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RE: Originally, Judo may be from Tibet (barry meadows) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:16:41 -0600 From: WoodyTX To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Video > "San Miguel Eskrima Grandmasters" Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Translation for us Americans, please? Just a hint? WoodyTX On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:35:39 -0800, Earlwin Famor wrote: > I was just laughing so hard about > that lady's banter in the background. I don't know her, but she's hilarious. > She reminds me of someone I know. > > Anyway, I won't tell you the joke, because it only applies to Visayans. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:13:45 -0700 From: Nat Nickele To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: X-treme Belt Ranking Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey all, When I was in college, I met a girl who told me she was a 2nd degree black belt in Ed Parker Kenpo. I asked her how long she studied. She said >almost< two years. I thought that SHE had been moved up quite quickly through the ranks until she took me to one of her friend's BB promotions. This kid was 15 and was being promoted to something like 6th degree BB after 3 1/2 years. Needless to say that, not only were there more BBs than any other rank at that school (well maybe not quite, but it seemed that way), but they also had grandmaster sized egos. I got a chance to spar with some of them. None of them could fight AT ALL! I am not that great at MA in general, so it is not like I'm trying to brag about how good I am or anything, but holy cow, it was good for my ego. :) Then, to top it all off, some of them wanted to show some "Escrima." Sad sad sad. As Geoff Thomson (did I get that right?) would say, graduates of Captian Karate's Self Esteem Academy. Personally, I think this is a prime example of irresponsible teaching. What happens is little Jonny is so confident in his 67 & 1/3 degree black belt that truely believes that he can handle any situation, no matter how bad. Therefore, little Jonny BB lets himself get into (or looks for) risky situations. I have seen a 4'11" female 1st degree BB in TKD pick a fight with several drunken basketball men (of the 6', 250 pound variety) with all the confidence of one who is picking a fight with preschoolers. Definately a case of "the Emporer's New Clothes." Most of these MAs are headed for some serious reality checks because their teachers set them up for disaster. Just my rambling $0.02, -Nat --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: X-treme Belt Ranking Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:40:33 -0500 Organization: I.M.P.A.C.T. Academy of Martial Arts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Wow. That sure doesn't sound like any Parker Kenpo school I've ever encountered. I wonder if they were Parker Kenpo at all or if they were just seeing how long they could get away with using the name. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Nat Nickele [mailto:natnickele@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 7:14 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: X-treme Belt Ranking Hey all, When I was in college, I met a girl who told me she was a 2nd degree black belt in Ed Parker Kenpo. I asked her how long she studied. She said >almost< two years. I thought that SHE had been moved up quite quickly through the ranks until she took me to one of her friend's BB promotions. This kid was 15 and was being promoted to something like 6th degree BB after 3 1/2 years. Needless to say that, not only were there more BBs than any other rank at that school (well maybe not quite, but it seemed that way), but they also had grandmaster sized egos. I got a chance to spar with some of them. None of them could fight AT ALL! I am not that great at MA in general, so it is not like I'm trying to brag about how good I am or anything, but holy cow, it was good for my ego. :) Then, to top it all off, some of them wanted to show some "Escrima." Sad sad sad. As Geoff Thomson (did I get that right?) would say, graduates of Captian Karate's Self Esteem Academy. Personally, I think this is a prime example of irresponsible teaching. What happens is little Jonny is so confident in his 67 & 1/3 degree black belt that truely believes that he can handle any situation, no matter how bad. Therefore, little Jonny BB lets himself get into (or looks for) risky situations. I have seen a 4'11" female 1st degree BB in TKD pick a fight with several drunken basketball men (of the 6', 250 pound variety) with all the confidence of one who is picking a fight with preschoolers. Definately a case of "the Emporer's New Clothes." Most of these MAs are headed for some serious reality checks because their teachers set them up for disaster. Just my rambling $0.02, -Nat _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Jorge Penafiel" To: Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:48:58 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Belts and Ranking in MA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Aaahh well,,,Belts and Ranking in MA, always a good table topic and so thought I might as well get in too... Martial Arts just like anything made and created by man have a purpose - its good and serves as all well. Not perfect though in some ways like the ranking or belts system adopted by some thus our discords. For me, since MA is an activity involving at least two or more individuals (teacher to student/group, class, etc). we need to put in the variables to place things into prespective such as whose in charge, identity, clarity, order, ,sanity and economics among other things else. It's just plain human nature... In addition, it adds color to the art. In the olden days, white is the color for most MA uniforms and now we have them virtually in any color and design of our choice. Time and concepts indeed brings changes but others just do things more differently, sometimes way overboard. Hey,,,it's there prerogative, makes them happy, makes their business successful - it's commercialism,,,got to pay the bills and fed the family. So, we may agree to disagree but that is Martial Arts today to some. MA purist just wink your eyes and nod... Gumagalang, Jorge V. Penafiel --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Defensive Tactics" To: Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 03:33:17 +1000 Subject: [Eskrima] 15th dan Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In response to the questions and remarks concerning Hatsumi's ranking as 15th dan, I am sending a link that I got from a friend who is in the bujinkan art of Soke Hatsumi. http://www.bujinkansf.org/faq/#ranks Bill Maharlika Kuntao Guam --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:52:55 -0800 (PST) From: Bart Hubbard To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Earlwin and the San Miguel Vid Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey Earlwin, I'm glad you liked the video. However, when you start a post with: "Holy shit, I just saw the video San Miguel Eskrima Grandmasters. That has gotta to be the funniest shit I have ever seen!" ...it sounds like your trying to start "sh@*". From reading the rest of the post, I know your intentions were actually good. But next time you should work on your presentation a bit or put a little more thought and consideration into your opening line because it showed a lack of respect. ===== Be Cool. Bart Hubbard Capital Doce Pares www.capitaldocepares.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:44:35 -0800 (PST) From: jj gayo Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Earlwin and the San Miguel Vid To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net same goes here...just be cool...you know how it is there, some people just lack the true nature on how to appreciate and respect talent skills. viva Bart Hubbard wrote: Hey Earlwin, I'm glad you liked the video. However, when you start a post with: "Holy shit, I just saw the video San Miguel Eskrima Grandmasters. That has gotta to be the funniest shit I have ever seen!" ...it sounds like your trying to start "sh@*". From reading the rest of the post, I know your intentions were actually good. But next time you should work on your presentation a bit or put a little more thought and consideration into your opening line because it showed a lack of respect. ===== Be Cool. Bart Hubbard Capital Doce Pares www.capitaldocepares.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "barry meadows" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: X-treme Belt Ranking Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:46:06 +0000 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Nat, I agree.Ive seen the same thing.It is not only silly.But it is also dangerous for those promoted in such fashion.Unhealthly over-confidence is a killer every time. Barry Meadows --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "barry meadows" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Originally, Judo may be from Tibet Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:52:40 +0000 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Peter, With all due respect you are mistaken.Kano was the founder of Judo.He was already a jujitsu expert.I have found no evidense whatsoever that he went to Tibet. You were just making a joke right? Barry Meadows >From: "Peter Gow" >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [Eskrima] Originally, Judo may be from Tibet >Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:33:26 +0000 > >Dear Barry, > >You question Judo coming from the mainland? I did a little  research and >found that judo originally came from Tibet - two Japanese monks went >there to study and brought judo back to Japan. Yes, I know this sounds >like an episode from monkey with Tribitaka as the boy monk leading the >way. > > >Ninjitso and Judo "Influenced" absolutly,but coming directly from the >main > >land..??? > >Im not so sure of that part." > >Regards, > >Peter Gow > >Australia >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest