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Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2000 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Ocampo System (Cogie Gutierrez) 2. Re: Information Request (Aaron Alejandro) 3. Re: KALI (Tadd Mullarkey) 4. RE: When Your Instructor Quits () 5. RE: When Your Instructor Quits (Absolom Jones) 6. Attn: Malcolm Knight (Bill Lowery) 7. Re: Re: ED V11.465 - WEKAF and Woody (WoodyTX) 8. 2005!!! (Magtutudlo) 9. Re: Information Request (Ray Terry) 10. Re: KALI (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Ocampo System To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:54:53 -0800 From: "Cogie Gutierrez" Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I would rather gauge the fight on how each of them got hurt and if it ended in with wounded or maimed part, and the degree it inflicted. If I would speak on something, flames would just throw up into the air. True, a propeller blade can kill a man, but a stick ain't a propeller. Enough said. On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 12:40:02 -0800, "Earlwin Famor" said: > 13 Dec 2004, Master Felix Roiles and Master Erwin Mosqueda (Doce Pares) > paid a > visit to Master Roger's school (an Ocampo system?) for a friendly match. > Master > Roger was defeated within a two minutes, a two minute match, perhaps. > Master > Erwin landed thirty hits, and Master Roger made only three hits. I > forget the > actual name of the match, but I think it's called, largo mano, or long > distance > stick fight? They each used one stick. > > I've seen Master Felix Roiles on video, and he's blazing fast, too. Re: > "Doce > Pares Multi-system. Volume One." I wonder how he would have faired had > he been > in place of Master Erwin. > > After the match, Master Roger still believes strongly in his Ocampo > system, > according to Master Erwin. I had an impression that this Ocampo system > is more > of a "street fighter" style than the old Cebuano Doce Pares? Can you > guys tell > me more about this Ocampo system? I'm just curious. I was told that > it's an > off shoot from Doce Pares, like these other systems. > > I don't know much about the art, so far. I began my training recently. > I > wished I had particpated in our gym class back in highschool, because > arnis is > taught in highschools, too. I don't even know what style they teach in > Notre > Dame de Manila, but I suspect it's probably the Balintawak style, as it's > just a > few blocks off the that part of Manila called, Balintawak. > > Master Erwin found a disturbing practice, these Ocampo students only wore > arm > pads, and not the full gear used by WEKAF, or any other sort of > protection. > After the match, however, Master Erwin suggests that students should be > encouraged to wear the WEKAF gear. Master Erwin used to practice with no > gears, > too, and found that it's ridiculously unsafe. I don't like the WEKAF > outfit > too, it's too loose, and the back straps don't hold well. > > Anyway, Master Roger seems like a nice guy, said Master Erwin. I met him > too, > he seems nice. Master Erwin is not a show off, and welcome new friends. > So, a > friendly match after all, and they remained friends. > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX > Earlwin Famor [earlwin@compuserve.com] > ICQ: 115423282 http://go.to/earlwin > X-No-Archive: yes > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX > > ~ > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Aaron Alejandro" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Information Request Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:59:55 -0600 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Bart, Please find below a link to some great FMA videos. They are a part of series which highlight the 12 sub-systems of Inosanto/Lacoste Kali. Endorsements are pretty tellling and feedback has been very positive. http://www.warriorswaytx.com/modules.php?name=Warriors&page=videos.htm Aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: "bart" To: Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 6:31 AM Subject: [Eskrima] Information Request > Hello Folks, My name is Bart Riel I'm new to this list, I've found it > informative (mostly). I did some Eskrido training last summer in > Malaybalay > City Bukidnon on Mindanao with Jon Mac. Now I'm back home in central MA > and > I'd like to find someone to continue my Eskrido training with, do any of > you > folks know anyone in central Massachusetts with whom I might train ? Has > anyone here dealt with the Inayan Systems International web site, I'm > interested in buying some of their training dvds, and I thought I'd ask > for > comments. > Salamat > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Tadd Mullarkey" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] KALI Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 09:18:36 -0600 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net It would seem that I am located in Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin. It's kind of dull up here. The only martial arts that I've found (living here since August) are Tae Kwon Do (BIG) and Ninjutsu (2nd degree black belt wifebeater...I don't think so). I just earned my orange belt in Tae Kwon Do about three weeks go. Pretty proud about that. I assume that you live in Texas, dictated by your e-mail address. When is this seminar that you spoke of? I'll be pretty flexible at the end of next year(NAVY) Space flights are only $10 as long as there is space on the plane. ttyl Love and Destroy --__--__-- Message: 4 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: When Your Instructor Quits Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Anthony, I was wondering if you still have any relationship with your previous instructor now that he has stopped teaching, or has all communication stopped? I think this is an important factor in the processing of the change. I don't know how familiar you are with the history of the Inayan System of Eskrima but I can say that I have had a similar experience. I will tell you that I felt all the feelings that Mike mentioned in ED vol. 11 #468 message 8. Since the time my instructor stopped teaching I have used these feelings as fuel for my training fire. Being that I had already reached an instructor level in the eyes of my teacher, I decided not to search for another instructor. In your case I would suggest that you try to maintain some level of communication with your first teacher if possible. Regarding your current training, I think one of the hardest things you will face in the beginning is having an open mind. If you are dedicated to the arts long term, that will work it self out over time. Or not :o) Up to you. If you still would like to have a good relationship with your first instructor, (IMHO) the best thing you can do is to be the best student possible of your current instructor. If or when your first instructor works through their issues, you can evaluate your situation the time. We only have so much time in life, and if your like me and love to play (Eskrima), Mike is right moving on is all we can do. Even if your first teacher never comes back to teaching, if you do things right, they will be proud to say they where the first. Good luck on your journey Anthony. Regards ------- Emanuel Hart Inayan Masirib Guro www.inayaneskrima.com hart@inayaneskrima.com Inayan Systems International > -- __--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:57:56 -0800 (PST) > From: Anthony C > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] When Your Instructor Quits > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Hello Everyone, > > Has anyone ever had their FMA instructor discontinue > their teaching the arts? > > Mine recently quit after taking my initial two years > in the art with him. I feel a sense of loss as the > break was rather sudden for reasons akin of the need > to find onesself and his losing his passion for > teaching. > > When sharing the arts of life and death, you create a > very strong bond to those who instruct you. Assuming > you take it as seriously as I do. > > Although I have located a new instructor in a similar > discipline of the FMA arts with far more experience > than my former instructor, the sense of loss persists. > > Any input would be greatly appreciated. Especially > how others might have dealt with this situation. > > Thank you for your time and attention. > > - Anthony --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Absolom Jones" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:39:22 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: When Your Instructor Quits Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net bladesnbullets@yahoo.com, posted: >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] When Your Instructor Quits > >He said he had lost his desire to teach. > >--- Ray Terry wrote: > > > > Mine recently quit after taking my initial two > > years > > > in the art with him. I feel a sense of loss as > > the > > > break was rather sudden for reasons akin of the > > need > > > to find onesself and his losing his passion for > > teaching. > > > > Why did he quit? Need more time for family? Or > > work? Or??? > > > > Ray Terry > > rterry@idiom.com Dear Anthony, Your instructors stated reason for quiting is understandable. He wants more satisfaction for the time that he is putting into teaching. He is burnt out and tired. Thank him for what he has taught you. Seek out other instructors until you find one who meets most of your personal needs and train with that person. Take the information that you already have and practice hard on your own. Find someone to coach so that you have a training partner. You can turn this loss into a gain, if you move on and stop worrying about what could have been. Absolom --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Bill Lowery" To: Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:59:04 -0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Attn: Malcolm Knight Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Malcolm, PM sent. Bill --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:42:56 -0600 From: WoodyTX To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: ED V11.465 - WEKAF and Woody Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net That's pretty much how I see it. To restate my case: WEKAF's done a lot for the sport, and sparring with limited rules beats not sparring at all. But to use WEKAF-style tournaments, and the preparation for them, as your _primary_ tool for learning martial arts is not going to win you fights on the street. To recommend that soldiers or cops use it as a _primary_ training tool is similar to recommending Olympic pistol shooting as a defensive firearms tool. While the accuracy gained by shooting a fitted pistol one-handed from a perfect stance at a stable target a set distance away is better than watching TV, it's nothing like shooting IPSC shooting events or Airsoft force-on-force training. WoodyTX On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:50:52 -0800 (PST), Bart Hubbard wrote: > Hey There, > (snip) > > That being said, I think that it's important to engage > in several different types of sparring environments > and not just one. (snip) > > In closing, I think that WEKAF gets a bad rap because > of a lot of things that actually haven't much to do > with the actual method of sparring but rather with the > method in which people approach it. > > ===== > Be Cool. > > Bart Hubbard --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Magtutudlo" To: Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:19:13 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] 2005!!! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net MANIGONG BAGONG TAON SA LAHAT! MALIPAYONG BAG-ONG TUIG SA INYONG TANAN! I WISH YOU ALL A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR! >From My Family To Yours... Bobby --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Information Request To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:11:45 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Has anyone here dealt with the Inayan Systems International web site, I'm > interested in buying some of their training dvds, and I thought I'd ask > for comments. Yes, they are highly recommended. And you won't find a better FMA. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] KALI To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:25:32 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >As far as I'm aware, or from what I've been taught at least, the names do >indeed refer to pretty much exactly the same art. It just depends on where your >paticular style originated. Arnis is most recognisable in Luzon, Eskrima in >Cebu, and Kali in Mindanao. This is one of those things that I used to also repeat. However it seems that the term Kali is not all that used in the south of the RP. Kuntao Silat is a name that researcher Cecil Quirino has indicated is frequently used in the southern Philippines. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest