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RE: to go on with the duel OR face arrest (gurumike@impactacademy.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:59:27 -0800 (PST) From: Leo Salinel To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] getting your kids into FMA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I don't have any kids, but what I would do is to let my future kids learn Taekwondo and Judo while still young. The kicking arts teach them discipline and some regimentation outside the home context, and grappling is perfect for standing their ground and humbling the school bullies without having to really really hurt them and thus get into trouble with the principal. By age 10 when a more mature mindset already sets in, I'd ask him pointblank if he/she would like to do FMA. (Of course, all his/her life I would have already been showing him/her FMA stuff like stick and sword disarms, counters, attacks, footwork, and videos). Most likely he/she will want to learn it. By the time he/she finishes high school, he/she can defend himself very well from bad characters in the streets. And perhaps become a very good practitioner and instructor once he/she goes to college. ===== Earn $$ just by receiving and reading email! http://www.resource-a-day.net/member/index.cgi?Brandon96 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:06:52 -0800 (PST) From: Leo Salinel To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] to go on with the duel OR face arrest Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ray, That's not a typo error. That's what we were taught in English remedial classes to call 'Filipinisms in English language'. Another example of a Filipinism would be to say 'despite of' or 'inspite the fact that'. Speaking of reviving FMA here in RP by teaching our youngsters, I often wondered if my grandfather (who died when i was 5, at age 79) knew FMA. He was born just after the Philippine Revolutionary War of 1896-1898. ===== Earn $$ just by receiving and reading email! http://www.resource-a-day.net/member/index.cgi?Brandon96 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:54:30 -0800 (PST) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Blending Names To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Marc, > If I may drift on a light-hearted tangent here? > We thought we were pretty funny. > Woof, > Kosher Dog > PS: Does anyone know the proper name for playing > with words in this way? Welllllll, you were being punny? :-) Bot __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 02:57:21 -0800 (PST) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] What country are Philippinos from? The Filipines? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, all: I remember reading an advertisement in a martial arts magazine for a set of videos about arnis from this particular video company that had this on the ad: "From the Filipines!..." I couldn't stop laughing for a while.... But seriously, this is whole thing is rather sad, especially in the case of the Pinoy English teacher cited below. Someone who should have known better did not show that he/she did so..... --- "Deveyra, Tito A." wrote: > Who is this Pinoy English teacher and what school > was or is he or she > teaching at? Is this the same teacher that said "I > is Philippino?" Now this one I can relate to. Like Cogie, I too experienced this, when I commented on a non-Pinoy's grammatical construction of a Tagalog word; although in my case, the non-Pinoy I was conversing with stood his ground because he believed in what his teacher (another non-Pinoy) had told him and taught him. Even though he was wrong in his grammar, I respected him because of how loyal he was to his teacher. That's a fine quality to have in a student.... But to get back to this topic, it's a really sensitive issue. I have to agree with Doc, it's disrespectful, but realistically, what can we Pinoys do about it? No matter how much we share about the right and wrong ways to do and say things, there will always be those who insist that their way is the correct way, even when its not. Especially when it comes to the proper term to call a citizen of the Philippines. Regardless of people like this, I believe that for every one of them, there are more who are open and willing to learn these things. Perhaps we should pay more attention to the latter - we gain more together as Pinoys and non-Pinoys in a mutual spirit of understanding, respect and learning from each other. I'm not saying we should ignore the disrespectful ones - indeed wherever and whenever we can, we should be always ready to share what we know to be the correct way to share and do things in our culture - but we can't always be addressing them forever. We have to find a balance somehow. (then I remind myself, easy to say but how easy to do?) The phrase about casting pearls before the swine comes to mind. A bit harsh, but then.... > Enough of this, "I know that's how you call it but I > want to call it > this way." That's just plain disrespectful. Bot __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 03:15:32 -0800 (PST) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: ED V12.17 - Obs. from the Philippines, Colonialism, and faux toughness To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all, Interesting observations on why arnis is not as popular as TKD.... While a lot has been said already about colonialism and about the love for the exotic, I want to ask this -What do we mean by popular? Well-known? Visible to the public eye? Granted, TKD is more well-known and publicly visible than arnis. But as Leo Salinel pointed out, to whom does TKD cater to as an institution? Mostly middle to upper class families, for whom the sports aspect is more appealing. The fact that the local national champions endorse a leading chocolate drink certainly helps boost TKD's appeal. What about arnis? It's not as visible, granted, as the questions from other Pinoys point out ("Totoo bang sa atin talaga iyan?" \Is it true that it's ours?). Yes, it may not be as visible but as an institution, arnis is making its presence felt. Its upcoming debut in the SEA Games this year is proof of that. Perhaps the fact that in spite of the sports version, arnis has retained its dangerous character may have worked against its being as widely visible as TKD. Then also, among older practitioners of the FMA, there is a tradition, similar to that of the local healers, about not being too visible about your skill or else it would depart from you. Something about pride going before a fall..... Now - will making arnis as visible as TKD here in the Philippines be a good thing overall? Regards, Bot __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "dwayne howie" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 08:00:20 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] training your children Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net jared and others contemplating the training of thier children, i have 3 daughters, 18,13, 11 and began their training at 3 as my father did me. my oldest is begining her training now in traditional chinese medicine and will soon be doing internship. my only chalenge i had was when my oldest was ready for her black belt rank was what art to put on the certificate. what happened was i had each instructor in each art to sign after she tested in thier art. some of them have been training with us for 16+ years. she is a good arnis instructor and i have many compliments from others. the other 2 do arnis/eskrima, karate and wu su. if you have the time train your children yourself. the blessing comes when many students and those that are not compliment you on their behavior and character which is a reflection of you. dwayne howie --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:46:35 -0600 From: WoodyTX To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] to go on with the duel OR face arrest Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Americans have their own.... How many veterans were instructed to "orientate" their compasses with their maps? WoodyTX On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:06:52 -0800 (PST), Leo Salinel wrote: > Ray, > > That's not a typo error. That's what we were taught in > English remedial classes to call 'Filipinisms in > English language'. Another example of a Filipinism > would be to say 'despite of' or 'inspite the fact > that'. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Roy Parker" To: Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:27:03 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] tom meadows book Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net How does one keep informed on the status of this book on the filipino whip? Is there a website? Roy Parker --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Roy Parker" To: Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:38:01 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] testing Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Clint, If you are training at home why do you feel a need to test? I have trained in fma at schools where i tested and another where we never tested ( you onlytested if you trained in all of the styles taught) and I preferred to train without testing? The only test that really matters is when you go mano a mano with an opponent. At the present time i train at home as well andfeel no need to test for anyone. The FMAs in my opinion have always been an eclectic art and that one true style does not exist. Roy Parker --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:02:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] UC stickmasters debut as champions in Sinulog arnis tilt Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The Freeman Cebu City UC stickmasters debut as champions in Sinulog arnis tilt by Sona Mae V. Povadora January 16, 2005 The University of Cebu stickmasters put up a stellar debut as they grabbed four gold, three silver and a bronze medals in the Sinulog International Arnis Championships last Friday in Elizabeth Mall. The UC arnisadors, spearheaded by playing-coach Maximo Caballes, scored the victory over top eskrimadors in the country and international campaigners from South Korea, Switzerland and the United States. Caballes ruled the open senior heavyweight division to lead the squad. The UC gold medal winners were John Kenneth Ferraren (collegiate-bantamweight), Zandro Cortez (collegiate-featherweight) and Michael Bernard Minoza (collegiate-heavyweight). The Filomocan Club finished behind UC in the over-all tally with three gold and two silver medals. Filmocan gold winners were Ritchie Quizon (heavyweight), Eduardo Feler (lightweight) and Dexter Legaspi (featherweight). The Warriors Eskrima Club, composed of University of San Carlos fighters, Inayawan Arnis Club, Dumanjug Eskrima Club and Mandaue Arnis Club shared the third spot with identical two gold medal harvest. Victorious warriors were Eleazar Gamboa and Raymund Pisquero Warriors Eskrima Club while brothers Lyle and Clyde Sales had it for Inayawan Arnis Club. Kawasan International Arnis Championship winners Louimie Tano and Jade Fe Ruben ruled the secondary girls division to power Dumanjug with two gold medals, while Cesario Perez and Wilmar Orio won a gold each for Mandaue. Tournament director Percival Pableo was delighted with the overwhelming turnout of the participation, which reached to almost 200. "We were supposed to finish at 6 p.m. but the entries are so overwhelming and we can't turn them down," said Pableo. He said that he already spotted a few fighters deserving to be named to the national pool for the 2006 World Championship in Orlando, Florida, USA. "Two South Korean fighters were remarkably good even if they are just beginners," said Pableo, alluding to bronze medal winners Kim Yong Song and Kim Sung Min. The tournament is being sponsored by eBusiness Services Inc. (The First Asia Pacific Network Agent for Western Union), Osaka Iridology, DMC Busa Printers, University of Cebu, Elizabeth Mall, Bantay Radyo, Nature's Spring Drinking Water, Cebu Television, Calmoseptine Ointment, Graphicstar and Elizabeth Mall. --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Michael Koblic" To: "Eskrima digest" Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:02:01 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] New arts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "For some reason this reminds me of a day several years ago when Carl Franks was at my house and he showed me some Laotian Silat that he had learned from a little old Laotian man in Hawaii. Very interesting footwork btw! Carl was showing me how he was blending it with his BJJ and we started riffing on names for the blend: Jiu Silat; Juicy Lot; Jew See a Lot; Jew C. Lot, etc We thought we were pretty funny." How does this art compare with Ninjewtsu? Mazeltov, Michael Koblic Campbell River, BC Hooch Pooch --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Dale" To: Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:06:05 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] werdz Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net <> There was an HBO show on in the 80s called, "Not Necessarily the News" where a comedian named Rich Hall called these variations on words, sniglets. Marc 's example is very snigletesque. Then again, there is a wordsmith up in Detroit that uses a different "gnomenclature." See you in the sticks, Dale --__--__-- Message: 13 From: To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] to go on with the duel OR face arrest Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:32:04 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Man! That is one of my pet peeves when it comes to words. People say "orientate" all the time and it just sends shivers down my spine. In fact, I've heard it so frequently that for a while I thought I might be wrong or that it might be a variation of the word so I looked it up. Nope. I think people erroneously derive it from "orientation." I don't know. All I know is that I grit my teeth every time I hear it - which is way too frequently because I'm not ready to give up steak yet :-) Later, Mike -----Original Message----- From: WoodyTX [mailto:woodytx@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 10:47 AM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] to go on with the duel OR face arrest Americans have their own.... How many veterans were instructed to "orientate" their compasses with their maps? WoodyTX On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:06:52 -0800 (PST), Leo Salinel wrote: > Ray, > > That's not a typo error. That's what we were taught in > English remedial classes to call 'Filipinisms in > English language'. Another example of a Filipinism > would be to say 'despite of' or 'inspite the fact > that'. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest