Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 03:03:52 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 11 #466 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2000 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: At a Loss (Buz Grover) 2. Re: At a loss, (Marc Macyoung) 3. Re: FMA Dance/Filipino Folk Dance (Felipe Jocano) 4. WEKAF Has Value (al sardinas) 5. Stick and dagger tourneys (Van Harn, Steve) 6. Truncating your emails (Ray Terry) 7. Re: Re: At a loss, (Jared Dame) 8. Dummy training (Natural Spirit Int'l) 9. Re: tournaments and parties (jim bruce) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:13:49 -0500 From: Buz Grover To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: At a Loss Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net WoodyTX writes: > (WoodyTX goes and makes some popcorn.) > > Y'all want some? This oughta be interesting, to say the least. I dunno about popcorn, think I need a second so I can commit seppuku before this thing gets going. There's no honor in this as a participant, or an instigator. Giving Animal grief for his over the top rhetorical style makes about as much sense as giving Ms. J. grief for her syntax and diction. Can't we try something a little more sporting, say like hunting baby ducks with croquet mallets? Buz Grover --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Marc Macyoung" To: Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 20:48:12 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: At a loss, Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > From: "Johnaleen" > Oh and did it hurt when you stepped on your dick? and were you naked at the > time, that short, on your knees or was it the reason they wanted to fight > you and got in your face or what? Well Ms. Castro, In light of 1) the venemous e-mail you sent me privately gloating over the recent unpleasantness 2) the fact that you are under the impression that I somehow physically threatened you despite the fact that we have never been in proximity 3) you have charged on several occassions that I am a verbal bully 4) the number of Internet run-ins you have had not only with me, but friends of mine You'll excuse me if I don't respond to your questions, because by this last section I suspect you are more interested in quarrelling than gaining understanding. You just go your merry way and I will go mine. M --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 21:58:24 -0800 (PST) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] FMA Dance/Filipino Folk Dance To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Magandang hapon po, Gat Puno, I wrote a reply earlier but the list rejected it as being too long, so I had to write again. Ah well, ganyan talaga po ang buhay :-) I found your post fascinating. Of great interest to me is the existence of the two groups you mentioned below. That they are organized is a testimony to the durability of our traditions and the adaptability of the people who inherited them. I hope that other masters who know both traditions and how they can complement each other will come out into the open and teach them. Gumagalang at Maligayang Pasko din po! Bot --- GatPuno@aol.com wrote: > Bot, >> > Yes, I teach these dances part of my curriculum. > > I was not expose to it, till I joined the group of > the "Paete Moro-moro or > Zarsuela" and the Bukang Liwayway Balagtasan Groups > a group of talented Poet. > It's an eye opening experience to be with all > Veterans Moro-moro players. Every > folk dance that they taught to us is surprisingly > have an effective > application in practical Combat application. The > relation of every movement that you can > used defensively and offensive as well. > > It wasn't few years later, I realized the value of > it. In early time, I > taught it's a waste of time to practice such > movement, wow, I was wrong. You know > when your young and Western Music and dance is big > all over the country, you > don't want to be stock practicing folk dance. All we > want as young teenager is > want to learn how to rocks and boogie. But when I > was first taught the first > Combat Dance, I said wow that amazing I. Have > practiced ever since. We learned > 30 set of Moro-moro dance plus all the folk dances > that they believe to be > valuable additional exercises in footwork, and hand > rhythm, speed and timing. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "al sardinas" To: Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:07:41 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] WEKAF Has Value Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sgt. Evans, I must confess that until recently I would agree with you that WEKAF would be a waste of time but after attending the recent 1st LA WEKAF Full Contact Tournament and meeting Bart Hubbard, I have changed my mind. Guro Hubbard has opened my mind to the possibilities and value of the WEKAF tournaments. Being involved with martial arts over for 30 years and being a karate tournament competitor in the 70's (never won), I can see the value of WEKAF of being a vehicle for the promotion and acceptance of FMA's. When I saw young kids competing in fighting and forms I thought of the potential of FMA's being parallel with other mainstream tournament martial arts like Tae Kwon Do, Judo and Karate. Guro Hubbard pointed out that "judging WEKAF is actually very complicated and sometimes the judges have little or no experience in the ring themselves or are unfamiliar with the ins and outs of the WEKAF rules". This is typical at all martial art tournaments or any other form of competition even professional boxing. Did anyone ever watch a boxing match where the winner was determined by a decision and question one of the judge's scoring? Also Guro Bart makes some other points "If you are a civilian or an LEO then it is quite realistic. In general civilians and LEO's cannot strike the opponent's back, stab them, or strike a downed opponent. ....Striking to the arms, thighs, hands, and trunk are exactly the places that LEO's and security personnel are allowed to hit people with a baton. Thrusting to any of the major organs has legal precedent to be construed as using deadly force. In my opinion WEKAF training is a valuable tool if you let it be..... But I also would encourage you not to give up on WEKAF and instead try changing your mindset about what it is that's being accomplished. " Another value of WEKAF is conditioning. If you are going to compete in WEKAF it is obvious that your body has to have the endurance of a long distance runner to compete or you will not go far. Finally, even though I'm a student of the Garimot System where the ultimate emphasis is on full contact unpadded sparring I think WEKAF can be a successful outlet for the FMA's provided that the judging gets better, the rules are fine tuned and the people that run this organization have leadership with similar qualities like Guro Hubbard. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Van Harn, Steve" To: "Eskrima Digest (E-mail)" Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 09:21:26 -0600 Subject: [Eskrima] Stick and dagger tourneys Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net There have been several tournaments posted here in the past that included stick and dagger divisions. For those who ran, entered, or judged them, I am curious as to what the specific criteria are that the judges of these competitions use to score the winner. For example, is it only vital cuts, stabs only or slashes as well, ect. What is used or allowed for protection and is the dagger padded, ect and what type of control is expected and what are allowed targets. I have my own objectives when we spar this method but was curious as to how it is transferred to a tournament setting and deciding the winner If I were to ever enter one of these, it would be good to have already considered the scoring criteria as a separate component of my training. Many thanks, Steve Van Harn Arnis Sikaran - Jornales System Sandatahan --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 07:19:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] Truncating your emails Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > I wrote a reply earlier but the list rejected it as > being too long, so I had to write again. A good time to remind folks again... Please do not quote a quote of a quote in your reply message. It only serves to send out emails that are entirely tooooo long, filling up mailboxes with junk. Just trim your msg quotes down to the relevant bits and then add your reply to that. If a message is rejected, you receive your original email in return mail so that you can easily trim it and then resend. Thanks. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:29:09 -0700 From: Jared Dame To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: At a loss, Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Have we all resorted to email violence? Verbal sparring? Should we have some calculation of point values here based on rhetoric and prose? Just trying to lighten things up a little!!!! ; > What this business about bringing gender into any of this? We are all just artist interested in the same art form who cares what someone puts on some website. Lets talk about the real issues. FMA! Could people give me their opinons to the benefits of using a wooden dummy practice techniques for the improvement of thier Kali art? What are the benefits that people see in it? Would anyone argue that it harms the Kali practitioner? I personally think it helps with the coordination of the less dominent side with drills of speed and precision. (When you lack a training partner) peace to all J of Colorado On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 20:48:12 -0700, Marc Macyoung wrote: > > From: "Johnaleen" > > Oh and did it hurt when you stepped on your dick? and were you naked at > the > > time, that short, on your knees or was it the reason they wanted to fight > > you and got in your face or what? > > Well Ms. Castro, > In light of > 1) the venemous e-mail you sent me privately gloating over the recent > unpleasantness > 2) the fact that you are under the impression that I somehow physically > threatened you despite the fact that we have never been in proximity > 3) you have charged on several occassions that I am a verbal bully > 4) the number of Internet run-ins you have had not only with me, but friends > of mine > > You'll excuse me if I don't respond to your questions, because by this last > section I suspect you are more interested in quarrelling than gaining > understanding. You just go your merry way and I will go mine. > > M > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > -- Jared Dame jareddame@gmail.com 970-663-6354 --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Natural Spirit Int'l" To: Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 12:16:37 -0800 Organization: Natural Spirit Int'l, Inc. Subject: [Eskrima] Dummy training Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey all, Just wanted to touch on Jared Dame's request for information on the Dummy training subject. Without question the interaction of dummy training with FMA is very valid and reaps great benefits. Sensitivity is just one of the attributes that becomes refined by training on resistance bearing equipment. Additionally the ability to stick or adhere to the dummy and your training partner will improve dramatically. This compliments close quarter stick work, knife developmental skills, and empty hand striking,jamming, and disrupting. Some systems do not address principles of binding your opponent or at least closing so tight as to not allow them to strike back at will. The dummy will provide a self development element that allows you to feel and engage while creating your own resistance weather it is soft or hard. It should also be stated that this is not unique only to Wing Chun but is mostly attributed to that style as far as relation to movement. I have found by extracting the essence of Wing Chun as taught to me by Jesse Glover and adapting the concepts or strategies to a western mindset, boxing, standing grappling, ground pounding, Filipino lock control tactics, and other methods of fighting are all enhanced dramatically. Finding the connection is the key to self expression and not being bound by what style you are trying to mimic. The dummy offers the ability to create powerful bridging skills that are easily applied to multiple attacker positioning maneuvers. Jamming with forward pressure to seek a response and having the sensitivity to now jerk, press, out-balance, foot trap, or throw and aggressor from one position to another with less effort. The list of benefits are immeasurable. Years ago I developed and started selling the Silent Fighter Training dummy, it is a completely padded dummy with pivotal steel arms and a leg that spins 360 degrees. The fully padded body and appendages allows the practitioner to pound away with close to full power strike using any impact weapon you want, Dulled edged weapons are also part of the training curriculum. With both Mook Jong and Silent Fighter's in my gym the Silent Fighters are more frequently used than any other individual piece of equipment and provides greater results at the end of the training session. Mike Janich also wrote a section on building your own Silent Fighter in one of his book on "Home Equipment Designs." You are welcome to check out a picture of one as well as an article written for "Full Contact" magazine back in 1994 on my website at www.kellyworden.com Other than that, wrap a support pole in your garage with carpet, rope on a couple short length's of rattan and you have a training dummy that will take a fairly good whooping,,, Good luck.. Respectfully, Kelly S. Worden --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 14:08:33 -0800 (PST) From: jim bruce To: Eskrima list Subject: [Eskrima] Re: tournaments and parties Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > For other cops reading this forum don't waste ur > time with wekaf events. If > you want you should check out our fullcontact > event in May. Master Terry > names it the Cinco da Mayo party but we just call > it a chance to have fun > with issue batons. Bill > Roger that Sgt Bill. The cdm party is exciting and fun as long as we do not have to cross sticks with you or Master Ray. :-) ===== JAB __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Dress up your holiday email, Hollywood style. Learn more. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest