Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:28:12 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #29 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2000 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Rapido Realismo Warrior and Mastery Camp (isagani abon) 2. Re: FMA in Mexico (George Mason) 3. Re: Origins of the word "escrima"? (Ken Borowiec/Rudolph Research Analytical) 4. Re: Origins of the word 'escrima' (Young Forest) 5. Multiple Knives (Steven Lefebvre) 6. Re: Multiple Knives (Ray Terry) 7. Guro Garry in Mexico (John Montes) 8. Re: Re: Running knife drills (Ray Terry) 9. esgrima-spanish for "fencing" (Ryan Greene) 10. Re: Running knife drills game (Van Harn, Steve) 11. history help (Matt ) 12. Re: history help (Steve Kohn) 13. Re: history help (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 04:19:05 -0800 (PST) From: isagani abon To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Rapido Realismo Warrior and Mastery Camp Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, Just wanted to let everyone know that Punong Guro Henry E. Espera and Rapido Realismo will be holding the Rapido Realismo Warrior and mastery Camp here in Manila or Silang, Cavite for another in his continuing Rapido Realismo Training Events/seminars. The dates will be April 25 – May 9 2005 , a Full two week long training. Punong Guro Espera are also be available for private instruction. He is looking and recruiting interested individual who wanted to become certified Rapido Realismo Instructors. For more information please go to www.angelfire.com/art2/rapidorealismo Gumagalang, Isagani Abon combatpamuok@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 07:12:48 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: George Mason To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] FMA in Mexico Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Gurro Gary, Hope you have a wonderful time in Mexico. I love going down there. And as cold as it is here right now I wish I was there with you. best regards Hope you have a safe trip. Geo the Bear ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Ken Borowiec/Rudolph Research Analytical" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Origins of the word "escrima"? Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:56:44 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Isn't it spanish for fencing. The name Eskrima is the Filipino spelling which comes from Spanish-language esgrima, "fencing". Found it here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskrima#History Kenny ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 4:19 PM Subject: [Eskrima] Origins of the word "escrima"? > I've often heard that it comes from the Latin word for "skirmish" > but no one has ever told me what this word is. Does anyone know? > I've tried with all the Latin dictionaries I have and some online > and have not found a word that would resemble "escrima". So far I've > concluded that it really must come from Spanish "esgrima" for fencing. > > A synonyms for English word "skirmish" is "scrimmage" which sounds a > bit like "escrima" but what would be the latin equivalent for that? > One translation is "velitatio", which doesn't sound like "escrima" at > all. > > Anyone? > > - Marko > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Young Forest" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:57:23 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Origins of the word 'escrima' Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >actually, I always heard that it comes from the Spanish word for "to >skirmish" You might also want to look at: http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=skirmish&searchmode=none Badger Siling Labuyo Arnis --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Steven Lefebvre" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:07:47 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Multiple Knives Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Mr. Carpenter, Great post! As you know the advantage of carrying or using multiple blades how do you affix them to your equipment rig? Do you have them placed on the upper chest rig as well as the belt rig? Stay safe! Gumagalang Guro Steve L. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Multiple Knives To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 08:21:05 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Hello Mr. Carpenter, ??? To the best of my knowledge Roger Carpenter is not reading the digest. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 08:32:07 -0800 (PST) From: John Montes To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Guro Garry in Mexico Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey Guro, sounds fun! I have a mutual friend of your nephew's who introduced me to you whos name is Robert (Rob actually intro'd me to your nephew). Rob's grandfather is actually a governor of a state (which one I don't know), but I do know that some of the cousins that live on the governors ranch practice martial arts, and are interested in FMA. If I can get ahold of him, I'll email you w/ the info. It's been too long Guro! I hope you're having fun out there, please be careful, as I hear esp. that in and around Mexico city can be very dangerous for us Americanos. I do know that there are communities of Filipinos in Mex, but where, you got me. Your Friend, ~John Montes --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Running knife drills To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 08:58:49 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Can someone help me with in relation to running knike attack drills. > In Hakarac Blade Boxing, we as part of our training curriculum do running > knife attacks to multiple targets and opponents. The objective is to be > striking on the move and not in a face-off situation. > Can anyone help me with any input either positive, negative or simply other > ways of training in this manner. Mannie, One thing that I stress is try to not let yourself remain boxed in. We do this by starting from a boxed in, cornered, position. Consider that you're in a mens room, narrow, small area, only one way to the exit door and out of the room. Put the student in these realistic situations and show/demo ways to deal with the problem. Also consider that you have multiple attackers and you're all in this confined area. Give ideas/concepts for surviving and then allow the student to practice. And always remind the student that the fact they've been cut in the process is normal, they should expect to get cut... their only job is to survive the encounter. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Ryan Greene" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:43:18 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] esgrima-spanish for "fencing" Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Maybe the whole "skirmish" concept predates it, but the word esgrima directly translates to "fencing" in Spanish. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Van Harn, Steve" To: "'eskrima@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:55:47 -0600 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Running knife drills game Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net jay de leon Wrote: A note of encouragement : Since students quickly learn the game, most of the time, the defender is toast. As a rule, the more restricted the space (like a dojo), the harder to defend. At one time, we practiced in a street alley--complete with parked cars, garbage cans, etc. The defender had a greater chance of survival if he could move (hit and run) fast, sometimes using environmental weapons.. Understand that the goal is to survive and escape, not "kill off" all the attackers. Hopefully, if you get yourself in this pickle in real life, the attackers will not be that knowledgeable (working as a team). If you practice this often enough, just like anything else, you get good at it. Jay de Leon Comment FWIW: A friend in LA told me that a part of their advanced rank tests he put the students through was an environmental test of several city blocks from point A to point B. All the fellow students got to take positions and attacks of their choice along the route. Ranking students goal is just to make it to point B. Steve Van Harn --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Matt " To: Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:42:31 -0600 Organization: Audio Construction Inc Subject: [Eskrima] history help Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I have been receiving the forums for a while and I look forward daily to read the pieces of knowledge those wiser than me share here, I don't write much because my knowledge on the subject is very young, I have only been studying 1 1/2 years in my quest for knowledge I am trying to find information on the birthplaces of Grandmaster Angel Cabales and Master Max Sarmiento, I have searched the internet and my local library but can't seem to find the answer to the birthplace question. If any of you could point me in the right direction I would appreciate it Thanks Matt Peterson -----Original Message----- From: Ray Terry [mailto:rterry@idiom.com] Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 3:50 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Origins of the word "escrima"? > I've often heard that it comes from the Latin word for "skirmish" > but no one has ever told me what this word is. Does anyone know? > I've tried with all the Latin dictionaries I have and some online > and have not found a word that would resemble "escrima". So far I've > concluded that it really must come from Spanish "esgrima" for fencing. > > A synonyms for English word "skirmish" is "scrimmage" which sounds a > bit like "escrima" but what would be the latin equivalent for that? > One translation is "velitatio", which doesn't sound like "escrima" at > all. > > Anyone? I believe you are correct. It has nothing to do with skirmish, but comes from the spanish word esgrima. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:56:08 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Kohn Subject: Re: [Eskrima] history help To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Something tells me that Ray Terry might have this info for you. I've been told that Inayan Escrima contains elements of the arts created by both of these gentlemen. Best, Steve Kohn Matt wrote: I have been receiving the forums for a while and I look forward daily to read the pieces of knowledge those wiser than me share here, I don't write much because my knowledge on the subject is very young, I have only been studying 1 1/2 years in my quest for knowledge I am trying to find information on the birthplaces of Grandmaster Angel Cabales and Master Max Sarmiento, I have searched the internet and my local library but can't seem to find the answer to the birthplace question. If any of you could point me in the right direction I would appreciate it Thanks Matt Peterson -----Original Message----- From: Ray Terry [mailto:rterry@idiom.com] Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 3:50 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Origins of the word "escrima"? > I've often heard that it comes from the Latin word for "skirmish" > but no one has ever told me what this word is. Does anyone know? > I've tried with all the Latin dictionaries I have and some online > and have not found a word that would resemble "escrima". So far I've > concluded that it really must come from Spanish "esgrima" for fencing. > > A synonyms for English word "skirmish" is "scrimmage" which sounds a > bit like "escrima" but what would be the latin equivalent for that? > One translation is "velitatio", which doesn't sound like "escrima" at > all. > > Anyone? I believe you are correct. It has nothing to do with skirmish, but comes from the spanish word esgrima. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' --__--__-- Message: 13 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] history help To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:21:57 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Something tells me that Ray Terry might have this info for you. I've been > told that Inayan Escrima contains elements of the arts created by both of > these gentlemen. Something that I should probably know/remember, but I don't. Angel's birth place might be mentioned in Wiley's book on Serrada. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest