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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2000 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Re: X-treme Belt Ranking Systems (WEE Shin Hoe) 2. Re: Manong Lema's arnis (Felipe Jocano) 3. Re: One more for the Road !1 (Felipe Jocano) 4. Hello from Sweden (Tim Hartman) 5. Re: Help a beginner? (Jared Dame) 6. Re: Bot Jocano and rank (david foggie) 7. Re: Help a beginner? (A. Van Meter) 8. Re: Re: Help a Beginner (WoodyTX) 9. Re: Stick weight (WoodyTX) 10. Historically Challenged (Peter Gow) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 00:40:43 +0800 From: WEE Shin Hoe To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Re: X-treme Belt Ranking Systems Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Marko, We are doing excatly that in our native tongues. Words such as guro/sinseh/sifu are not used specificly for martial arts, in fact there are used for a person who are very good in certain skills. eg: cooking. Same as the word "Mr.". You do not address yourself as "I am Mr. So-and-so". Regards, S. H. Wee >Message: 5 >Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: X-treme Belt Ranking Systems >Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:42:08 +0200 >From: >To: >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > >So, why not turn it the other way round? Why not use martial >arts terms as general terms of respect? Let's say we have a >skilled math teacher at high school, why not call him a guro, >sifu, tuhon, or whatever title of respect we can think of? >My point (if any ;-) is that titles, grades, degrees, diplomas >and belts are more of a turn off, at least to me, than sign >of respect, especially if given away too lightly. Especially >if someone demands them for himself. I understand that students >can call their teacher "master" if they respect him, but if >someone demands to be called "master" even by those who have >not ever studied with him, at least I will probably look >elsewhere for a teacher. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 21:37:01 -0800 (PST) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Manong Lema's arnis To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Ray, Tell you what, I'll send material on both systems/organizations. That would make things a lot clearer. Should take me a few days.... Bot --- Ray Terry wrote: > > Lightning Scientific Arnis is still currently in > > existence. LESKAS (Lema Scientific Kali Arnis > System) > > is a branch of Lightning Scientific Arnis. It's > what > > you would call one of the children :-). Master > Elmer > > taught the LSAI style of arnis within LESKAS, but > he > > also added material that he felt would help the > > students' development even further. This material > was > > his own innovation, specific only to LESKAS. > > Bot, > > Right now in the FMA FAQ I have one entry for both > "Lightning Scientific > Arnis" and "Lema Scientific Kali Arnis" listing > Manong Lema as the founder > of both. Would you advise leaving as is or breaking > it into two entries? > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 21:51:06 -0800 (PST) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] One more for the Road !1 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Manong Jorge: Jeeze, I wish I knew you were coming! I would have wanted to meet up with you and take you around UP as it is now. Oh well...Maybe next time? And as you pointed out below, there's a lot more changes happening in the MA ranking world. Yet one more perspective...I remember reading somewhere that the reason the belt rankings were so quickly adapted into the different martial arts, starting with judo and karate was that they provided a way for senior teachers who were visiting another club to quickly identify which student was learning what material without even having met that student before (assuming that said teacher was visiting a club of the same style). Which in turn implies that the membership in these styles was expanding, especially in the urban areas. This is indeed a shift away from the martial arts as practiced in the rural areas, with one teacher and a few students at a time. With such a growth in membership at that time in history, it's no wonder there arose a need for, and interest in, rank, which continues until today...Rank was and is a way to keep track of who's doing what where - ideally that is. I totally agree with you, we can expect more changes to come in this part of MA practice as a result of changing times.... Gumagalang, Bot --- Jorge Penafiel wrote: > Hey Bot,, kamusta and how's UP nowadays??...I saw it > last May, 04 and was > amazed of the many changes.. > Anyhow back to ED and MA ranking and Belt system one > more time for the road. > Your quote below: > "One perspective to consider, as Manong > Jorge seems to be saying below (Manong, please > correct > me if i got it wrong)is that people can and will > change the way they do things. That being said, if a > head of a system decides to introduce changes into > his > rank requirements, who's to stop him?" > Exactly, change is life inevitable constant > including in MA. For now, MA > industry is an open field and there is no universal > governing unit to foresee > or rule out what people can and will do with their > system. My sense is I > expect to see more changes and variety coming not > only in the ranking or belt > system as MA people and mentality progresses from > traditional, to > contemporary, and now modern. > Gumagalang, > Jorge Penafiel > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:24:07 +0100 From: Tim Hartman To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Hello from Sweden Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hej (Hello) I haven't posted in a while and thought I would give you guys and girls the head's up. I'm currently on tour teaching Modern Arnis in Sweden and I have a little down time and thought I would give you all an update. I started out with a three day training camp Malmö. We had around 20 people throughout the weekend attend the camp. Most of them were Jujitsu people, a couple of KMA and 2 Krav Maga people from Poland. Everyone was great to train with and they even laughed at my jokes! Afterwards I was off to Lund, where I taught a private two day seminar for the black belts at Rising Sun Dojo. Good training, good food, what more can I say! Now I'm in Norrköping, I've completed the first day of training. I still have a couple days of training as well as testing. In about four more days I'll start my trip home. I hope all is going well with everyone. I'll update everyone as my trip goes on. Hejdå (Goodbye) Datu Tim Hartman World Modern Arnis Alliance Remy A Presas' Modern Arnis --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 07:49:29 -0700 From: Jared Dame To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Help a beginner? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ultimately you need to remember that this art you should take and make your own. So don't be afraid once you have the basics to just use your size and superior strength when you need it. Physics can be a bitch sometimes and people our size won't move as fast as the smaller guy no matter how hard we train...... thats when we bring the God given strength mixed with skill to win. salamat J On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:45:38 -0600 (GMT-06:00), George Mason wrote: > Hey Adam, > > Good to read your first post. Sounds like things are going well. > > I understand your problem with the footwork. I have a student that is a pro football player and he is a very large gentleman for sure. He weighs in around 300 lbs or so. > > For a big guy he is pretty quick on his feet. But I find that there have been some things that have made him a great deal faster. One thing that a lot of people fight with is that they have a hard time relaxing when they train. You see, a tense muscle can't move fast. > > A lot of larger guys deal with this issue mainly because they have been taught all of their lives that because of their size the should depend on their strength. It is just a natural thing for a larger person. I went through it a little in that I am 6'2 and weigh over 200 lbs. But once I learned to relax and depend on the natural whipping motion to develop power I got a lot faster. > > The best guy to learn about that kind of thing from is Joe Lewis. He is a big guy but unbelievably fast. He does a lot of seminars around the country and he has a lot of videos out. I have the whole Joe Lewis collection. A friend of mine bought it for me. My friend works out with Lewis now and then. He says that the guy is more than amazing. > > Oh, one other thing that might help and it may sound weird, but play basketball. I find that the footwork for basketball and that for FMA are very similar. > > After reading this post I may get a bunch of rebuttles but that is fine. That is the cool thing about this forum. Everyone is able to publish their ideas. And I feel that it helps the art grow. > > Best of luck to you Adam and I hope you stay in the art for many years to come. > > Geo the Bear > > ________________________________________ > PeoplePC Online > A better way to Internet > http://www.peoplepc.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > -- Jared Dame jareddame@gmail.com "If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things." Rene Descartes --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 07:51:24 -0800 (PST) From: david foggie Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Bot Jocano and rank To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Jay, Just curious about the pics you mentioned of Mang Ben and Guro Roland Dantes. When we visited Mang Ben in 1998, I took a number of photos and video. Do you know if the pics you have are from this time or years before? Thanks. Respectfully, David --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:56:03 -0800 From: "A. Van Meter" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Help a beginner? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey, thanks to all of you for the advice. I'm going to try the music/dance idea for certain (though I might do that where no one can see me), and definitely leg protection and movement drills. And just more and more practice. Thanks again Adam --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:35:29 -0600 From: WoodyTX To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Help a Beginner Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Practice, practice, practice..... Footwork is one of those skills that takes forever to learn, much less master. I actually stopped mid-sparring session when I found myself doing a full-speed triangle in response to an attacker. Got bopped for it, but I was so surprised that it had happened. I believe that was in my third year of Kali (on-off training, so probably after two years?). So I don't dishearten you, I'm 5' 9" and 230 lbs, with a preference for hunkering down in a stressful situation. The Ninjas would say that I'm very Earth-oriented.... WoodyTX > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:38:52 -0800 > From: "A. Van Meter" > To: Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] Help a beginner? > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Hey, Escrima list. This is my first post. > > I've been studying escrima since maybe ~september of last year, and > it's my first art. I think I'm progressing at an okay rate, but I have > a few problems and I was hoping that you all might be able to help. > > You see, I'm six foot eight & 290 lbs, and I'm having a hard time > getting proper foot work, or using my greater range and weight > effectively. Also, I'm having trouble guarding my legs right now. and > they're really large targets. > > I can't formulate any specific questions, really, but if you have any > exercises or tips you could give me I'd be really grateful. > > Thanks > > Adam --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:40:26 -0600 From: WoodyTX To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Stick weight Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I'd say it depends on the user. At long ranges, 2" matters a great deal. At infighting, a long stick can be a liability. I'm 230 lbs, and no matter how light the stick, there's only so much speed I can deliver. A 150 lb Jun Fan afficionado, OTOH, will benefit hugely from a lighter stick, but may have issues with my "redneck sticks" (over 1" thick, 28 inches long, and heavy). Frankly, I prefer about a 26" medium-weight stick. But because of a neck injury, I'm out of the game for a while. WoodyTX On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:05:12 -0800, Michael Koblic wrote: > "I dont like the speed I sacrifice with heavier sticks.I can get in at least > a third more strikes in the corse of a fight.When I switch to a heavier > stick in full contact or training, it throughs me off." > > This is interesting! I heard the same thing from people who took part in one > of the Dog Brother gatherings saying that light sticks were more effective. > Now that brings me to a general question: What do the members feel is the > right stick weight for them? What length? Would the answer be different if > one had to "take it to the street" rather than to a gathering or some such. > > I appreciate that not everyone is as anally retentive as myself and does not > weigh all their weapons. FWIW, 8oz, 26" stick gives me the feel of good > compromise between speed and weight, often knocking lighter sticks out of > the way during drills. I suspect it might cause pain, but I am not sure > about disability. For that I would instinctively reach for the hickory > sledge hammer handle (28", 1 lb-1-1/2 oz). The techniques are noticeably > slower, however. > > Do the extra 2" make a difference? On second thought, do not answer that... > > Michael Koblic > Campbell River, BC > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Peter Gow" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 02:06:14 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Historically Challenged Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Dear Todd, Thank you for your reply to our historically challenged investigations. If I may ask you one question sir? If I took a car and stripped all the parts off the car apart from the necessary running gear does this mean that I have invented a new car? NO it doesn't. So does that mean by stripping off techniques or leaving off part of the technique we create a new system? No, we just water down an older system. Therefore should we be giving credit to someone that watersdown a system - this is the actual question that is under debate from my point of view and I and some other FMAs and MAs consider this to be a valid point. Most intelligent people realize that there is a fuzziness about where the MAs may have begun and someone hit the nail on the head when they stated that MAs probably developed concurrently in many geographical locations at similar time. Other people  accept what they are told by the various media/propaganda sources never questioning information but prepared to perpetuate myths.  Its up to you(or is it), which path you wish to travel. Peter Gow Australia   --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest