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(Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "barry meadows" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: Originally, Judo may be from Tibet Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 00:23:16 +0000 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net This is true, but if you ask "who invented or founded a specific style of wrestling" the question would have a specific anwser.Just like with Judo.It had a specific founder from which it originates. Kano was also the founder of Escrima/Kali/Arnis..............Just kidding. Barry Meadows >From: "Todd Ellner" >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Originally, Judo may be from Tibet >Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:04:36 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) > >People have always wrestled. It's one of the things that people just _do_. >The Sumerians wrestled. The Chinese, Greeks, Hebrews, Polynesians and Inuit >wrestled. If you want to ask who "invented" wrestling you'll have to go >back to a primitive monkey millions of years ago. >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "barry meadows" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] kamagong Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 00:38:32 +0000 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I agree,Ill stick with my rattan.Even in battle.On the same note Ill stick with a "lighter" version also. I dont like the speed I sacrifice with heavier sticks.I can get in at least a third more strikes in the corse of a fight.When I switch to a heavier stick in full contact or training, it throughs me off. But then again I like the forty-five auto over the 9mm.Even if you do get more rounds.But all I gotta do is pull a trigger with a gun.Lol B.Meadows >From: "Ryan Greene" >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [Eskrima] kamagong >Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:04:09 -0800 > >I attended a competition in about '95 in Stockton, where they >attempted to use kamagong. It seems that the promoter thought this >would be a good thing, using "real fighting sticks." They went >through about 14 pairs of sticks before they broke them all and had to >switch to rattan. It was quite entertaining for the crowd however, as >it was quite interactive, with ducking the flying kamagong shards and >all. > >It's beautiful wood, but I wouldn't put my faith in it if things hit >the fan. >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:37:33 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hamilton To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Belts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "...A belt is just that, a belt... WoodyTX" Can't agree more. How many times has "Joe Cocky" asked if we have a black belt? I always say "Nope, my pants have elastic." They look at me like I'm silly and then walk off, problem solved :) I train because I find it fun and helps my growth as a person. Anyone who trains with me figures out where I'm at in skill *then corrects my form*. lol respects -Brian __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 19:06:11 -0800 (PST) From: david foggie Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Bot Jocano and rank To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Nice article Jay. It is great to read your submissions promoting the warrior arts of the Philippines and the masters themselves. In regards to the senior masters of Lightning Scientific Arnis, I would like to draw your attention to Mang Vicente R. Sanchez. Mang Vic as he is affectionately referred to, met Mang Ben during the filming of Master Roland Dante's film "Sticks Of Death". Later in Manila, while Master Roland undertaking some private training under Mang Ben, he invited Mang Vic to attend. The rest as they say is history as Mang Vic then became a student of Mang Ben and went on to complete the Lightning Scientific Arnis system. In fact, Mang Vic is also featured in the Lightning Scientific Arnis video with Mang Ben and Maestro Elmer which was produced by Mandirigma. This can be confirmed by my good friend Bot Jocano who met with myself and Mang Vic in Manila just before I returned to Australia last year. Incidently, mang Vic was also a student of Professor Remy A. Presas and is ranked at 8th degree black belt in modern arnis. I noticed that both he and Master Roland Dantes were not listed in the modern arnis part of your article. Both these men are widely known inside the Philippines for their close relationship with Professor Remy, appeared with him in his books printed there and accompanied him overseas to demonstrate on teach modern arnis. Just thought I would let others know. Keep up the good work. david --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' --__--__-- Message: 5 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: X-treme Belt Ranking Systems Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:42:08 +0200 From: To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net One comment about titles from my point of view. In English language, especially among American people, you seem to use the word "professor" (even "doctor" sometimes) as a title of respect (even Webster Dictionary defines professor as someone who is skilled in his profession). To me, as a Finnish person that sounds odd, since in Finnish "professori" (same as "professor" in English) is strictly an academic title for one who has the office of professor (professorship/academic chair) in a university or college. And "doctor" is definately one who has the academic degree of a doctor. Even then the title is not usually mentioned if it is not relevant to the issue, for example, if some M.D. is teaching FMA he is not referred to as "Dr. Whatever" when talking about his martial arts career as that has nothing to do with his M.D. degree or medical work. So, why not turn it the other way round? Why not use martial arts terms as general terms of respect? Let's say we have a skilled math teacher at high school, why not call him a guro, sifu, tuhon, or whatever title of respect we can think of? My point (if any ;-) is that titles, grades, degrees, diplomas and belts are more of a turn off, at least to me, than sign of respect, especially if given away too lightly. Especially if someone demands them for himself. I understand that students can call their teacher "master" if they respect him, but if someone demands to be called "master" even by those who have not ever studied with him, at least I will probably look elsewhere for a teacher. But it's just me, I've always liked the principle that a teacher is always also a student who learns from his students. You can never know everything. - Marko > -----Original Message----- > From: ext WEE Shin Hoe [mailto:shinhoe@pc.jaring.my] > Sent: 31 January, 2005 18:07 > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] Re: X-treme Belt Ranking Systems > > > Hi Guys, > > For those respectable REAL Sokes on the list. May I suggest > that you replaced the white belt with black, and "kyu or Kup" > with "dan". So a beginner will start off as 9th dan and > gradually works his way up to 1st dan. And replaced the > original black belts with says, golden colour belts. > > I would love to see the faces of those so-called Great Grand > Masters when you have ten years old 9th dans flooding the market. > > Seriously, regardless of the arts, all asian martial arts I > know used the word "Teacher" in their native tongues and > never a "master" to address an accomplished martial artist. > "Sifu/Sensei/Guru/Guro/Cikgu" all carry the same > meaning-"teacher" not "master". IMHO, "Teacher" would be a > more appropriate word, and deeper in meaning than > "instructor" or "master". > > Just my $0.02. > > S. H. Wee > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 03:27:17 -0800 (PST) From: Oliver To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Tsunami Fundraiser Seminar (South East Asian Martial Arts) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net As the world already knows the Asian Tsunami has devastated the lives and livelihoods of hundreds of thousands of ordinary people in South East Asia and as far as Africa. To help raise money for the victims, Europe’s leading experts of Indonesian, Filipino, Japanese and Korean martial arts have all come together for this fundraising charity event. This will be a unique opportunity for martial arts enthusiast of all backgrounds to train and meet the masters of the respective arts. In doing so you will be doing your bit to raise urgently needed money for the victims of this terrible natural disaster. Instructors on the day will be: Sensei Leon Jay –Small Circle Jujitsu, Master Shamim Haque - Kalis Ilustrisimo Repeticion Orihinal, Pendekar Steven Benitez - Pencak Silat Wali Songo, Guro Bob Breen - Jeet Kun Do (subject to availability) and Sensei John Mellon - Munen Muso Ryu (family system) Sunday 20th March, Mulberry Sports & Leisure Centre, off Commercial Road, London E1 2JP. Entrance via Anthony Street Time: 10 am – 3 pm, Cost: £40 / £30 concessions For more information, please call: +44 (0)7932 660 567 or e-mail fmaacademy@hotmail.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Jorge Penafiel" To: Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:54:17 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Guava Tree Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Jeepers,,,,I remember those days being chase out angrily from peoples yards with guava trees. Well, it was free tree prunning but not pretty. Guava limb is good for a lot of things including herding "carabao" as it was durable, flexible, and brings out a nasty sting when hit by it. My Dad hit me one time to descipline me and it work>>>No child cruelty laws then. Jorge V. Penafiel --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Wieneke, Myron" To: "'eskrima@martialartsresource.net'" Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: X-treme belt ranking systems Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:11:02 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I didn't want to wade into this but it seems to be getting out of hand. Both sides have valid points. I'm sure you can find all sorts of combinations, good/bad schools/teachers with or w/o belts. I say then, to each his own, what works for some doesn't work for others so look for what works for you. Let's not be too judgemental of others who don't believe in the same thing as we do. We really don't know the underlying reasons why they do what they do, whether they use belts or not, so lets not even pretend to. Respects, Myron ============================================================================== This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. ============================================================================== --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:12:25 -0800 (PST) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Bot Jocano and rank To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi David : Thank you for the compliments and the additional information. Re Roland Dantes, if you have been following my articles, I have mentioned him numerous times, including featuring him as a "Living Legend of FMA." I even have a picture with him in my write-up on the Expo in Las Vegas, where we had several occasions to chat. I have pictures of him training with Mang Ben in my archive files. If you will note, my article says present masters include, and is not meant to be all-inclusive. In fact, he and GM Sanchez were two of the people I was alluding to in my last email about being so talented they are masters of several styles. I am aware of GM Sanchez's pedigree. I have a copy of that Lightning video you mention, a gift from Rey Galang of Bakbakan. I agree with you, and as Bot has also shown, there are many other real arnisadors that few people have even heard of here in the US. I hope I can write long enough to feature many of these true arnisadors. Jay de Leon david foggie wrote:Nice article Jay. It is great to read your submissions promoting the warrior arts of the Philippines and the masters themselves. In regards to the senior masters of Lightning Scientific Arnis, I would like to draw your attention to Mang Vicente R. Sanchez. Mang Vic as he is affectionately referred to, met Mang Ben during the filming of Master Roland Dante's film "Sticks Of Death". Later in Manila, while Master Roland undertaking some private training under Mang Ben, he invited Mang Vic to attend. The rest as they say is history as Mang Vic then became a student of Mang Ben and went on to complete the Lightning Scientific Arnis system. In fact, Mang Vic is also featured in the Lightning Scientific Arnis video with Mang Ben and Maestro Elmer which was produced by Mandirigma. This can be confirmed by my good friend Bot Jocano who met with myself and Mang Vic in Manila just before I returned to Australia last year. Incidently, mang Vic was also a student of Professor Remy A. Presas and is ranked at 8th degree black belt in modern arnis. I noticed that both he and Master Roland Dantes were not listed in the modern arnis part of your article. Both these men are widely known inside the Philippines for their close relationship with Professor Remy, appeared with him in his books printed there and accompanied him overseas to demonstrate on teach modern arnis. Just thought I would let others know. Keep up the good work. david --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:38:52 -0800 From: "A. Van Meter" To: Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Help a beginner? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey, Escrima list. This is my first post. I've been studying escrima since maybe ~september of last year, and it's my first art. I think I'm progressing at an okay rate, but I have a few problems and I was hoping that you all might be able to help. You see, I'm six foot eight & 290 lbs, and I'm having a hard time getting proper foot work, or using my greater range and weight effectively. Also, I'm having trouble guarding my legs right now. and they're really large targets. I can't formulate any specific questions, really, but if you have any exercises or tips you could give me I'd be really grateful. Thanks Adam --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Ken Borowiec/Rudolph Research Analytical" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Help a beginner? Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:26:37 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I'm 6'2" (not as tell as you) and had trouble with footwork. I found jumping rope worked the muscles used in being light on you feet. Also ask your instructor for exercises to help with the footwork. My guru showed me some and I would be wrong to tell you because they are his to share not mine. As for blocking low, I found that working with some one attacking you while all you do is block has helped me in my reaction time for blocks. Maybe speed and reaction is what you need to get that stick down in time. please remember I am relatively new to the sport having 2 years of training. But these exercises have helped me win two competitions. I'm not bragging but without these things I do know I would have had a harder time winning. These things helped me with the same problems. I hope it would work for you as well. Kenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Van Meter" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 10:38 AM Subject: [Eskrima] Help a beginner? > Hey, Escrima list. This is my first post. > > I've been studying escrima since maybe ~september of last year, and > it's my first art. I think I'm progressing at an okay rate, but I have > a few problems and I was hoping that you all might be able to help. > > You see, I'm six foot eight & 290 lbs, and I'm having a hard time > getting proper foot work, or using my greater range and weight > effectively. Also, I'm having trouble guarding my legs right now. and > they're really large targets. > > I can't formulate any specific questions, really, but if you have any > exercises or tips you could give me I'd be really grateful. > > Thanks > > Adam > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Help a beginner? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:52:43 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > You see, I'm six foot eight & 290 lbs, and I'm having a hard time > getting proper foot work, or using my greater range and weight > effectively. Also, I'm having trouble guarding my legs right now. and > they're really large targets. > > I can't formulate any specific questions, really, but if you have any > exercises or tips you could give me I'd be really grateful. Adam, Welcome to the list! Have your tried practicing your footwork to music or with some sort of beat going on in the background? That seems to help a lot of people start to -feel- the rhythm, thereby improving their footwork. There is this old John Wayne movie, he is playing a crusty old Sarg in WW II. This big young Private is having trouble getting his bayonet drill perfected so Wayne puts a record on the record-player (anyone remember records? :) , puts the rifle w/bayonet in the young fellow's hands and starts moving to the beat of the music. Somewhat awkwardly I might add. Anyway, after a short bit the fellow gets better and Wayne tells him to keep working on it. Find something with a heavy rhythmic beat and keep working on it. :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest