Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 03:03:29 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #43 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2000 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. The Edge 2005 - Pre-Registration (Larry St. Clair) 2. PI hardwoods (Van Harn, Steve) 3. Time to End this 15th Dan Thread (Peter Gow) 4. Ray you are correct. (Peter Gow) 5. kamagong (Ryan Greene) 6. Pekiti Tirsia Kali/San Miguel Eskrima Seminar (Stephen Lamade) 7. San Miguel form (Ray Terry) 8. Re: Originally, Judo may be from Tibet (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Larry St. Clair" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:25:39 -0600 Subject: [Eskrima] The Edge 2005 - Pre-Registration Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Everyone! Just wanted to give you a heads up that our first Pre-Registration period will expire today. The current Pre-Registration fee is only $40 for The Edge 2005. After today the next block will cost $50. Let us know if you are interested as soon as you can and we will do our best to accomodate. Also we have places for everyone to stay and can even arrange a shuttle from the airport if you are traveling. We will have more information on the Rules Seminar coming up Saturday, February 26th. Thanks to everyone for all the great support. Sincerely, Larry St. Clair The Edge 2005 www.edgefighting.com 512-339-8264 --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Van Harn, Steve" To: "Eskrima Digest (E-mail)" Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:58:25 -0600 Subject: [Eskrima] PI hardwoods Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net While we're on the subject, I picked up an unidentified pair of sticks in the PI this summer. Hope someone might be able to positively identify them. Got them from a vendor in Cebu. 28-30"(yep two different sticks). Tapered from the middle to the ends(both). The center is about 1 1/4" and the very tip is around 7/8" and the center has a bit of barely noticeable flatness to it. Didn't even pick up on it until held in the center and twirled. They are sealed somewhat with what almost appears to be acrylic at first glance, not very porous. At first I thought they were Bahi but the shade is what is unusual. It appears they may have been cut near the heartwood. One side(lengthwise) is a nice deep brown but the other half is almost honey colored(could be the acrylic). Definitely heavy sticks but not on the order of Kamagong. Smooth grain between mahogany and bahi. More like mahogany. I really like the sticks. The dual taper makes for a very nice movement and stimulates muscles. Heavy without being tip heavy. Anyone seen sticks like these or think they can identify the species? My guess is more along the lines of Molave but I haven't been able to find definitive pics. Thanks Steve --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Peter Gow" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:30:11 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Time to End this 15th Dan Thread Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net David, We have discussed this face to face at length before and we both agree on certain points of view. What your talking about is more of the old fashioned traditional system where a student was not given a grade until a certain standard was reached "that the teacher was satisfied with" Eg: Student to Master etc. The following is not related to you Dave. I have met a few people who pontificate this view point and say that the grading is only a ceremony and that the real grading is done during the training - all these people turned out to be just as commercially motivated as other teachers.  Also I have heard stories of people being graded without a grading - this turned out to be political Eg: 4th Dans to Shihans etc. Anyway we all have viewpoints different though they may be and this thread which I may have energised has really been going on for a while now and we should shift to something more relevant to FMA. Regards, Peter Gow  Australia --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Peter Gow" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:39:25 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Ray you are correct. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ray, >From my reaseach it was the forrunner of modern judo, it may have possibly been the original  jujitsu. Kano did alter this to come up with judo the sport style. So he left out and modified some, (alot who knows) the style to make it safe as a sport. This would imply that there may have been some dangerous moves.  Jujitsu itself is very hard to trace, for me anyway. >Are you thinking of one of the JuJutsu styles?  Judo isn't all that old (just >over 100 years) and was Dr. Kano's creation. >Ray Terry Regards, Peter Gow Australia   --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Ryan Greene" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:04:09 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] kamagong Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I attended a competition in about '95 in Stockton, where they attempted to use kamagong. It seems that the promoter thought this would be a good thing, using "real fighting sticks." They went through about 14 pairs of sticks before they broke them all and had to switch to rattan. It was quite entertaining for the crowd however, as it was quite interactive, with ducking the flying kamagong shards and all. It's beautiful wood, but I wouldn't put my faith in it if things hit the fan. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Stephen Lamade" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 01:22:00 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Pekiti Tirsia Kali/San Miguel Eskrima Seminar Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Wes Tasker and I will be teaching two seminars in Whitestone, (Queens) N.Y. and Allston (Boston) MA, on April 30 and June 4, respectively. The focus of the seminars will be a comparison of the espada y daga techniques of Pekiti-Tirsia Kali (taught by Wes Tasker) and San Miguel Eskrima (taught by Steve Lamade). The seminar is thematic insofar as techniques shown in one martial art will be shown to have counterparts in the other. It is therefore appropriate for those with experience in martial arts that employ stick or edged weapons. Beginners are welcome but are encouraged to bring a partner. For further information: http://northshoreac.com/san_miguel_eskrima/seminars.htm Best, Steve Lamade --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:04:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] San Miguel form Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Pekiti-Tirsia Kali (taught by Wes Tasker) and San Miguel Eskrima (taught by > Steve Lamade). Steve, Do you know... Is there a video available that shows Momoy performing the entire San Miguel form? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Originally, Judo may be from Tibet To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:12:08 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Human civilization has been around a good while. We all think of martial > arts originating in the orient. But at the same time, we have record of > other civilizations going to war way before the time of the origins of > martial arts as we know them. > > What does anyone know of the fighting of these peoples? For example, did > the Sumarians have a fighting art? If so what was it? Wrestling is probably the oldest hand-to-hand martial art on earth, yes? Wrestling contests go back at least to the Bible (the story of Jacob, the grandson of Abraham) and documented contests and teachings in Egypt. Can't recall now... wrestling may even be mentioned in the Epic of Gilgamesh. EoG from Sumeria, perhaps the oldest written story on Earth, dating to c2600 BC. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest