Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:45:57 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #18 - 14 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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(Wieneke, Myron) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:25:30 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Dog Brothers Martial Arts in Mexico Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof Garry: > From: garry bowlds > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] FMA in Mexico? > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Hello, > > I am in Mexico City right now, and will be travelling around the > country for the next couple of weeks, and was wondering if anyone knew > of any FMA schools in the country where I could train or teach for > awhile. > > Thx, > > Guro Garry In Mexico City Lakan Guro Mauricio Sanchez represents us. He may be contacted at Prof. Mauricio Sánchez - Apprentice Instructor Sistemas Integrados de Combate Mártires Irlandeses esq. Av. del Convento, Coyoacán, MÉXICO D.F. 56-05-80-59 / 50-97-82-54 / 044 55-2112-8749 sicdbma@prodigy.net.mx http://www.artes-marciales.com.mx Also, please note he will be hosting me for the fourth time on February 26-27. The seminar will be conducted in Spanish. Woof, Guro Crafty --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 07:26:05 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hamilton To: escrima digest Subject: [Eskrima] Guro Blade Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "Guro Blade hopes it is of higher quality than their edged weapons curricula. Guro Blade Always cuts deep > >For anyone interested I have learned from Stephen Lefebvre that Sayoc Kali >will be releasing a filipino whip training DVD in the next few months. >They >also sell whips at www.sayoc.com >Roy Parker" I feel this is forum is a place for discourse. I've noticed you have always had some snide remark for some people. Stop, be constructive. Also the 3rd person thing is tired even for royalty. I'm embarassed to open my email and see things like this, it's catty, it's juvenile. I'm sorry this may sound like a flame, but I have the flu and am going to a funeral today and am in no mood for anything of this sort. This is my first and last post on the subject. -Brian --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:17:42 -0500 From: "Clint Cayson" To: Subject: [Eskrima] CERTIFICATION - TESTING Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello All! Just a curious question: How do you get tested after couple of years of training the art of Eskrima by yourself? I started my training few years back and I stopped and got on again and continuously practicing where I left. Because I am interestingly would like to know if there are ways to do it without attending school or going to class just to get certification. Any answer is gladly appreciated. Thanks in advance. With respect, Clint 561.447.3204 (offc) --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:31:01 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Maddox To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] whip Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net And again with having nothing to say except an attack on Sayoc Kali? That's the only thing I've *ever* seen on E-D from this "Guro Blade" person. Kinda pathetically juvenile and cowardly. You got beef with the Sayoc family or something? Go take it up with them, I'm sure they'd be glad to give you a chance to "air your grievances." Mr. Listowner, why is this yobbo allowed on your list? I suggest dumping him, and when he shows up again with a new throwaway anonymous account to do the same thing (which his type almost certainly will), boot him again. Helps keep the signal:noise ratio cleaner. IMHO, YMMV, etc. Cheers! ND On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, Steve Kohn wrote: >Again with speaking of yourself in the third person? > >Kinda creepy dude. > >-Steve Kohn > >All Blade wrote: >Guro Blade hopes it is of higher quality than their edged weapons curricula. > >>For anyone interested I have learned from Stephen Lefebvre that Sayoc Kali >>will be releasing a filipino whip training DVD in the next few months. >>They also sell whips at www.sayoc.com >>Roy Parker -- Andrew Maddox, madsox squiggle radix point net DC-area martial artist? Check us out and join us at http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/DCMartialArts/ --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Van Harn, Steve" To: "Eskrima Digest (E-mail)" Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:25:53 -0600 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: latigo Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net On a side note, we train with an altogether different version of latigo as well We use a 5'(depending on your height) sibat but of an extremely thin diameter. If the rattan is thin enough and smoothed it will bend readily (90 degrees). Basic stance is held by the bottom third and positioned as a sword with the hands 1' or more apart. Basic movement is that using correct short snapping motions(with the upper hand) will cause a latigo that is pointing more or less vertically to make significant impact to the body of an opponent who is near or outside largo range. Adding body motions in concert with the strikes(directed by the bottom hand) can create interesting combinations, especially to the shins and feet. A very, very fast long range weapon. FWIW Steve Van Harn Arnis Sikaran - Jornales System Sandatahan --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "All Blade" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Guro Blade Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 17:06:34 +0000 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Guro Blade hopes you get well soon. Guro Blade Doesn't cut deep this time > >I feel this is forum is a place for discourse. I've noticed you have >always had some snide remark for some people. Stop, be constructive. Also >the 3rd person thing is tired even for royalty. I'm embarassed to open my >email and see things like this, it's catty, it's juvenile. I'm sorry this >may sound like a flame, but I have the flu and am going to a funeral today >and am in no mood for anything of this sort. This is my first and last >post on the subject. > >-Brian > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "rob mulligan" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:33:46 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] whip prices Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net With all due respect to Tuhon Chris Sayoc, $120-$140 for a nylon and hardwood american style whip? The calesa drivers whips are the real thing, and cost a small fraction of that. I have two given to me by P.G. Mat Marinas for over 18 years, and with a little care and a few coats of shellac, they should be around 18 more. Maybe I should push Jose a little more to build them!!! --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:57:34 -0800 From: "Deveyra, Tito A." To: Subject: [Eskrima] What country are Philippinos from? The Filipines? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Who is this Pinoy English teacher and what school was or is he or she teaching at? Is this the same teacher that said "I is Philippino?" People just let this incorrect spelling slide because ignorance is tolerated. Then as Cogie said, eventually it is accepted into the vernacular. Growing up in the Philippines (Pilipinas) we were always taught and corrected that the spelling for the people that inhabit the country is Filipino (Pilipino). Just as the proper spelling for the country is Philippines and not Filipines. Just read the newspapers or books there and you will never come across Philippinos. Enough of this, "I know that's how you call it but I want to call it this way." That's just plain disrespectful. I don't insist on spelling Japan, Jap-anne or American, Amerikan. "Oh yes boss, I know it's not right but that's the way I spell it in my report." I don't re-spell John as Jon. Is it arnis, arniss or arnyss? Is it apple or apol? Juice or Jews? When asked where my place of residence is I don't write "Kalifornia". What's the point of studying an art, culture and its people if one will not accept it and worse bastardize it anyway? (NOTE: this is not directed at Cogie but to the topic of his post and the countless that have spelled Filipino, Philippino. Cogie knows the proper spelling.) Tito de Veyra --------------------- Message: 7 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Controversial arnis duel english To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:00:48 -0800 From: "Cogie Gutierrez" Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Marko, That's Cebuano English. ;-) I once corrected a guy in a forum for using the word Philippino, that it should have been spelled Filipino. And he shot back and said a pinoy english teacher told him its ok. I remember back in college that a word whether it had questionnable origins, becomes a word when it is acceptable to the public. Even if it is considered grammatically wrong. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Steven Lefebvre" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:04:32 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Whip dvd Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Everyone, Just to confirm, there is a new Sayoc Kali whip DVD planned to be released later this year! There is more Sayoc Whip information available on the websites article section. Gumagalang Guro Steve L. www.Bujinkandojo.net --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:27:37 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: George Mason To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Funeral Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Brian, Sorry to hear that you are having to go to a funeral. I hope that things go well for the family. Geo the Bear ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:51:40 -0800 (PST) From: Bart Hubbard To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: ED V12.17 - Obs. from the Philippines, Colonialism, and faux toughness Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey There, I constantly hear about the colonial mentality and although there is some truth to it, I don't believe that is why there is more interest in Hip Hop and Basketball among Filipinos than FMA. I agree with Jorge that people in general are attracted to exotic things. One thing that strikes me as interesting is how exotic some FMA styles make themselves in order to attract fellow Filipinos. Sometimes their ultra-traditionalism borders on fiction and to people who know a little history it becomes almost ridiculous. In general the world over, people are more interested in music, dance, and sports than in traditional martial arts, be they indigenous or imported. Most people know only what they hear in stories, read in books, or see in movies when it comes to martial arts. Filipinos are great lovers of music and dance and they excel at it. Outside of the Philippines, especially throughout Asia, many popular entertainers are Filipino. Basketball is the defacto national sport of the Philippines and it has been popular there for so long that it's almost traditional. No matter how far out into the bush you may go, you'll stumble upon a basketball court. American Idol and the NBA are more popular here in the US than any martial arts event. More people read The Source than Inside Kung Fu. The fact that this is mirrored in the Philippines with variety shows like MTB Saya Saya or Sing.Song and the PBA is of no surprise to me. I think it's more indicative of human nature than colonialism. You find the same circumstance in other Asian countries as well. I think that the colonialism explanation is an easy route to an incomplete and inaccurate conclusion. For what it's worth I think that Hip Hop and non-contact sports like basketball allow for people to feel tough without actually being tough. Music, dance, and basketball are all more popular individually than boxing. More people go to dance class, voice lessons, and shoot hoops, than go to boxing gyms. With Hip hop you get to dress like people who are tough. With dance you get to move around and often do martial poses. With basketball you get to move around and trash talk and slam over people, etc. With each one of those activities actual contact will get you out. You can look tough and feel tough, but unlike boxing, you don't actually have to BE tough. So I see one of the attractions for people to do those activities over martial arts in general is that it empowers them without them having to actually be powerful. There are other reasons for sure, but I think that these were some that bear mentioning. Good luck in your search for the FMA in the Philippines. It's there and it's easy to find if you know where to look. ===== Be Cool. Bart Hubbard Capital Doce Pares www.capitaldocepares.com --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] CERTIFICATION - TESTING To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:34:31 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Just a curious question: How do you get tested after couple of years of > training the art of Eskrima by yourself? I started my training few years back > and I stopped and got on again and continuously practicing where I left. > Because I am interestingly would like to know if there are ways to do it > without attending school or going to class just to get certification. Any > answer is gladly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Clint, how did you train on your own? What style of eskrima? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Wieneke, Myron" To: "'eskrima@martialartsresource.net'" Subject: RE: [Eskrima] What country are Philippinos from? The Filipines? Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:35:09 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Tama, sangayon ako diyan!! (translation: Correct, I agree!!) Myron -----Original Message----- From: Deveyra, Tito A. [mailto:Tito@TFT.UCLA.EDU] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 12:58 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] What country are Philippinos from? The Filipines? Who is this Pinoy English teacher and what school was or is he or she teaching at? Is this the same teacher that said "I is Philippino?" People just let this incorrect spelling slide because ignorance is tolerated. Then as Cogie said, eventually it is accepted into the vernacular. Growing up in the Philippines (Pilipinas) we were always taught and corrected that the spelling for the people that inhabit the country is Filipino (Pilipino). Just as the proper spelling for the country is Philippines and not Filipines. Just read the newspapers or books there and you will never come across Philippinos. Enough of this, "I know that's how you call it but I want to call it this way." That's just plain disrespectful. I don't insist on spelling Japan, Jap-anne or American, Amerikan. "Oh yes boss, I know it's not right but that's the way I spell it in my report." I don't re-spell John as Jon. Is it arnis, arniss or arnyss? Is it apple or apol? Juice or Jews? When asked where my place of residence is I don't write "Kalifornia". What's the point of studying an art, culture and its people if one will not accept it and worse bastardize it anyway? (NOTE: this is not directed at Cogie but to the topic of his post and the countless that have spelled Filipino, Philippino. Cogie knows the proper spelling.) Tito de Veyra --------------------- Message: 7 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Controversial arnis duel english To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:00:48 -0800 From: "Cogie Gutierrez" Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Marko, That's Cebuano English. ;-) I once corrected a guy in a forum for using the word Philippino, that it should have been spelled Filipino. And he shot back and said a pinoy english teacher told him its ok. I remember back in college that a word whether it had questionnable origins, becomes a word when it is acceptable to the public. 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