Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 03:03:53 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #65 - 3 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2100 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: DitDaJao.recipe (George Mason) 2. Die Da Jiu (Stephen Lamade) 3. Las Pinas/Paranaque/Muntinlupa instructors (EDUARDO R. MENESES JR) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:14:35 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: George Mason To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] DitDaJao.recipe Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thanks for the info on the Jao. I have a friend in Kansas City that makes the stuff. I just need to call him up and see about getting some. It is just that I don't see him that often because of the distance. Hope all is well with you. Geo the Bear ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Stephen Lamade" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:15:36 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Die Da Jiu Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Most jows used for acute injuries contain herbs that reduce inflamation, move fluids (blood and lymph), and kill pain (i.e, have analgesic properties). The problem is that many others are intended for chronic injuries, in which case the herbs (or proportions of different herbs) have different properties. Others originated in cold climates, where waking up from a bed on a cold stone or earth floor presented its own set of problems... Jows for chronic pain due to stiff, calcified or scarred tissue (sequela from an old shoulder dislocation, for example) have herbs that are quite warming. These jows are inappropriate for recent injuries because they are counterproductive in cases where there is inflamation. There are also cases where a jow is used on a joint injury, but the martial artist feels as if the problem has been made worse. This sometimes occurs because the jow has an astringent effect on the muscles, tendons, and ligaments that bind the joint together, (thereby pulling stretched and weakened tissue tighter, for example) but the bones that articulate in the joint are still out of allignment. Tom Bisio and Frank Butler are teaching an external herbs class this March in New York City (www.tombisio.com). To give you an idea of the kinds of things that can get talked about in his class, here's a (slightly edited) reproduction of some of my notes from the class (I apologize for the edits - but why steal my teachers' thunder?) xxx Used to stretch tight muscles. Use in conjunction with Tui Na techniques. Contains herbs that move the blood and relieve pain, including musk to penetrate obstruction and Tibetan saffron, an expensive and powerful herb. Use as a powder to rub on the skin. Make a plaster by mixing powdered herbs with Vaseline and covering with a dressing, or make an ointment to use with massage. xxx This is also available from xxx. Relaxes muscles and relieves tension in the ligaments and tendons. Can use before a work out to help warm up muscles, or after to prevent stiffness from over exertion. Good liniment for Tui Na. xxx Considered very good for bone bruises, injuries to tendons and ligaments, fractures and joint pain. Kills pain, moves Blood and Qi; strengthens and heals tendons and bones. For external use only. Cannot apply to head and front of torso – over the viscera. Fairly neutral in temperature, so may be used over fresh injuries, or if inflamed. Massage into affected areas. Rub lumps flat. Soak cloth or cotton with liniment and apply over area as a poultice. It tightens up ligaments - so make sure that the joint is set properly before applying. xxx This is a standard jow for minor injuries. Regulates heat and opens the meridians. Slap into bruises and rub knots flat. For a fresh sprain you can wrap it with gauze. Don’t use on open cuts. (Note: this appears in Tom's column in the March edition of "Inside Kung Fu" magazine) xxx This is available from xxx. It is a blood moving liniment with a cooling nature. Good for initial inflamed state of an injury, instead of ice (1st 24 hours). Not for chronic, cold and damp injuries (Bi Syndrome). Used for injuries to bones, muscles, and tendons. Contains philodendron and alum, which are cooling herbs. Fairly good liniment – but TSD Dit Da Jow is better. xxx Can be used internally or externally. Externally use on face, head or over the internal organs (i.e., where the previous liniment cannot be used). Take internally for sprains, contusions, and lumps, or for blows or trauma that penetrate internally, unless there is internal bleeding. Decoct raw herbs in cases of internal injury – formula is stronger in this form. With this and many other types of blood-moving injury formulas, do not take internally if there is suspicion of internal bleeding. It is effective for black eyes if rubbed lightly into area. xxx Use for acute injuries to the muscles – especially large muscle areas and the belly of the muscle. Also for muscle pulls and tears. Can be used for inflammation as the herbs have a cooling nature. Use as a poultice with egg white. It is sometimes useful to mix a little oil as it makes the liniment more viscous and easy to use with Tui Na techniques. xxx A Tui Na liniment to be used for injuries to the muscles, that is, large muscle areas or the belly of the muscle. Use in conjunction with Tui Na techniques. Soak herbs in one liter of alcohol. xxx A Tui Na liniment to be used for injuries to the joints; it effects ligaments, cartilage and bone. Warming. Proportions listed for alcohol and herbs seem incorrect. Would make sense to use 4-5 Qian of each herb and at least one gallon of liquor. xxx This is a warming and pain-killing liniment. Use in cases of chronic injury when you suspect Cold in the channel. This is considered very good for tendonitis. It helps prevent Bi Syndrome. xxx A strong Tieh Ta Jow for moving the blood and Qi and breaking clots. It is fairly warming due to the inclusion of two varieties of aconite, Rou Gui (cinnamon bark), and Xiao Hui Xiang (Fennel). It will also be expensive because it contains She Xiang (Musk) and Hu Gu (Tiger Bone), illegal and expensive substances (although substitutes are available). The warming qualities of this jow make it good for Damp-Cold Bi. To reduce its warming nature, remove the aconite. Not suitable for fresh, inflamed injury. xxx This is a fairly strong commercial liniment that is particularly useful for bone bruises and fractures. Contains some hot herbs like camphor. Contraindicated if area is red and hot or inflamed. Good for Cold-Damp Bi. xxx Use for Cold and Damp Joint pain (Bi Syndrome), especially if pain is worse in the presence of Cold. Strongly penetrates Cold/Damp obstruction and relieves pain. Warming. Can be used with cupping, guasha, and chafing. xxx This is a weak liniment suitable only for minor bruises and contusions or if nothing else is available. Can be taken internally. xxx Especially good for old bruises or bruises that you feel but cannot see. Sometimes works better for these instances than Tieh Ta Jow. Contains turpentine. xxx This liniment is sometimes hard to find. Can substitute Eagle Brand Medicated Oil, but it doesn’t work as well. Good for cold in the stomach or chest, or for wry neck from wind (drafts) – this often occurs from sleeping in a draft. Warming liniment with a nice smell. It is o.k. for minor bruises. xxx Contains oil of artemesia vulgaris (moxa). Good for local circulation. Mild, good smelling liniment to remove obstruction, improve circulation and warm. Use in conjunction with moxibustion to drive herbs in. xxx This is another mild oil. Good for coughs (massage on throat and front of chest and upper back – same as Green Oil). Toothache and teething – put on teeth. It is o.k. for minor bruises. Blue Poppy herbs makes a similar product that is somewhat more warming. xxx Very good for any kind of burn, even 3rd Degree burns. You can also use for burns from moxibustion. xxx This comes in the form of an ointment. Use for burns, minor scapes, and contusions. It helps skin regenerate. You can also use for skin problems, diaper rash, hemorrhoids, and insect bites. It is expensive because it contains real pearl and jade. It disinfects and heals wounds – but not suppurating wounds. xxx Disperses minor bruises or lumps. Also for minor burns (1st Degree). xxx Use for minor aches. Has Qi dispersing and mildly warming ingredients. Can use for massage, or after chafing, guasha, or cupping, to help disperse the exterior – especially for upper back. Can also apply locally for toothaches. xxx This is a somewhat thicker, more aromatic, and more dispersing liniment than xxx. It is useful for massage, chaffing, guasha, and cupping. xxx It is like Vicks Vapo-Rub. Main ingredients are menthol and camphor. It is a warming, thick ointment for muscle aches and to disperse cold. Red Tiger Balm is stronger and more warming. Use for guasha and after cupping. As you can see, there is a wide variety of jows, liniments, and oils available for treating martial arts injuries - and this is why some work for some people some of the time... If I may continue my shameless plug for just a moment longer, following are other topics discussed in Tom's and Frank's excellent seminar: Principles of Die Da Trauma Medicine Revival Methods External Application of Herbs Poultices Plasters Liniments Soaks How to make Trauma Liniment (Die Da Jiu) and other medicinals Guasha Cupping Treatment of Sinew (tendon/ligament) Injuries Treatment of Injuries to the Bone Internal Trauma Formulae Dietary Considerations in the treatment of traumatic injury and orthopedic problems Best, Steve Lamade --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:26:28 -0800 (PST) From: "EDUARDO R. MENESES JR" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Las Pinas/Paranaque/Muntinlupa instructors Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey guys, I'm looking for arnis/eskrima/kali instructors/schools based in Las Pinas/Paranaque/Muntinlupa or nearby areas.Thanks. Atty. Jun Meneses Las Pinas, Metro Manila __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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