Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:19:46 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #31 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2000 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Re: Origins of the word 'escrima' (marko.ronkainen@nokia.com) 2. Thanks to the Dog Brothers! (Alvis W. Solis) 3. RE: hello brothers and sisters! i need information! (Wieneke, Myron) 4. Re: hello brothers and sisters! i need information! (david foggie) 5. Re: Info on a system (Jared Dame) 6. Re: Thanks to the Dog Brothers! (Jared Dame) 7. Re: Thanks to the Dog Brothers! (iPat) 8. Re: hello brothers and sisters! i need information! (iPat) 9. Re: hello brothers and sisters! i need information! (Ray Terry) 10. Re: hello brothers and sisters! i need information! (Ken Borowiec/Rudolph Research Analytical) --__--__-- Message: 1 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: Origins of the word 'escrima' Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:10:00 +0200 From: To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net OK, I'm beginning to see how the mix-up has happened. Somebody, somewhere has probably done some ethymology work on the term and found that the word for "skirmish" (or "scrimmage") resembles "escrima" in the languages of the Latin culture area (Spanish, Italian, France, maybe Portuguese) and people reading about this theory have mixed it up so that they think it is a word from the Latin language (which it is not). Be it as it may, I still find the word "esgrima" to be a more probable source. Unless somebody has more some concrete evidence to prove other sources for it? - Marko > -----Original Message----- > From: ext Young Forest [mailto:young_forest@hotmail.com] > Sent: 24 January, 2005 17:57 > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Origins of the word 'escrima' > > > >actually, I always heard that it comes from the Spanish word for "to > >skirmish" > > You might also want to look at: > > http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=skirmish&searchmode=none > > Badger > Siling Labuyo Arnis > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Alvis W. Solis" To: Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:26:55 -0600 Organization: Solis Martial Arts Academy Subject: [Eskrima] Thanks to the Dog Brothers! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof! On Saturday, I received my Black Belt in Machado Jiu-Jitsu from Carlos Machado. I wanted to just say thanks to the Dog Brothers for introducing me to Carlos and his Brothers. Thanks Marc, Eric, and Arlan! Alvis W. Solis Solis Martial Arts Academy www.solismartialarts.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Wieneke, Myron" To: "'eskrima@martialartsresource.net'" Subject: RE: [Eskrima] hello brothers and sisters! i need information! Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:11:27 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Kamagong is a very hard almost ebony black wood that is also very heavy. In the past it was used during combat. I wouldn't use it for practicing against another stick, however I use my for practicing forms and strengthening my arms. After a good practice session with kamagongs the normal sticks feel very light and you'll find yourself much faster as well. With regards to arnis and eskrima, actually there are differences between the two. The art of eskrima emphasizes bladed weapon movements even when using a stick. In other words the style "assumes" that your weapon has an edge on it and so the strikes are always based on this "blade side edge". Arnis is very similar but there are more things that you can do with a style that is more honed for a non-edged weapon (though arnis still does emphasize that you be conscious of where the blade-edge would have been). Eg. abaniko (fan) is an arnis strike, not an eskrima strike. My two cents. Myron -----Original Message----- From: Ray Terry [mailto:rterry@idiom.com] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 7:25 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] hello brothers and sisters! i need information! > does anyone know of an eskrima or arnis instructor in the san diego, ca > area? There may be some listed in the FMA Instructor Database. > ... i visited > quiapo in manila and attained some eskrima sticks made from kumugong wood. > is that good wood to use? It is a rare, pretty and very hard wood. Don't hit them against anything really solid or they may break. > what is the difference between arnis and eskrima? Different words for the same/similar arts. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima ============================================================================== This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. ============================================================================== --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:16:22 -0800 (PST) From: david foggie Subject: Re: [Eskrima] hello brothers and sisters! i need information! To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Often the sticks sold as kamagong in Quiapo are not really kamagong. Having spent 8 months in teh Philippines last year, I found the sticks there to be of inferior quality. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:21:11 -0700 From: Jared Dame To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Info on a system Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://www.ninjutsu.com/shihan-van-donk.shtml Is this guy for real? Also I stuided martial arts in Japan and never knew of anyone that gave out names to their students.....Anyway if someone has a picture of the Grandmaster and Van Donk that might settle down questions, however the other burning question that I have with every person that claims to be a guro is where did you learn and is there any information on that instructor,. Anyway I guess the only real way to tell whether he knows anything about escrima is to get him in a room and spar......dog brother style! Or if hes worried maybe a couple of pads later, J On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:21:13 -0800 (PST), Ray Terry wrote: > > I recently came across "information" stating that a certain ninja person is > > the Grandmaster (inheirited) of Mr. Gilbert Tenio's Decuerdas system. > > Any truth to this? > > Let me guess... Dick Van Donk in Santa Cruz? > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > -- Jared Dame jareddame@gmail.com "If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things." Rene Descartes --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:46:33 -0700 From: Jared Dame To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Thanks to the Dog Brothers! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Big accomplishment! Congradulations! On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:26:55 -0600, Alvis W. Solis wrote: > Woof! > > On Saturday, I received my Black Belt in Machado Jiu-Jitsu from Carlos > Machado. I wanted to just say thanks to the Dog Brothers for introducing > me to Carlos and his Brothers. Thanks Marc, Eric, and Arlan! > > Alvis W. Solis > Solis Martial Arts Academy > www.solismartialarts.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > -- Jared Dame jareddame@gmail.com "If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things." Rene Descartes --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:47:46 +0000 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Thanks to the Dog Brothers! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net congratulations. It has to be well earnt! On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:26:55 -0600, Alvis W. Solis wrote: > Woof! > > On Saturday, I received my Black Belt in Machado Jiu-Jitsu from Carlos > Machado. I wanted to just say thanks to the Dog Brothers for introducing > me to Carlos and his Brothers. Thanks Marc, Eric, and Arlan! > > Alvis W. Solis > Solis Martial Arts Academy > www.solismartialarts.com -- iPat live for today, live for tomorrow "Truth is a pathless land. Man cannot come to it through any organisation, through any creed, through any dogma, priest or ritual, nor through any philosophic knowledge or psychological technique. He has to find it through the mirror of relationship, through the understanding of the contents of his own mind, through observation and not through intellectual analysis or introspective dissection..." --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:49:34 +0000 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] hello brothers and sisters! i need information! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >From over the last 8 years on here, i understand its also illegal to export the wood as its becoming very rare. On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:16:22 -0800 (PST), david foggie wrote: > Often the sticks sold as kamagong in Quiapo are not really kamagong. Having spent 8 months in teh Philippines last year, I found the sticks there to be of inferior quality. -- iPat live for today, live for tomorrow "Truth is a pathless land. Man cannot come to it through any organisation, through any creed, through any dogma, priest or ritual, nor through any philosophic knowledge or psychological technique. He has to find it through the mirror of relationship, through the understanding of the contents of his own mind, through observation and not through intellectual analysis or introspective dissection..." --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] hello brothers and sisters! i need information! To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:47:21 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > With regards to arnis and eskrima, actually there are differences between the > two. The art of eskrima emphasizes bladed weapon movements even when using a > stick. In other words the style "assumes" that your weapon has an edge on it > and so the strikes are always based on this "blade side edge". One counter example is Doce Pares Eskrima. More stick oriented than blade. I'm sure there are more. > Arnis is very > similar but there are more things that you can do with a style that is more > honed for a non-edged weapon (though arnis still does emphasize that you be > conscious of where the blade-edge would have been). Eg. abaniko (fan) is an > arnis strike, not an eskrima strike. Abaniko is very much a part of eskrima. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Ken Borowiec/Rudolph Research Analytical" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] hello brothers and sisters! i need information! Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:09:55 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I studied (and hope to again as soon as my shoulder heals) Doce Pares escrima under Guru Don Edwards. At no point are we taught to "turn" the stick as you would a bladed weapon. This may be unique to Doce Pares since my knowledge is limited to this style. But none of it reflects this "blade side edge" style of fighting. Could it be that you have that reversed and arnis is treated this way. I remember a seminar where Guru Bustillio told a story where the blade style you speak of was used until a legend in the art( i cannot recall his name) realized that it was useless to use this style of fighting with a stick because it limits the potential of the fighters strikes and so re-built the system to different strikes when using a stick as compared to a blade. As I said this may only apply to Doce Pares Eskrima. Kenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wieneke, Myron" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:11 AM Subject: RE: [Eskrima] hello brothers and sisters! i need information! > Kamagong is a very hard almost ebony black wood that is also very heavy. In > the past it was used during combat. I wouldn't use it for practicing against > another stick, however I use my for practicing forms and strengthening my > arms. After a good practice session with kamagongs the normal sticks feel > very light and you'll find yourself much faster as well. > > With regards to arnis and eskrima, actually there are differences between the > two. The art of eskrima emphasizes bladed weapon movements even when using a > stick. In other words the style "assumes" that your weapon has an edge on it > and so the strikes are always based on this "blade side edge". Arnis is very > similar but there are more things that you can do with a style that is more > honed for a non-edged weapon (though arnis still does emphasize that you be > conscious of where the blade-edge would have been). Eg. abaniko (fan) is an > arnis strike, not an eskrima strike. > > My two cents. > > Myron > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Terry [mailto:rterry@idiom.com] > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 7:25 PM > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] hello brothers and sisters! i need information! > > > > does anyone know of an eskrima or arnis instructor in the san diego, ca > > area? > > There may be some listed in the FMA Instructor Database. > > > ... i visited > > quiapo in manila and attained some eskrima sticks made from kumugong wood. > > is that good wood to use? > > It is a rare, pretty and very hard wood. Don't hit them against anything > really solid or they may break. > > > what is the difference between arnis and eskrima? > > Different words for the same/similar arts. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > > ============================================================================ == > This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received > this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was > misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB > retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. > Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they > are confirmed by us. 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