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Re: Happy New Year (Ken Borowiec/Rudolph Research Analytical) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:07:28 -0800 (PST) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Professor Bot Jocano's father and "masters" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net To add further to Leo's post about the masters and fees: The parallelism between the healers and the FMA masters continues along this line: A traditional healer never charges for his/her services. Most of them are also farmers and fisherfolk or otherwise laborers (if in the cities). Instead, people give them gifts (food, clothes, etc) as tahnks for their help. If you live in the same community as the healer, then you should know that you should give something in return for their help. I said should, since this implies a whole system of reciprocal obligations. The same applies to some of the FMA masters I met. They wouldn't charge a cent but if you knew your place, you would give something as a gift, not necessarily as a fee. Which means, baldly stated, if the teacher accepted you as a student, you should have the sensitivity and the courtesy to take care of the teacher's needs. But times are changing, and many of the FMA masters are now charging for their time. Which given the realities of our economic system here is inevitable. Despite this, however, there are still those who adhere to the old ways I mentioned. Gumagalang, Bot > I have met some "traditional" masters and they never > called themselves anything. Especially in Filipino > culture, where everything is so informal and > laidback > and casual and familiar, titles other than "mang" > (mister) or "aling" (mrs.) do not exist. "tatang" > simply means "old man" or "grandpa/granddad" or > "daddy". I would even extend professor Bot's > explanation to fees paid for training. These masters > wouldn't even discuss fees, believing that talking > about fees for FMA training or even accepting them > would be less than dignified and improper. They also > will tell you that "I don't teach well, it's up to > you > if you like or accept what little I can show you". > These are usually the more skilled masters, the ones > you should be afraid of, and the ones you should > respect the more. > > ===== > Earn $$ just by receiving and reading email! > http://www.resource-a-day.net/member/index.cgi?Brandon96 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2100 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:50:50 -0600 From: WoodyTX To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Wrist Injuries/Maitre D' Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Not to disagree, but to clarify. Heat treatments are usually not recommended as first aid, or for anything really swollen. Heat can increase swelling and the subsequent damage to the area from the loss of oxygen to the tissue. In other words, do not heat any injury in the first 72 hours after the injury occurred, or if you are experiencing noticeable swelling. First aid for strain/sprain is RICE: Rest, Ice, Compression, Elevation. Some include medication, as in ibuprofen or other NSAIDs. The key here is anti-inflammatory drugs, not pain killers. After the initial swelling has decreased, warmth may be recommended to warm up the muscles prior to stretching or exercising, or after exercise to prevent the muscles from locking up. WoodyTX, former personal trainer, currently dating a physical therapist/athletic trainer. On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 13:18:14 -0800 (PST), GatPuno@aol.com wrote: > Wrist injuries inquiry: Hilot Remedies: Soaked your wrist everyday in 1 > gallon of warm water with 1 cup vinegar. Then Massages it in the warm water, for > about 5 minutes or till the water is not hot anymore. Start rotaing the wrist > with no weight on it, then after few days, used a lightweight stick to rotate or > slow twisting. The after few day add more and do the same exercise. (snip) > Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet --__--__-- Message: 3 From: <1@msfencing.org> To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: X-treme Belt Ranking Systems Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:07:46 -0600 Organization: 1@msfencing.org Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > From: Ray Terry [mailto:rterry@idiom.com] > Perhaps it gets confused with Master-at-Arms. Maybe so. > Master at Arms > is simply defined as the person in charge of discipline or > empowered to maintain order. Master-at-Arms reminds me of the Navy. :-) Blessings, Rez Johnson "Standing guard on old, forgotten roads, that no one travels anymore." THE FENCING MASTER by Arturo Perez Rez Johnson, M d'A Headmaster: Mississippi Academy of Arms (Mississippi Fencing Academy) President: United States Traditional Fencing Association Certified Fencing Instructor: (USTFA, TFI, AAI, USFCA) Certified Fencing Master Apprentice: (USTFA, USFCA) Teaching Classical Fencing and Historical Swordsmanship since 1980 Modern Sport Fencing Coach 1980 - 2002 Mississippi Academy of Arms P.O. Box 955 Pelahatchie, MS 39145-0955 E-Mail: 1@MSFencing.org Academy Website: http://MSFencing.org USTFA Website: http://traditionalfencing.org "Eala Earendel engla beorhtast ofer middangeard monnum sended." Crist of Cynewulf --__--__-- Message: 4 From: <1@msfencing.org> To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: Maitre d'Armes Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:43:26 -0600 Organization: 1@msfencing.org Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > From: James Nordstrom [mailto:m1_garand@yahoo.com] > Maitre means "head" of something. Literally. Maitre d'Armes > would literally be Head of Arms (Arms being weapons and not > bodily appendages). During my apprenticeship, my fencing master, who came from a long line of classically trained French Fencing Masters, said that Maitre literally meant "teacher", but that it most often referred to the Head/Chief Instructor/Teacher of a School or Academy. In England the head teacher of a school or Academy was called the HeadMaster. So you can see where these words "Head" and "Teacher" and "Master" all came together to give meaning to a master instructor. A Maitre d' Armes then, as you mentioned, was the Head Instructor of Arms at a fencing academy or at his own salle d'Armes. In England during the 1600s the fencing masters were titled, "Masters of Defense", or "Masters of the Noble Art & Science of Defense." The early fencing masters were simply very successful duelists and swordsmen who taught others the secrets of their success. Later on fencing masters became more respected as professional teachers. They were still masters of swordsmanship, but also had become master instructors as well. This tradition continues today. For certification, the classical fencing master must not only master the sword, but must also master the art of teaching swordsmanship, which is a totally different thing. We have all known elite level martial artists and athletes who could not teach or coach and mediocre martial artists and athletes who were great teachers and coaches. Fencing master certification requires expertise in both areas. > When someone achieves Maitre d'Armes > they are basically licensed to open their own school and > teach. In my experience Master/Maestro is a well-seasoned > Maitre d'Arme who has been recognized by other Maestro's as a > Maestro. This is true. They may become the chief instructor of an Academy (such as a military fencing academy) or run their own salle d'armes Blessings, Rez Johnson "Standing guard on old, forgotten roads, that no one travels anymore." THE FENCING MASTER by Arturo Perez Rez Johnson, M d'A Headmaster: Mississippi Academy of Arms (Mississippi Fencing Academy) President: United States Traditional Fencing Association Certified Fencing Instructor: (USTFA, TFI, AAI, USFCA) Certified Fencing Master Apprentice: (USTFA, USFCA) Teaching Classical Fencing and Historical Swordsmanship since 1980 Modern Sport Fencing Coach 1980 - 2002 Mississippi Academy of Arms P.O. Box 955 Pelahatchie, MS 39145-0955 E-Mail: 1@MSFencing.org Academy Website: http://MSFencing.org USTFA Website: http://traditionalfencing.org "Eala Earendel engla beorhtast ofer middangeard monnum sended." Crist of Cynewulf --__--__-- Message: 5 From: <1@msfencing.org> To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Wrist Injuries/Maitre D' Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:47:16 -0600 Organization: 1@msfencing.org Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > From: GatPuno@aol.com [mailto:GatPuno@aol.com] > Rez, > How does this translate for a maitre d' at a hotel? > The Maitre D' mean in the Hotel or Restaurant, Master of > Dining (This is the person whom master of service, from Wine, > Appetizer, Salad, Entree, Desert and other services on inside > the dining room. It can mean headmaster/administrator as well as Chief Instructor. Headmaster of a school, a restaurant, a hotel, etc. Blessings, Rez Johnson "Standing guard on old, forgotten roads, that no one travels anymore." THE FENCING MASTER by Arturo Perez Rez Johnson, M d'A Headmaster: Mississippi Academy of Arms (Mississippi Fencing Academy) President: United States Traditional Fencing Association Certified Fencing Instructor: (USTFA, TFI, AAI, USFCA) Certified Fencing Master Apprentice: (USTFA, USFCA) Teaching Classical Fencing and Historical Swordsmanship since 1980 Modern Sport Fencing Coach 1980 - 2002 Mississippi Academy of Arms P.O. Box 955 Pelahatchie, MS 39145-0955 E-Mail: 1@MSFencing.org Academy Website: http://MSFencing.org USTFA Website: http://traditionalfencing.org "Eala Earendel engla beorhtast ofer middangeard monnum sended." Crist of Cynewulf --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Robert Burgee" To: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:48:31 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Training Sticks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net < To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] online source for training sticks? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I've recently been shopping around (http://www.kali-eskrima.com/ and also the major retailers - i&i, awma, century, etc..) for a 1/2 doz or so rattan sticks. I prefer the slightly thinner 7/8" dia when available. Was wondering if there were any other sites I should check before placing an order? Thanks in advance. Nate>> Hello Nate. http://www.bloodsport.com Excellent source for sticks. Kombat Instruments, Ltd. He supplies the Dog Brothers. ==================== Bob Burgee. EDGES2, INC. http://trainingblades.com email: bob@trainingblades.com voice: 301-306-0194 fax: 301-306-5382 --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:35:01 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Two yips Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: > I've recently been shopping around > (http://www.kali-eskrima.com/ and also the major > retailers - i&i, awma, century, etc..) for a 1/2 doz > or so rattan sticks. I prefer the slightly thinner > 7/8" dia when available. > > Was wondering if there were any other sites I should > check before placing an order? > > Thanks in advance. > Nate Well, at www.dogbrothers.com we offer three models, but they are 1" or more. > The Chinese Lunar New Year is the longest chronological record in history, dating from 2600BC, when the Emperor Huang Ti introduced the first cycle of the zodiac. Umm, as a matter of historical accuracy, the Jewish calendar is currently at about 5965 (sorry I'm a terrible Jew and don't know the exact number) which means it is about 1365 years older. Yip, Crafty Dog. PS: I'm a Dragon Someone who knows about these things IIRC tells me the years also go through the 5 elements and that my birth year makes me a Water Dragon. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Van Harn, Steve" To: "'eskrima@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:03:37 -0600 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: online source for training sticks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Nate asked: I've recently been shopping around (http://www.kali-eskrima.com/ and also the major retailers - i&i, awma, century, etc..) for a 1/2 doz or so rattan sticks. I prefer the slightly thinner 7/8" dia when available. Was wondering if there were any other sites I should check before placing an order? REPLY: Frank's Cane and Rush Supply. Never had a problem with them. http://www.franksupply.com/ Average of $2.50/stick depending on choices. Not the prettiest but serviceable. Not perfectly straight or smooth though. Nodes are not sanded except on the Tiger sticks. They're fairly dense and actually hold up a lot longer than other pricey sticks I've used. The Tiger Rattan sticks are a bit better at $4.20 ea but a little larger diameter. If you're just looking for beaters though, Frank's is good enough. Steve --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Dale" To: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:16:55 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: training sticks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net <> No. ; P Dale www.kalieskrima.com --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 05:18:42 -0800 (PST) From: Punong Guro Steven Dowd To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] FMAdigest Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings all. The new issue of FMAdigest is onsight for non-subscribers. There is an article that I would think would be very interesting to digest and forum people in it. "Escrima-Kenpo-Arnis Goes to College in New York", though all the articles are interesting in this issue. www.fmadigest.com www.arnisbalite.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' www.arnisbalite.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "rob mulligan" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 09:37:54 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Nate Corley and sticks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Nate, the place you want to go is "Frank's Cane and Rush Supply". www.franksupply.com They have anything you want in bulk or cut to size. It's THE place. Rob Mulligan --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Ken Borowiec/Rudolph Research Analytical" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Happy New Year Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:47:00 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thanks for this, Jay. I was going to research it but you saved me a bunch of time and effort. Thank you. Kenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "jay de leon" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Happy New Year > Happy New Year > (The Year of the Rooster) > > Kung Hei Fat Choy > > February 9, 2005 > > > > > The Chinese Lunar New Year is the longest chronological record in history, dating from 2600BC, when the Emperor Huang Ti introduced the first cycle of the zodiac. Like the Western calendar, The Chinese Lunar Calendar is a yearly one, with the start of the lunar year being based on the cycles of the moon. Therefore, because of this cyclical dating, the beginning of the year can fall anywhere between late January and the middle of February. This year it falls on February 9th. A complete cycle takes 60 years and is made up of five cycles of 12 years each. > > The Chinese Lunar Calendar names each of the twelve years after an animal. Legend has it that the Lord Buddha summoned all the animals to come to him before he departed from earth. Only twelve came to bid him farewell and as a reward he named a year after each one in the order they arrived. The Chinese believe the animal ruling the year in which a person is born has a profound influence on personality, saying: "This is the animal that hides in your heart." > > > > > > > > Rat 1924 1936 1948 1960 1972 1984 1996 Ox 1925 1937 1949 1961 1973 1985 1997 Tiger 1926 1938 1950 1962 1974 1986 1998 Rabbit 1927 1939 1951 1963 1975 1987 1999 Dragon 1928 1940 1952 1964 1976 1988 2000 Snake 1929 1941 1953 1965 1977 1989 2001 Horse 1930 1942 1954 1966 1978 1990 2002 Sheep 1931 1943 1955 1967 1979 1991 2003 Monkey 1932 1944 1956 1968 1980 1992 2004 Rooster 1933 1945 1957 1969 1981 1993 2005 Dog 1934 1946 1958 1970 1982 1994 2006 Boar 1935 1947 1959 1971 1983 1995 2007 > > > Future New Year dates: > > 2005 - Feb 9 > 2006 - Jan 29 > 2007 - Feb 18 > > from Jay de Leon > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Ray Terry wrote: > Happy Lunar New Year! The year of the Rooster. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2100 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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