Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 03:04:41 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #23 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Re: Blending Names (Steve Kohn) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:26:10 -0500 From: nephalim1@netscape.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: Latiko vs Latigo Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I come from Pampanga and over there we spell it with a "k". I've been to Cabanatuan, Nueva Ecija and it is also pronounced as such with a "k". That was my experience growing up there. I think it is also regional. Take for instance about the difference regarding patis(fish sauce) and toyo(soy sauce) between some Visayans(not sure if all Visayans though)and other provinces. My friend, a Visayan, calls the soy sauce as patis(instead of toyo) and the fish sauce as rufina(instead of patis).However latiko/latigo is spelled at least it points to the same article and not become a subject of confusion between two sauces, hehehe. "Ernie Aragon, Jr." wrote: >Hi, > >I'm Ernie Aragon, Jr., also a Filipino residing in the Philippines.  I agree >with Myron Wieneke.  Though it is possible that in some parts of the >Philippines, some Filipinos pronounce it as "latiko," the most common usage >and spelling here is "latigo."  I'm not sure that outside of PM Mat Marinas' >articles in different magazines have I seen spelled or heard it pronounced >as "latiko" and I've been to the North Luzon and to Southern Mindanao >already.  Still I do not dismiss the possibility that there are people who >pronounce and spell it the other way.  After all, the letters "k" and "g" >(as in "go") belong to the same phonetic family. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: rob mulligan [mailto:panguro3@hotmail.com] >Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 12:05 PM >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [Eskrima] "latiko" "latigo" etc... > > >Myron Wieneke suggested that "latiko" was actually spelled "latigo". >The way I understand it, most Filipinos pronounce it and spell it with the >"k", instead of the Spanish "g". >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list,  2000 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "rob mulligan" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:04:33 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Myron, Ernie, Lati(?)o, etc... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I did mention that i was just an old 'cano, didn't I? The Philippines is a big place. I guess there's room for a few k's and g's. It's time to put this to bed. Oh. I thought Crafty was a lawyer or something. He sounds more like an english teacher. Not bad! Rob P.S. "very unique" makes me grind my teeth; almost as much as "joo-luh-ree" or "in as far as" (what happened to "is concerned"?), but let's stop now, as i do need my teeth. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:38:23 -0800 (PST) From: jay de leon Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: Latiko vs Latigo To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net You should have mentioned that "rufina" is actually a brand name. Similar to "Frigidaire" or "pridyideyr" as the word for refrigerator, etc. Jay de Leon nephalim1@netscape.net wrote:Take for instance about the difference regarding patis(fish sauce) and toyo(soy sauce) between some Visayans(not sure if all Visayans though)and other provinces. My friend, a Visayan, calls the soy sauce as patis(instead of toyo) and the fish sauce as rufina(instead of patis). --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! – Get yours free! --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:07:45 -0800 From: "Deveyra, Tito A." To: Subject: [Eskrima] Latiko or latigo Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I spent a summer in the province of Zambales. Their dialect of Sambal they do call it latiko (noun). The verb is latikuen. Tito de Veyra Hi, "Though it is possible that in some parts of the Philippines, some Filipinos pronounce it as "latiko," the most common usage and spelling here is "latigo." I'm not sure that outside of PM Mat Marinas' articles in different magazines have I seen spelled or heard it pronounced as "latiko" and I've been to the North Luzon and to Southern Mindanao already. Still I do not dismiss the possibility that there are people who pronounce and spell it the other way. After all, the letters "k" and "g" (as in "go") belong to the same phonetic family." --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:47:20 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Kohn Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Guro Blade To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net We can only hope that Larry Wilcox is prospering...wherever he is. -Steve Kohn WoodyTX wrote: I know Erik Estrada is on Sealab 2021 on the Cartoon Channel, but I never knew what Larry Wilcox was up to. I guess that question's been answered. WoodyTX On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:44:11 +0000, All Blade wrote: > Guro Blade is Guro Blade. Guro J. Blade. > Retired CHP and very long time arnisador. > > Guro Blade > Always cuts deep t/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:26:01 -0800 (PST) From: Neur0mancer To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Folks to train with in the DC area Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello everyone, I'm in the Washington DC area for the next five weeks, and would like to find a group to work out with. I'm living in the Silver Spring area, but have a car. Any suggestions? Thanks, Greg Goldmakher ===== >From what I've tasted of desire, I hold with those who favor fire - Robert Frost __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:39:48 -0500 From: nephalim1@netscape.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Myron, Ernie, Lati(?)o, etc... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I still say it's with a "k"! Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha! And now, back to "observer" mode. Also, going back to studying/making the lati(k/g)os. Rob, thanks for the encouragement! "rob mulligan" wrote: >I did mention that i was just an old 'cano, didn't I? >The Philippines is a big place. >I guess there's room for a few k's and g's. >It's time to put this to bed. >Oh. I thought Crafty was a lawyer or something. >He sounds more like an english teacher. >Not bad! > >Rob > >P.S. "very unique" makes me grind my teeth; >almost as much as "joo-luh-ree" or "in as far as" (what happened to "is >concerned"?), >but let's stop now, as i do need my teeth. >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list,  2000 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:22:46 -0500 From: Buz Grover To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Training Kids, English RIP, Etc. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I find the easiest way to get my kids to train it to act like I want some peace and quiet to train solo. Within a couple minutes one of 'em will be along looking to hang out with dad. Also keep a bucket of various padded sticks, whiffle bats, etc. in the living room that always incites stick melees. Got my youngest a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle katana that makes real live sword sounds when swung; he now wakes me up most non-school mornings with the sword in one hand and the padded stick he wants me to attack him with in the other. He raps my knuckles on a regular basis; it's surprising how well his gawky five-year old mechanics gum up my game. They're also training when they don't know it. Whenever we roll around on the ground I'll throw in a BJJ finishing move. For awhile I was always getting them rear naked so then they'd start trying to do the same to me and get real happy when they made dad turn red. Went on to front chokes, wings, and figure 4s; keep throwing the same one at 'em 'til they pull it off on me and then move on. My daughter is really soaking it up. Though she's not going to start dating for a while, she has yet to figure out that her dad is making sure she'll know how to make the boys wince. Probably cut down on the legal bills arising from when the shotgun gets displayed to future suitors. Anyone have any experience with kids using their training inappropriately? Though we cover when it is and isn't appropriate to use force against another, and though the issue has yet to arise, I'm always a little concerned I'll get a "your kid just choked out a playmate" call. As for butchering English . . . I dunno, it's kinda a hobby of mine. I think the language's flexibility is one of it's joys, and I do like making fuddy-duddies squirm so I 'spose I'm a culprit. I do think, however, you should know what the rules are before you start breaking 'em, and also think communication is the end hence when the noise garbles the signal it's time to adhere to the rules. With that said, there is one thing that sends me up a tree: the propensity of many of the college students I work with to turn everything into a communal simile. It's like, you know, when some guy comes along and, like, compares everything, you know, to like, nothing while assuming, you know, you understand, like, what he's comparing it to, you know? Drives me, like, you know, batty. Regards, Buz Grover --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:35:36 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Kohn Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Blending Names To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Marc, Playing with words like this reminds me a little of sniglets from back in the day. -Steve Kohn Marc Denny wrote: Woof All: > Enough of this, "I know that's how you call it but I want to call it > this way." That's just plain disrespectful. I don't insist on spelling > Japan, Jap-anne or American, Amerikan. "Oh yes boss, I know it's not > right but that's the way I spell it in my report." I don't re-spell John > as Jon. Is it arnis, arniss or arnyss? Is it apple or apol? Juice or > Jews? When asked where my place of residence is I don't write > "Kalifornia". > > What's the point of studying an art, culture and its people if one will > not accept it and worse bastardize it anyway? If I may drift on a light-hearted tangent here? For some reason this reminds me of a day several years ago when Carl Franks was at my house and he showed me some Laotian Silat that he had learned from a little old Laotian man in Hawaii. Very interesting footwork btw! Carl was showing me how he was blending it with his BJJ and we started riffing on names for the blend: Jiu Silat; Juicy Lot; Jew See a Lot; Jew C. Lot, etc We thought we were pretty funny. Woof, Kosher Dog PS: Does anyone know the proper name for playing with words in this way? _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. 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