Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 03:03:30 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #28 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2000 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Origins of the word "escrima"? (brett boswinkle) 2. (no subject) (Manuel De Matos) 3. Re: Origins of the word "escrima"? (Ray Terry) 4. Re: Origins of the word "escrima" (Emanuel Hart) 5. Re: Running knife drills (jay de leon) 6. Roger Carpenter's Letter (Al Sardinas) 7. Re: Roger Carpenter in Iraq ? (Andrew Evans) 8. Re: Re: Roger Carpenter in Iraq ? (Ray Terry) 9. FMA in Mexico (garry bowlds) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "brett boswinkle" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Origins of the word "escrima"? Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:24:31 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net actually, I always heard that it comes from the Spanish word for "to skirmish" >From: >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [Eskrima] Origins of the word "escrima"? >Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:19:28 +0200 > >I've often heard that it comes from the Latin word for "skirmish" >but no one has ever told me what this word is. Does anyone know? >I've tried with all the Latin dictionaries I have and some online >and have not found a word that would resemble "escrima". So far I've >concluded that it really must come from Spanish "esgrima" for fencing. > >A synonyms for English word "skirmish" is "scrimmage" which sounds a >bit like "escrima" but what would be the latin equivalent for that? >One translation is "velitatio", which doesn't sound like "escrima" at >all. > >Anyone? > >- Marko >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list,  2000 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Manuel De Matos" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:40:33 +0800 Subject: [Eskrima] (no subject) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi guys, Can someone help me with in relation to running knike attack drills. In Hakarac Blade Boxing, we as part of our training curriculum do running knife attacks to multiple targets and opponents. The objective is to be striking on the move and not in a face-off situation. Can anyone help me with any input either positive, negative or simply other ways of training in this manner. Thank you, Manuel(Mannie) de Matos --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Origins of the word "escrima"? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:43:50 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > actually, I always heard that it comes from the Spanish word for "to > skirmish" I think that would be 'escaramuza', but Spanish is not one of my strengths. Reflect back to the latigo/latiko thread and consider esgrima/eskrima. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Emanuel Hart Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:47:06 +0100 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Origins of the word "escrima" Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net This is what I have found looking around here in France. As outlined by Jean Mathieu-Rosay in his etymologic dictionary: Escrime (french) appeared in the 15th century, from a southern dialect spoken by french and spanish, escrima or the verb escrimir. These words were comming from an earlier dialect called "francique", as the word "skirmjan" wich meant "to protect". Regards, ------- Emanuel Hart Inayan Masirib Guro www.inayaneskrima.com hart@inayaneskrima.com Inayan Systems International On 23 janv. 05, at 12:04, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net wrote: > -- __--__-- > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:19:28 +0200 > From: > To: > Subject: [Eskrima] Origins of the word "escrima"? > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > I've often heard that it comes from the Latin word for "skirmish" > but no one has ever told me what this word is. Does anyone know? > I've tried with all the Latin dictionaries I have and some online > and have not found a word that would resemble "escrima". So far I've > concluded that it really must come from Spanish "esgrima" for fencing. > > A synonyms for English word "skirmish" is "scrimmage" which sounds a > bit like "escrima" but what would be the latin equivalent for that? > One translation is "velitatio", which doesn't sound like "escrima" at > all. > > Anyone? > > - Marko --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:37:38 -0800 (PST) From: jay de leon To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Running knife drills Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Conceptually, you should handle it just like any multiple opponents drill, with or without weapons. Basic rules : Keep on moving. Move on the outside of an opponent such that you keep the rest in a line between you and the opponent you have engaged. That way, theoretically, you are engaging only one person at a time. Fight largo, and try not to get tied up (grabbed or tripped). It is usually end game if an attacker ties you up or pins you to the ground. (You may tie up a person and use him as a shield, as long as he is no position to tie you up.). Be aware where everybody is at any given time. If you want to ratchet up the training even more : Assign a number to each person. Each one has to know each other's number. The instructor shouts out a number. That person is "it," the defender. In the middle of the melee, the instructor shouts out a different number. Everybody has to quickly figure out who that person is, and shift the attack. We practice these drills with or without weapons, with different weapons. Can get intense sometimes, and you will need to armor up depending on what you are swinging. For anybody who watches this drill, it looks like there is more running than fighting. I call it a running stick/knife battle (from the expression a running gun battile). Tip : Start easy and simple. On the first pass, just move without hitting. Then just use empty hands, with open hands, slapping each other. And build up from there. A note of encouragement : Since students quickly learn the game, most of the time, the defender is toast. As a rule, the more restricted the space (like a dojo), the harder to defend. At one time, we practiced in a street alley--complete with parked cars, garbage cans, etc. The defender had a greater chance of survival if he could move (hit and run) fast, sometimes using environmental weapons.. Understand that the goal is to survive and escape, not "kill off" all the attackers. Hopefully, if you get yourself in this pickle in real life, the attackers will not be that knowledgeable (working as a team). If you practice this often enough, just like anything else, you get good at it. Jay de Leon Manuel De Matos wrote: Hi guys, Can someone help me with in relation to running knike attack drills. In Hakarac Blade Boxing, we as part of our training curriculum do running knife attacks to multiple targets and opponents. The objective is to be striking on the move and not in a face-off situation. Can anyone help me with any input either positive, negative or simply other ways of training in this manner. Thank you, Manuel(Mannie) de Matos _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Al Sardinas" To: Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:31:05 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Roger Carpenter's Letter Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net February 2005 Blackbelt Magazine Page 16 "Knife Articles a Welcome Addition" I recently picked up an issue of Black Belt in aPX here in Iraq. I've found the articles on knives and knife defense over the past few years to be interesting. My initial interest in the martial arts--and this magazine--began around 1960. In fact, I have every issue from the first 20 years of its publication. Back then, not nearly as much space was devoted to knives beyond traditional considerations, but things are different now. Today, at my USA Kansas Karate Institute, we teach Inayan eskrima with an emphasis on blades as part of our mixed-martial art curriculum. Early in my quest for total self-defense, my kempo instructor, George Pesare, and I became police officers and expert shooters with handguns, shotguns and rifles. We both still practice kicking and punching at our schools, but we have expanded the curriculum to deal with real-world considerations. Where I now work and teach in Iraq, I carry an automatic rifle, a handgun and seven knives. I also train regularly to make sure my empty-hand techniques still work. My advice to Black Belt readers who wish to build comprehensive self-defense ability so they're prepared for anything is, find a qualified instructor and never quit training. Roger Carpenter International Police Advisor Kirkuk, Iraq --__--__-- Message: 7 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: "Andrew Evans" Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:03:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Roger Carpenter in Iraq ? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Although I am not much help with the Black Belt magazine letter, I know that GM Roger Carpenter has been in Iraq for a while. I have to say that GM Carpenter is widely respected around Kansas as a living legend and pioneer of the martial arts (I'm always glad to see his name pop up in the national news). If nothing else, I'll contact one of his family members for an update. Here's some past links regarding his work overseas: http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/world/8050076.htm?1c http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04109/301982.stm (use CTRL+F to get to his article) http://www.twincities.com/mld/charlotte/news/nation/8438323.htm?1c Take care, Andrew Evans www.TopekaKarate.com _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Roger Carpenter in Iraq ? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:37:28 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Although I am not much help with the Black Belt magazine letter, I know that > GM Roger Carpenter has been in Iraq for a while. > > I have to say that GM Carpenter is widely respected around Kansas as a > living legend and pioneer of the martial arts (I'm always glad to see his > name pop up in the national news). If nothing else, I'll contact one of his > family members for an update. > > Here's some past links regarding his work overseas: > http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/world/8050076.htm?1c > http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04109/301982.stm (use CTRL+F to get to his > article) > http://www.twincities.com/mld/charlotte/news/nation/8438323.htm?1c Much thanks for Al for posting the letter and for Andrew's info above. Yes, GM Carpenter is a real living legend and it was a real honor meeting and training with him during his visits to San Jose. He really puts his training on the line in places like Bosnia, East Timor, Kosovo and Iraq... an amazing man, esp given he is 60 something, as I recall. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:00:27 -0800 (PST) From: garry bowlds To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] FMA in Mexico Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello All! I am currently in Oaxaca, Mexico. I will be travelling around Mexico for the next 4-8 weeks with no set travel plans. Just travelling around the country going from place to place at whim. I am looking for a place to train in the country or for some schools which would like a seminar on Serrada Escrima. I have been studying and teaching Serrada for almost 30 years. See www.escrimador.tk for more info on my background. I can be reached at gurogarry@yahoo.com. Guro Garry Bowlds __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest