Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:23:15 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #55 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Wrist Injuries/Maitre D' (GatPuno@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Ed Peregrino" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 21:12:40 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] World Filipino Martial Arts Association Website Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello everyone, I just wanted to make everyone aware that the official website for the World Filipino Martial Arts Association is now available at www.WorldFMA.com.  For those who don't know, this association has been created by Punong Guro Hufana to help promote and propagate the Philippine Martial Arts, Culture, and Tradition.  The association hosts an annual event of two days training seminar and one day Laban Laro competition.  Member of this association includes some of the most well known instructors such as GM Taboada, the late Maestro Ybanez, Master Roland Dantes, and so forth.  The association is free of membership fees, politics and egos. It is built upon trust, respect, honor, unity and loyalty to the development of a stronger FMA family around the world.     Take a look at the site at www.WorldFMA.com and feel free to send comments or any suggestions. Thanks to Mr. Terry and everyone for keeping this ED going and full of information.  As a Filipino, it's very nice to see that my culture's MA is being appreciated by many. Gumagalang sa inyong lahat, Edwin Peregrino Hufana Traditional Arnis International   --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 22:05:27 -0800 (PST) From: Felipe Jocano To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] When a master isn't one... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, To keep the pot stirred for a while before putting down the ladle :-).... Interesting definitions for the title master. I think that these definitions below seem to be at the root of the discussion on masters and ranks. Which brings up an interesting point: as Bobbe and Odellion (so sorry I didn't quite catch your name - my fault) stated, a real master wouldn't even let you know he is one. Why would that be so? Perhaps one reason why is the difference between class and crass. It seems that in the different martial arts systems across cultures, understatement is held to be a virtue. Self-promotion and the insistence on being called a master is thus a sign of poor taste, not to mention ill-breeding. Another reason may be related to something I heard from my father once. He's an anthropologist, and based on his research into indigenous healing practices, he told me that the really good healers don't advertise or announce that they are good at healing, lest their powers be diminished due to their pride. The underlying belief system hold that these powers are God-given and therefore not to be used for self-gain or aggrandizement. Boasting about one's healing ability will therefore lead to the said ability being withdrawn. My father drew the analogy to the prevailing normative behavior of humiility among the older FMA practitioners (he met a number of them when younger), saying that a case could be made for not boasting of one's arnis (or kali or eskrima) abilities, lest said boastful one be humbled by someone else who nobody knows of. Something about how each behavior has its own reward in the end, and how pride can cause the loss of the powers one boasts of. Certainly refraining from insisting on being called a master of XYZ martial arts helps avoid challenges from others wanting to see if you really deserve the title master. Insisting on being called a master only shows how far one is from being a real one. A master is third and second but never first. You can refer to someone as a master (third person), you can address someone as master (second person) but never call yourself master (first person). Gumagalang, Bot > > While on that topic, we also seem to primarily focus > in on only one of the > 26 definitions given for the term master, that one > being "an owner of a > slave or animal". Definitions that are in play for > use as a martial arts > rank or title are "a person eminently skilled in > something", or "a workman > qualified to teach apprentices", or "a teacher, > tutor or schoolmaster", or > "a person whose teachings one accepts", or "become > an adept in", etc. > > Ray "Perhaps a guro, but not a religious leader or > spiritual guide" Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2100 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:47:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Matthew Barclay To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Wrist Injuries Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Michael, for problems with the wrist, if it's weak and the ROM is limited, do some deep tissue massage - really get in there with your thumb. Carefull around the ligaments in the wrist - don't wanna tear anything if they're REALLY tight. It'll hurt, but it's that GOOD pain, just like training. Once you've given it a good massage, stretch your wrist out, rotatate it, etc. If the muscle is damaged, the massage will break down the fascia (outer wrapping of the muscle) and the stretching plus ROM exercise will allow the muscle to reform in the correct manner. Plus the strength should return once you regain movement. I used this when i took a few to many forearm smashes to the inside of my arm - couldn't move my wrist outside what most would recognise as a "fook sao" position - needless to say this didn't bode well for the next days training. (I also did a bit of acupuncture on it, i'm not formally qualified, but i know what i'm doing - plus i'm not likely to sue myself for malpractice should anything go wrong). Plus a radial nerve stretch is good (i use this all the time 'cos of tight shoulders and wrist problems) -It's a pectoral stretch - palm flat on a wall, thumb facing upwards, and turn to face the other way. Pull your fingers from the wall, and it stretches out the nerves in your wrist as well - ta da!! As to training in class - there's always footwork! Hope this was helpfull, Matthew Barclay ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Julian Gilmour" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:47:45 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Tsunami fundraising seminar Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all Is anyone on the list planning on going to the fund raiser for the Asian Tsunami in London, England on the 20th March? FMA, karate and jiu jitsu are being covered, by great teachers (for want of a better word). If you are, and you fancy it, email me off the list as it would be nice to put faces to names. If you’re English, please excuse the ‘London, England’ bit, you probably already know where it is :) Peace and respect to all on the list Julian --__--__-- Message: 5 From: To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] wrist injuries Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:55:48 +0000 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Wrist injuries are going to vary due to how bad the sprain is. If you still have swelling two weeks out from this injury you should have this medically evaluated. If the swelling is now gone then you should do passive range of motion exercises to regain normal function. To assist in this use a bucket warm water and again do range of motion such as flexing and exstending, and wrist circles. This should be done 3-4 time a day. You should let your body tell you if you are pushing your wrist to hard. Option 2--Again if you are having alot of pain, swelling at two weeks out you should have this injury looked at your doctor. Going this rout he/she could refer you to a physical therapist and or sports medical doc who can rehab your wrist safely and knock days and in some cases weeks off your rehab. They will also help you work harden it to get it back to normal function. These are the two things that I would recommend trying this first. As for training, I would not have any ! contact with this effected wrist until it had met end of healing and you are totally pain and swelling free. Shadow or empty hand drills will allow to work on tech. so you continue to progress. I hope this helps! good luck! Mac > > From: unstpabl1@webtv.net > Date: 2005/02/07 Mon AM 07:19:22 GMT > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] wrist injuries > > I'm looking for help on rehab for a badly sprained wrist.About 4 weeks > ago after jkd/kali class my wrist swelled up ,hurt like hell for > 2weeks.....its getting better,but weak and range of motion is limited.I > haven't beenn able to find any excercises or info on the net.so I'm > asking here,because of the great info in past digests about rotator > cuffs.I'm looking for excercises for for flexibilty & strength.When to > start? Ideas on how to get back to class even though i can't hit or hold > pads.How do I work around it.Any thoughts on approx time to heal.Thank > you! > > Michael Schoenfeld > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2100 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:51:06 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: George Mason To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] wrist injuries Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey Michael, This may sound crazy but if you want to hearl very very quickly there is an easy way. Go to the health food store and buy a bottle of ionized colloidal minerals and take 40 or more drops in water a day and then go to wal-mart and buy a box of knox unflavored gellatin. Put 2 packages in your orange juice in the morning and 2 at night. You will be amazed at how fast you heal. To speed it up even more get some dit da jou. If you get the good stuff it will really help. Geo the Bear -----Original Message----- From: unstpabl1@webtv.net Sent: Feb 7, 2005 1:19 AM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] wrist injuries I'm looking for help on rehab for a badly sprained wrist.About 4 weeks ago after jkd/kali class my wrist swelled up ,hurt like hell for 2weeks.....its getting better,but weak and range of motion is limited.I haven't beenn able to find any excercises or info on the net.so I'm asking here,because of the great info in past digests about rotator cuffs.I'm looking for excercises for for flexibilty & strength.When to start? Ideas on how to get back to class even though i can't hit or hold pads.How do I work around it.Any thoughts on approx time to heal.Thank you! Michael Schoenfeld _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2100 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:05:53 -0700 From: Nat Nickele To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re:wrist injuries Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Those of you with wrist injuries, I was wondering what particular movements in your wrist cause pain. Is it when your hand is neutral, grasping, when it is in "crane" (limp wrist position), "reversre crane" (ala palm heal strike), pinky side extended down, or when you pull it back into "thumbs up" position? How did the injury occur? At what speed? Did the pain happen eventually over time or suddenly? (My wife is an occupational therapist, so I learned a little about this stuff by default when she was in grad school. ) -Nat --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [Eskrima] When a master isn't one... To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:02:47 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > ..., a real master wouldn't even let you know he is one. And to continue along that thread... how about folks that will claim "my name is Guro Joe Blow" or "my name is Master Joe Blow"? The first thing that always comes into my mind is... oh really, your first name is Guro (or Master)? How strange. But then I am easily entertained. :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Ken Borowiec/Rudolph Research Analytical" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] When a master isn't one... Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:28:01 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net My instructor uses Guru and Sifu (depending on the class that day). Although anyone who has seen him work with Eskrima or with Jeet kune do would call him a master he does not say "I am a master". He uses the titles the same way a teacher would say "call me Mr. so and so". In fact he is against self promotion. Others, as well as myself, have suggested to him to openly advertise all his accomplishments so people can see what skills he has, he refuses. The only way to see it is to read his bio and that is even toned down (comparing to what I know of him). In fact I once asked him what the titles Guru and Sifu meant so I could understand the language and he told me they mean teacher. As well as his instructors had given him these titles when they felt he earned them, he did not give them to himself. So the skinny of what I'm trying to say is this. The title does not make the man, but his use of said title does. Kenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Terry" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] When a master isn't one... > > ..., a real master wouldn't even let you know he is one. > > And to continue along that thread... how about folks that will claim > "my name is Guro Joe Blow" or "my name is Master Joe Blow"? > > The first thing that always comes into my mind is... oh really, your first > name is Guro (or Master)? How strange. > > But then I am easily entertained. :) > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2100 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:59:34 -0800 (PST) From: James Nordstrom To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Maitre d'Armes Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Brian Batson - "Interesting. I always thought that the term for teacher was professeur. Admittedly my French is pretty rusty but doesn't the verb "maitriser" mean to control or to master? How does this translate for a maitre d' at a hotel?" Well, here is my two-cents. Maitre means "head" of something. Literally. Maitre d'Armes would literally be Head of Arms (Arms being weapons and not bodily appendages). When someone achieves Maitre d'Armes they are basically licensed to open their own school and teach. In my experience Master/Maestro is a well-seasoned Maitre d'Arme who has been recognized by other Maestro's as a Maestro. All the Maestro's I have meet consider themselves students of the sword and when not in class most are very amiable and a heck of a lot of fun to drink with (never play pool with the thou, their intutive knowedge of angles is a very unfair advantage). Cheers James Nordstrom Cheers Jim "Taking life on the chin is all fine and well, but when life throws you a pile of shit best learn to bob and weave." "If people would just be half as smart as they think they are, they would be twice as smart as they really are." --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' --__--__-- Message: 11 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:15:48 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Wrist Injuries/Maitre D' Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Wrist injuries inquiry: Hilot Remedies: Soaked your wrist everyday in 1 gallon of warm water with 1 cup vinegar. Then Massages it in the warm water, for about 5 minutes or till the water is not hot anymore. Start rotaing the wrist with no weight on it, then after few days, used a lightweight stick to rotate or slow twisting. The after few day add more and do the same exercise. Rez, How does this translate for a maitre d' at a hotel? The Maitre D' mean in the Hotel or Restaurant, Master of Dining (This is the person whom master of service, from Wine, Appetizer, Salad, Entree, Desert and other services on inside the dining room. Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA E-mail: gatpuno@aol.com Website: garimot.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest