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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2000 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. RE:stick weight (Van Harn, Steve) 2. RE: Historically Challenged (Bobbe Edmonds) 3. RE: George Mason (Bobbe Edmonds) 4. Re: Historically challenged (Todd Ellner) 5. Bobbe Edmond's new school (Nat Nickele) 6. Re: RE: Historically Challenged (Ken Borowiec/Rudolph Research Analytical) 7. Re: RE: George Mason (Ken Borowiec/Rudolph Research Analytical) 8. RE: Bobbe Edmond's new school (Mike Casto) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Van Harn, Steve" To: "'eskrima@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:17:08 -0600 Subject: [Eskrima] RE:stick weight Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Mike, for what it's worth when sparring we do three one minute rounds. I force myself to use a different weight stick in each round so hopefully when the time comes I won't be thrown off. Also, if you play in tournaments, sometimes you have to use the sticks provided. No telling what they might be. I try to vary weights during training too. Personally there is a "sweet spot" between heavy/power and light/speed. my two cents. Steve - Message: 1 From: "Michael Koblic" To: "Eskrima digest" Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:05:12 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Stick weight Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "I dont like the speed I sacrifice with heavier sticks.I can get in at least a third more strikes in the corse of a fight.When I switch to a heavier stick in full contact or training, it throughs me off." This is interesting! I heard the same thing from people who took part in one of the Dog Brother gatherings saying that light sticks were more effective. Now that brings me to a general question: What do the members feel is the right stick weight for them? What length? Would the answer be different if one had to "take it to the street" rather than to a gathering or some such. I appreciate that not everyone is as anally retentive as myself and does not weigh all their weapons. FWIW, 8oz, 26" stick gives me the feel of good compromise between speed and weight, often knocking lighter sticks out of the way during drills. I suspect it might cause pain, but I am not sure about disability. For that I would instinctively reach for the hickory sledge hammer handle (28", 1 lb-1-1/2 oz). The techniques are noticeably slower, however. Do the extra 2" make a difference? On second thought, do not answer that... Michael Koblic Campbell River, BC -- --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Bobbe Edmonds" To: Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:26:52 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Historically Challenged Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >"As for where MA originated is (to me) about as important as where humans originated. It would be nice to know but by now not important."< Kenny Damn, Kenny, you are some scary kind of marksman. You hit that target dead-on at 500 yards. My compliments on succinctly wording this overblown, dead horse that has been revived so many times it looks like something out of a George Romero movie. Your post was clarity & simplicity personified. Thanks!! Baboy Bobbe Edmonds Edmonds Martial Arts Academy www.EMAA.us --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Bobbe Edmonds" To: Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:30:04 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: George Mason Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >"Again, thanks for your wonderful and insightful posts. I enjoy reading them. And I learn from all that I read that comes my way."< Wow, thanks for the compliment, George. I was sort of waiting for the overwhelming backlash that usually comes with posting something like this. Nice to know it made sense to someone, I would like to have had this kind of information when I was starting out! Baboy Bobbe Edmonds Edmonds Martial Arts Academy www.EMAA.us --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 14:26:41 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: "Todd Ellner" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Historically challenged Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Dear Todd, > > Thank you for your reply to our historically challenged investigations. > If I may ask you one question sir? > > If I took a car and stripped all the parts off the car apart from the > necessary running gear does this mean that I have invented a new car? NO > it doesn't. > > So does that mean by stripping off techniques or leaving off part of the > technique we create a new system? No, we just water down an older system. > Therefore should we be giving credit to someone that watersdown a system > - this is the actual question that is under debate from my point of view > and I and some other FMAs and MAs consider this to be a valid point. > > Most intelligent people realize that there is a fuzziness about where the > MAs may have begun and someone hit the nail on the head when they stated > that MAs probably developed concurrently in many geographical locations > at similar time. > > Other people accept what they are told by the various media/propaganda > sources never questioning information but prepared to perpetuate myths. > > Its up to you(or is it), which path you wish to travel. > > Peter Gow A very worthy effort, Peter. Translated into shorter sentences it reads: I'm doing what's really important. You're just being a pedant who concentrates on irrelevant details and misses the point. The sarcasm masquerading as humility is moderately well done. The conversation was about history. In a discussion about history, what happened and who did it are at least slightly important. Documents can help, but it always gets fuzzy pretty quickly. "Me, my teacher, his teacher, his teacher, dotted lines, Shaolin Temple, dotted lines, Boddhidharma, dotted lines, Sinanju, dotted lines, Angel with the Flaming Sword". Some use the fuzziness to invent the past as best suits their needs. Others use it to erase inconvenient facts. The first version of the story told here for about the million and first time goes like this: A long time ago giants walked the Earth. Their arts and skills were greater than we can imagine because they received the knowledge from the Great Old Ones directly, wrestled tigers, or had The Secret Lost Book of Shaolin(tm). We can only progress by carrying the legacy of these Ancient Ascended Masters With Cotton Wool Eyebrows. Since they had The Truth the more distant we are from them in time the more stunted and degenerate we get. When something comes along that seems new and worthwhile it has to be because the "innovator" stole or was given it by the Keepers of the Secret Flame. The best someone could do is to water down the strong pure wine of their knowledge. It goes without saying that we bask in their reflected glory which makes us the studliest guys around. Ph34r R l33t sk1llz!!! The other version goes: In the high and far off times there were people who could fight. But they were backwards and isolated. Like the six wise blind men each of them could only feel a little bit of the elephant. Their primitive, superstitious, over-elaborate arts were fine in their limited way but have little to offer us today. Now we live in a different age. We are smarter and more efficient. Where they blindly followed empty memorization we understand what we do. We have taken the best that the old has to offer and distilled it to its essence. What is more, we have done this with everything worth doing. We can see immediately what is important and discard the rest. They have the gravel. We have the gold. It goes without saying that we have found the perfect combination of techniques and ideas from the old stuff which makes us the studliest guys around. Ph34r R l33t sk1llz!!! We each pick the story that makes us feel best about ourselves, sometimes both at once. With regards to MA in general people fight and have always fought. They've learned from what others do and have innovated. The basics remain the same. The particulars change in different times and places to suit local conditions. Sometimes they change in certain ways because of weird historical accidents. There are times we can say with some certainty who did what to whom for how many cookies. Others we don't know and just make our best educated guesses. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 15:54:40 -0700 From: Nat Nickele To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Bobbe Edmond's new school Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Bobbe said: "Here I am now, thinking of opening my own school eventually. At the same time, it is weird in that I am not sure what to call what I teach or what affiliations to use." I think you should call it "Bobbe Edmond's Scientifc Fighting School of Whatever Works." -Nat --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Ken Borowiec/Rudolph Research Analytical" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] RE: Historically Challenged Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:15:59 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thank you Baboy. Kenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobbe Edmonds" To: Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 4:26 PM Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Historically Challenged > >"As for where MA originated is (to me) about as important as where humans > originated. It would be nice to know but by now not important."< > > Kenny > > Damn, Kenny, you are some scary kind of marksman. You hit that target > dead-on at 500 yards. My compliments on succinctly wording this overblown, > dead horse that has been revived so many times it looks like something out > of a George Romero movie. Your post was clarity & simplicity personified. > Thanks!! > > Baboy > > Bobbe Edmonds > Edmonds Martial Arts Academy > www.EMAA.us > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Ken Borowiec/Rudolph Research Analytical" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] RE: George Mason Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:21:28 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Bobbe what you said here is exactly what I wanted to say to you. So I'll just say Thank you very much for the complement. Kenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobbe Edmonds" To: Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 4:30 PM Subject: [Eskrima] RE: George Mason > >"Again, thanks for your wonderful and insightful posts. I enjoy reading > them. And I learn from all that I read that comes my way."< > > Wow, thanks for the compliment, George. I was sort of waiting for the > overwhelming backlash that usually comes with posting something like this. > Nice to know it made sense to someone, I would like to have had this kind of > information when I was starting out! > > Baboy > > Bobbe Edmonds > Edmonds Martial Arts Academy > www.EMAA.us > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Mike Casto" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Bobbe Edmond's new school Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:31:28 -0500 Organization: I.M.P.A.C.T. Academy of Martial Arts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Bobbe, my memory may be deceiving me - if so, I apologize - but weren't you the "pig"? If so then maybe you could do something like "Boarishly Good Training" :-) Sorry, I couldn't really think of anything worthwhile so I went to the silly side. But there might be something along the nickname line that could give inspiration. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Nat Nickele [mailto:natnickele@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 5:55 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Bobbe Edmond's new school Bobbe said: "Here I am now, thinking of opening my own school eventually. At the same time, it is weird in that I am not sure what to call what I teach or what affiliations to use." I think you should call it "Bobbe Edmond's Scientifc Fighting School of Whatever Works." -Nat _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2000 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest