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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2000 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Teaching my son, Death of English by Americans (Felipe Jocano) 2. Met GM Bandalan yesterday & Lumpia Fundraiser in Bay Area (John Montes) 3. Re: Latiko vs Latigo (Ernie Aragon, Jr.) 4. Re: Observations from the Philippines (Jared Dame) 5. RE: Guro Blade (All Blade) 6. Re: Guro Blade (WoodyTX) 7. RE: Guro Blade (1@msfencing.org) 8. Re: training your children (Jared Dame) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:05:37 -0800 (PST) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Teaching my son, Death of English by Americans To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, Murder of English? Seems a bit harsh - couldn't we call it homicide? :-) It wasn't intentional, was it? Concerning "Can I?" I used to get a lot of jokes about that from one of my friends. When I asked "Can I....?" he would reply, "Of course you can. Whether you may is another matter entirely." (sound of my palm hitting my forehead. I did it again....;-) ) Seriously: Leo commented about Filipinisms in English. However, if you can speak Tagalog, try translating some of those Filipinisms into Tagalog. They make perfect sense in Tagalog but are weird in English. A favorite Filipinism: Aggrupation. I was told that there are no aggrupations (which means groups of groups) - I have to check the dictionary - but if you think "samahan" (which technically means association but can be extended to mean groups), then this makes sense. Another one: Dropping the article at the beginning of the sentence. Many local newspapers are guilty of this one. "Majority of...." While it looks weird in English, in Tagalog it goes, "Karamihan ng..." Again it makes sense in Tagalog but is awkward in English. What happens is that many Pinoys think in Tagalog or some other Philippine language and speak in English, and the occasional Filipinism is the result. Leo's example: "Despite of..." when it should be "In spite of..." makes sense in Tagalog: "Kahit na..." Even if we think that English is being mauled? Mangled? Manhandled? (what is the verb form for homicide anyway? Homicided?) as a living language, English is evolving. Shakespeare's English was the street English of his time. There may come a time when the hackle raisers here :-) will be standard usage. Forsooth, bro, that indeed would be something, huh? ;-) Bot > Concerning the murder of English by Americans, > here's some current hackle > raisers: > > 1) Making questions by putting "huh?" at the end of > declarative sentences, > e.g. "That dinner was really good, huh?" > > 2) Using object pronouns as subjects and putting > oneself first instead of > last e.g. "Me and him went to the store." > > 3) The disappearance of the adverb e.g. "You done > (sic) good." or "He went > quick" > > 4) I don't know the term for pronouns that end in > "self" but one regularly > hears things such as "I'm going to make me a > sandwich." > > 5) Of course there are old standbys such as > a) "very unique" > b) "Can I, , ,?" when requesting permission > c) confusing "there" and "their", "your" and > "you're", and "here" and > "hear". > > 6) and the death of the subjunctive "If I was to say > to you , , , " > > yip,. > CURmudgeon Dog > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:03:53 -0800 (PST) From: John Montes To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Met GM Bandalan yesterday & Lumpia Fundraiser in Bay Area Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey all, just thought I'd drop a few lines about meeting GM Alfredo Bandalan yesterday. A few of his young students, friends of the family, put on a demo with GM Bandalan looking on. He also demo'ed some of the block & flip things he does, which were cool too. I was very honored to be present. I have never met a grandmaster of any sort, and certainly not in the Escrima world, though a few come mighty close. So it happens that he also knows my uncle "the other San Jose Ray" Subega, so he told me to mention his name (I see him Tuesday). I will also mention you, Mr. Terry! Anyway, for those in the South Bay Area who are hungry (and want to help the fundraiser for Bandalan school), GM Bandalan has Lumpias for sale (frozen, last for 3 months). For those who don't know, Lumpias are Filipino vegetable rolls "egg rolls" as some call it, they are FANTASTIC dipped in apple cider vinegar! If interested call (408) 524-2957 and help them compete in Hawaii! Just say I WANT LUMPIAS!" Peace, ~John --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:42:52 +0800 From: "Ernie Aragon, Jr." To: Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Latiko vs Latigo Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, I'm Ernie Aragon, Jr., also a Filipino residing in the Philippines. I agree with Myron Wieneke. Though it is possible that in some parts of the Philippines, some Filipinos pronounce it as "latiko," the most common usage and spelling here is "latigo." I'm not sure that outside of PM Mat Marinas' articles in different magazines have I seen spelled or heard it pronounced as "latiko" and I've been to the North Luzon and to Southern Mindanao already. Still I do not dismiss the possibility that there are people who pronounce and spell it the other way. After all, the letters "k" and "g" (as in "go") belong to the same phonetic family. -----Original Message----- From: rob mulligan [mailto:panguro3@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 12:05 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] "latiko" "latigo" etc... Myron Wieneke suggested that "latiko" was actually spelled "latigo". The way I understand it, most Filipinos pronounce it and spell it with the "k", instead of the Spanish "g". --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:41:04 -0700 From: Jared Dame To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Observations from the Philippines Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Well I broke down and enrolled her in a Karate style at the local rec center and I have to say that she has been bugging me to work with the sticks and other empty hand techniques more then she has ever asked before. In fact what we now do is on the days she does not go to class I tell her if she is interested in learning then she needs to change into her kimono and come into the basement when I am training and I will give her little lessons. Its been almost a week now and everytime I go down to train she follows on her own without me telling her that I am going down to train! Also whoever told me about the mongol approach it works! My daughter likes lord of the rings so she is in the habit of slaying the orcs with her magic sticks now in the basement. Gotta tell everyone that this was one of my dreams to have my kids follow in the same passion that I have on their own accord. Thanks for the advise. Salamat J On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:14:59 -0500, Clint Cayson wrote: > Jared, > > I too had the same circumstances as you have but I managed to keep her mind > set on one thing I like most. Martial Arts. Of course she goes to TKD 3 > times a week but whenever she a vacant time, I'm with her giving a small > amount of lessons. I never tried to compel her to learn FMA because kids at > her age (8 years old) they like to go with friends they know and play. For > the fist stage of her learning martial arts (TKD) that positive values and > benefits of all she's learning is for her own good. A touch of history of the > Philippines before we start practicing Eskrima. For healthier understanding. > Then sending her to Martial Arts school to form her mind and convene new > friends at her age level and practice at the same time with there own pace. > As she went on, small lessons of FMA are brought in just to get her acquainted > to the ART. Now, she is persuasive enough to learn more, she even asked me to > set a time to practice Eskrima because she likes it. Once I asked her about > what do you like about TKD and Eskrima, she told me - she love both arts > because she can protect herself on different situations. I guess I did my > part of introducing her to FMA. My suggestion would be little by little > teaching her the values of your beloved art and she will eventually understand > the why's and the if's. Just a thought. > > Respectfully, > Clint > p.s. your name is also my son's name. > -- __--__-- > > Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:19:32 -0700 > From: Jared Dame > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Observations from the Philippines > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > I am at an impasse with how to go about the upbringing and martial > training of my daughter. She has expressed interest in my fanatic > approach to the martial arts (classes, seminars, basement workouts > etcâ?¦.) and I have been able to teach her some rudimentary basics, > however because of her age I spend more time trying to keep her > focused on the task at hand than I do instructing. So she want to go a > place and learn martial arts where she can wear the gi, kimono, > uniform with other children her age. I have no problems doing this I > am just fearful that she will be brought up in a hard style like I was > and then have issues moving more towards a practical martial art (my > hopes are that she take up FMA/JKD like her old man ; > ) Does anyone > have any recommendations of how to pursue this? I have setup times to > visit the local Kempo, Tae Kwon Do, and San Soo schools to talk about > their curriculum and determine how many children are present. (Hoping > that the San Soo works out as it is more close to my native Wing Chun > which is part of my background.) > > Any suggestions are welcome. > > Salamat and Namaste > > Jared > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > -- Jared Dame jareddame@gmail.com "Things come those that wait, but only the leftovers from those that rushed." President Lincoln --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "All Blade" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Guro Blade Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:44:11 +0000 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Guro Blade is Guro Blade. Guro J. Blade. Retired CHP and very long time arnisador. Guro Blade Always cuts deep > >Guro Blade, > >Are you Guru Edward "Blade" Wong of Urban Survival Systems, Vancouver, BC ? > >Rez Johnson >Mississippi Academy of Arms >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:41:31 -0600 From: WoodyTX To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Guro Blade Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I know Erik Estrada is on Sealab 2021 on the Cartoon Channel, but I never knew what Larry Wilcox was up to. I guess that question's been answered. WoodyTX On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:44:11 +0000, All Blade wrote: > Guro Blade is Guro Blade. Guro J. Blade. > Retired CHP and very long time arnisador. > > Guro Blade > Always cuts deep t/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 7 From: <1@msfencing.org> To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Guro Blade Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:10:58 -0600 Organization: 1@msfencing.org Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > -----Original Message----- > From: All Blade [mailto:allbladeallthetime@hotmail.com] > Guro Blade is Guro Blade. Guro J. Blade. > Retired CHP and very long time arnisador. Wrong person. Sorry. Thanks anayway, Rez Johnson Mississippi Academy of Arms --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:03:11 -0700 From: Jared Dame To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] training your children Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net My goal would be they take a hold of this like I did when I was young and continue the legacy. I want to be that old 70 year old grandpa that teaches his great grandchildren the FMA/Silat/JKD arts that have kept me in thralled for the last twenty years. Salamat J On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 08:00:20 -0500, dwayne howie wrote: > jared and others contemplating the training of thier children, > > i have 3 daughters, 18,13, 11 and began their training at 3 as my father did > me. my oldest is begining her training now in traditional chinese medicine > and will soon be doing internship. > my only chalenge i had was when my oldest was ready for her black belt rank > was what art to put on the certificate. what happened was i had each > instructor in each art to sign after she tested in thier art. some of them > have been training with us for 16+ years. she is a good arnis instructor and > i have many compliments from others. the other 2 do arnis/eskrima, karate > and wu su. if you have the time train your children yourself. the blessing > comes when many students and those that are not compliment you on their > behavior and character which is a reflection of you. > > > dwayne howie > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > -- Jared Dame jareddame@gmail.com "If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things." 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