teh issue with these girls. they all nodded when i asked if they knew a boy about 16ish who went through a spell where they 'didnt know him anyore'. You know marc, they still dont get that nest topic, can you remember the discussion several years ago about the guys who used to remove the chairs from their rooms so the girl would sit on the bed, the nest. I bring that up often when discussing the topic with women and they argue against it. > And it is indeed one hell of an advantage to have older women in > a group. Yes i agree, but in this case it wasnt the best mix -- iPat live for today, live for tomorrow "Truth is a pathless land. Man cannot come to it through any organisation, through any creed, through any dogma, priest or ritual, nor through any philosophic knowledge or psychological technique. He has to find it through the mirror of relationship, through the understanding of the contents of his own mind, through observation and not through intellectual analysis or introspective dissection..." --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 06:04:43 -0800 (PST) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] tournament question To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net With regards to this exchange, you might try asking GatPuno Baet about the tournament in Paete, his hometown. That's one place where this still goes on. One of our guys went there and watched it. But GatPuno can explain it better. Regards, Bot --- Cogie Gutierrez wrote: > Hmmmmm, try going to the bronx or better yet, go to > the Philippines. ;-) > If they make you sign a waiver, I guess that's the > real thing, live > stick and the works. Those kinds of competitions > still exist in some of > the town fiestas here. > > On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:46:56 -0800, "John Titus" > > said: > > i have participated in WEKAF style events but was > dismayed at the rules- > > with all the armor, it seemed odd to prohibit live > hand striking or > > stabbing > > techniques. does anyone know of any organizations > or websites that > > promote > > more realistic competition? i don't know if my > skill level is high enough > > to > > fight in a 'gathering of the pack', but am > definitely interested in the > > realism of the sparring. thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > > Standard disclaimers apply > > > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: To: Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:53:39 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Dance and FMA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I recently attended a fund raiser at Bakbakan Kali in NJ for Cindi Balani. It was a Tulisan Knife Fighting Seminar instructed by Master Rey Galung of Bakbakan International. In addition they had a Phillipino Dance group come in to perform plus a Church Choir. The dance group was Kinding Sindaw of NYC. Being new to FMA I couldn't tell any movements related to FMA, but the dancers and movements were utterly beautiful. The website for the dance group is They do plays and other Phillipino Cutural events during the year. In fact they had a play recently about a Chieftan and his tribe with dances and scenes about planting, preparing for war, love, & others. Certainly I will be paying closer attention to this part of our Arts history. They had a CD for sale that I picked up ($20) with what I would describe as Phillipino Tribal music, with drums, gongs, jews-harp (sorry for any misspelling here) and other instruments. Great meditation vibes for me but will incorporate into my movements. Thanks for the comments related to this topic. A new direction for me to explore as I continue on the FMA journey. BTW, the Tulisan workshop was outstanding. Happy Holidays! J. Kinney NJ --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:02:38 -0600 From: WoodyTX To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Escrima Environment Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I played high-school football in a fair-sized Louisiana town. We played a mix of city and country schools. The city guys occasionally played dirty, but the scrawniest country guys could knock you silly. I would imagine that it's the same for fighters. WoodyTX On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:29:36 -0800 (PST), Jonathan Kessler wrote: > As someone who has lived in cities, and now lives in > the woods - different survival skills are required in > each place. (snip) --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:05:49 -0600 From: WoodyTX To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] tournament question Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net At the risk of self-promotion (I judge in it), check out www.edgefighting.com. Padded sticks, light helmets, shin and instep guards - but otherwise pretty much anything goes (stick, punch, kick, knee, takedown, grapple). Or find a friend, agree on some rules, and have at it. Sparring with more variables changes the game a lot. WoodyTX On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:46:56 -0800, John Titus wrote: > i have participated in WEKAF style events but was dismayed at the rules- > with all the armor, it seemed odd to prohibit live hand striking or stabbing > techniques. does anyone know of any organizations or websites that promote > more realistic competition? i don't know if my skill level is high enough to > fight in a 'gathering of the pack', but am definitely interested in the > realism of the sparring. thank you. > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:08:26 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Maddox To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] tournament question Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:46:56 -0800, "John Titus" said: > i have participated in WEKAF style events but was dismayed at the rules- > with all the armor, it seemed odd to prohibit live hand striking or > stabbing techniques. does anyone know of any organizations or websites that > that promote more realistic competition? i don't know if my skill level is > high enough to fight in a 'gathering of the pack', but am definitely > interested in the realism of the sparring. thank you. To kind of echo Ray, with a little more elaboration - where do you train? Can you find a few other people in your group/school/area who have the same interest in more realistic fighting? If so, then go for it. Start your own "sorta-like-Dog-brothers-mini-Gathering" and just get together and spar. We used to do that in my club when I practiced more FMA. You just get together, agree on who feels like going how hard, decide for yourself on how much armor to wear and what techniques/targets to allow or restrict, then once you have a consensus, have one person act as timer, and then just fight! As long as you keep a friendly attitude and everybody does agree on how hard is OK for that session, pay attention and break things off before anyone gets hurt, this is great fun. It can help to have either the timekeeper or another person act as unofficial referee, since you tend to get tunnel vision and not hear things once the adrenaline starts flowing, so sometimes you start to get too "enthusiastic" and need someone else to physically step in and enforce a short break, but otherwise... How do you think the Dog Brothers got started in the first place? ;-) Anyway, my 2 cents' worth... -- Andrew Maddox, madsox squiggle radix point net DC-area martial artist? Check us out and join us at http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/DCMartialArts/ --__--__-- Message: 7 Subject: [Eskrima] tournament question Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:14:28 -0800 From: "Deveyra, Tito A." To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net John, What area are you located? tito -- __--__-- Message: 9 From: "John Titus" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:46:56 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] tournament question Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net i have participated in WEKAF style events but was dismayed at the rules- with all the armor, it seemed odd to prohibit live hand striking or stabbing techniques. does anyone know of any organizations or websites that promote more realistic competition? i don't know if my skill level is high enough to fight in a 'gathering of the pack', but am definitely interested in the realism of the sparring. thank you. -- __--__-- --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Rudyshorei@aol.com Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:31:00 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Tournament/Seminar Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings Group, I would first like to wish everyone a merry Xmas and a safe and happy new year. My name is Rudy Carrillo and I am from Phx, AZ. I have been involved in MA for over 20 yrs I have only been involved in FMA for a little over 2 yrs. I am glad to discover FMA. I would like to ask the group what it would take to host a FMA tournament/Seminar? Who would be willing to come to Phoenix? Through my MA I have meet people that would be willing to help. Thanx --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:07:31 -0700 From: Jared Dame To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] tournament question Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Love the site.....I might try and take a road trip down there to compete one of these days. jared On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:05:49 -0600, WoodyTX wrote: > At the risk of self-promotion (I judge in it), check out > www.edgefighting.com. Padded sticks, light helmets, shin and instep > guards - but otherwise pretty much anything goes (stick, punch, kick, > knee, takedown, grapple). > > Or find a friend, agree on some rules, and have at it. Sparring with > more variables changes the game a lot. > > WoodyTX > > > On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:46:56 -0800, John Titus wrote: > > i have participated in WEKAF style events but was dismayed at the rules- > > with all the armor, it seemed odd to prohibit live hand striking or stabbing > > techniques. does anyone know of any organizations or websites that promote > > more realistic competition? i don't know if my skill level is high enough to > > fight in a 'gathering of the pack', but am definitely interested in the > > realism of the sparring. thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > > Standard disclaimers apply > > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > -- Jared Dame jareddame@gmail.com 970-663-6354 --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Marc Macyoung" To: Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:58:45 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Escrima Environment Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > From: Jonathan Kessler > As someone who has lived in cities, and now lives in > the woods - different survival skills are required in > each place. Very, very true...a life form that is adapted to one environment often cannot adapt -- and by extension -- survive in another environment. While this statement seems obvious, what is not so obvious is how in humans it applies to mentally adapting. Rules of conduct, expected behaviors and countless other standards that one takes for granted in a particular environment are all different...and potentially deadly. In the movie "Grand Canyon" an inner-city street kid who had been involved with gangs finds himself in a suburban situation. A car pulls up and the kid reacts in typical gang fashion, he jumps the fence and bolts. Everyone else is just looking at him like he is nuts. They had never undergone a drive-by shooting...he had. In that environment however, he looked like a fool. In his previous environment, they would have been dead. > Some rural environments also develop tough fighters. > There are a lot of small towns in which I wouldn't > want to have a barroom brawl. I have personally experienced and witnessed many, many situations where someone from one environment proceeded to behave in that manner in another enviornment and it quickly went to hell in a handbasket. One of my more memorable acts of stepping on my dick was being in a honky tonk where "friendly fights" were the rule and dropping a guy too fast who got in my face. We didn't fight to display where I'm from, we went in to hurt the dude and end it -- that was my unconsious assumption and strategy. I savaged the dude in about four moves and he fell down. The entire bar stood up and started towards me for what I had just done. Oops... Time to run like hell MacYoung. Thank gawd I had just punched the dude out and apparently he wasn't well liked because they didn't chase me further than the parking lot. (I later snuck back and got my car). Yeah, I was a long haired, killer kung fu, bad ass from the city...but those shit kickers were going to open a serious can of whup ass on me and there would have been nothing I could have done to stop it. You're absolutely right, there are tough people ALL over the place...and the toughest I have ever met are people whose lives depend on the surviving and working through the elements. Because the elements don't care how tough you think you are, they will kill you if you violate the rules. Those from the city can get mean real quick, but I've met more human fire ants -- people who you drop a rock on 'em and they keep on going anyway -- out in the country than I ever did in the city. Thank gawd, most of them ain't mean. M --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest