Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 03:04:52 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #81 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2100 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Cacoy to visit Europe (Shawn Keren) 2. Looking for FMA in the Surigao del Norte area down in Mindanao (Louie Jerome Velasquez) 3. Socratic MA is Better than Freudian MA.... (Nat Nickele) 4. RE: Question regarding teacher ranks (marko.ronkainen@nokia.com) 5. Oliver Twist !! (Jorge Penafiel) 6. Re: Cacoy to visit Europe (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Shawn Keren" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Cacoy to visit Europe Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:42:03 -0800 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Do you have GM Canete's schedule for his time in the US? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray" To: "Eskrima" Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 3:02 PM Subject: [Eskrima] Cacoy to visit Europe > Cacoy to visit Europe September > by Gabby Malagar > Cebu City > March 2, 2005 > > After holding a series of lectures and seminars in the United States starting on April 17, eskrima Grandmaster Ciriaco "Cacoy" Canete plans to visit Europe in September. > > The first seminar will be held in Noy Cacoy's US residence in San Jose City, California. > > On the other hand, Noy Cacoy's first stop-over in Europe will be in Hamburg, Germany on September 3-4. He will then proceed to Poland on September 10-11 upon invitation of his two disciples in Dominik Sierpiejko and Jan Nycek, who personally came to Cebu last week to formalize the invitation. > > Noy Cacoy will be in Moscow on September 17-18 before winding up his European Tour on September 24-25 in England where he is expecting more than 200 students attending the seminar. > > Meanwhile, there will be a world eskrima convention on June 11 in Los Angeles, California. > > At least 10 Cebuano eskrimadors will represent the country, but they have to undergo a rigid training at the Cacoy Doce Pares World Federation headquarters along C. Padilla Street, this city. > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2100 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Louie Jerome Velasquez" To: Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:30:02 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Looking for FMA in the Surigao del Norte area down in Mindanao Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I will heading down to Surigao del Norte Mindanao in May and would like to know if there is anyone I can hook up with that teaches any of the filipino martial arts. Louie & Vicky Velasquez louie.j.velasquez@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 02:21:07 -0700 From: Nat Nickele To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Socratic MA is Better than Freudian MA.... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey all. Thanx for all your posts. Instead of answering all your questions in separate posts, I thought I would do it in one big 'un. First of all, I am selfish and have motives beyond training new students and freaking with their minds for my amusement. Namely, I want to force myself to analyze MA in a different way than I'm used to. I want to distill all the crap I've learned over the years into good principles (Zen koans or something) that can embody MA in general. Secondly, I'm out of practice and I am afraid if I use anyone but newbies, I might get my butt kicked. ;P Also, I want to get the students actively involved in their learning. I don't want students mimicking me; I want them to think and to be able to analyze situations for themselves. (Why memorize 47 variations of an arm bar when you can just learn the principle of an arm bar and then adapt the principle to fit an arm bar-ish situation?) Jonathan Kessler said: >Hi Nat, >Could you describe what that might look like? I'd >like to better appreciate your vision before >commenting. >JK Sure Jonathan! BTW, I thought you showed good character (or at least tactful reservation) by asking in this way. A brief description of my plan: -This class would probably be limited to 4-6 people with little to no MA experience. -I was thinking of giving abstract fundamentals (or is it basics? I'm so confused!) ala Monty Python's "Not Being Seen" (http://www.dodgecitytalk.com/hidden.html) such as: Rule #1: Don't get hit. Rule #2: Get out of the way. #3 Position strategically… Etc,etc. I will expound on and/or make up these fundamentals in a later post. -After I throw some of them there abstract ideas at them, give them a simple scenario on which to brainstorm together. Start with something simple like a #1 strike to the head. Ask them to come up with some solutions. Lots of experimentation and role play. ->This is the best part< I become the "what if monkey" and begin to pick apart their solutions ala the abstract fundamentals. Does the solution work? Does it violate the abstract fundamentals? Add more role play and experimentation. I get to be the guy "who stays up to the into the wee hours of the morning figuring out what bizarre questions to ask during the next class," thus thwarting potential monkeys. (Thanks Krauser) -Lastly I send them out into the world to research how various systems deal with similar scenarios for homework. Once again, I am selfish and lazy and want to make everyone else do the work. Marc MacYoung said: "The problem is however, often the way that intelligentsia use the Socratic method is a disguised attack on your beliefs instead of getting you to really think. Remembering that Socrates made it a habit of asking people questions about what they thought they knew and then revealing holes within that system...and then proceeding to reveal to the benighted souls why he was "right" (Okay so he was bitchslapping straw-men that's another issue entirely). " -If I am not mistaken, didn't Socrates piss off so many people with his passive-aggressive "bitch-slapping" that he was given the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to commit suicide? Someone forgot to tell Socrate not to eat were he craps. "What failed to happen however, is turning the same practice on his own works. Therein lies a serious weakness. How do you know your own stuff works if you haven't had it put it through tests by other people -- tests that you didn't design?" -I am hoping to use my students as guinea pigs and my class as my lab. Plus, I was gonna pick the collective ED brain a bit too… "Let us take the lowly punch for example…. What HAS to be there in order for it to work? What are the "primary colors" so to speak that makes up for a punch? Things that must be present in order for that blow to deliver power? Things that if they are lacking all you are doing is waving your arms around?" -A very good point. Maybe I could say that while many styles have a different prescription for how to punch; all effective punches share several things in common. For example, a solid punch comes from aligning your body in such a way that energy from a large mass (such as the leg & hips) is efficiently transferred to/through a small mass (the fist). More simply put: strong hits come from efficient energy transfers. Certainly this is a simple and generic statement, but it allows students to explore their options by looking at what other arts do. Maybe I'll point them in certain directions and give suggestions. Hopefully experimentation, with the idea of energy transference, will help them develop what works for them over time. "Once you have figured out what needs to be in a punch, you can tell the students these fundamentals. And believe me, they are always there. THEN, as you work with the students you can ask -- when things go wrong -- what fundamental wasn't there in what he/she was doing?" -Oh yeah, I forgot you said that before I wrote my last point. However, it took me so long to eek that out of my rusted brain that I refuse to edit/delete it. Nyah, Nyah "(If you don't want to come out to Colorado to get punched by me, feel free to stop into a local boxing gym and have them demonstrate how well they can punch using these three fundamentals)" [editor's note: this is taken out of context. I don't think he is actually threatening me.] -To bad I'm allergic to pain; I bet I could learn a lot from being punched by you. Well maybe I'll take you up on your offer if I'm up in CO, but you have to buy me dinner first. Anyways, thanks for all the input, every body; keep it coming. WoodyTX, I liked your UHF reference the most. -Nat Nickele --__--__-- Message: 4 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Question regarding teacher ranks Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:26:38 +0200 From: To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The stem of the word is "puno", head, chief, thus "punong guro" means "chief instructor/teacher" or "head instructor/teacher". - Marko > -----Original Message----- > From: ext Jared Dame [mailto:jareddame@gmail.com] > Sent: 26 February, 2005 20:47 > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] Question regarding teacher ranks > > > What does Punong mean? > -- > Jared Dame > jareddame@gmail.com > "If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at > least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things." > Rene Descartes > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2100 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Jorge Penafiel" To: Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:07:35 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Oliver Twist !! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Really, this guy is genuinely unique, one of a kind that comes along and best at what he does - whimper and stir things up that are non of his business!! In his last note, he was very apologetic for his first blunder which I thought was a great move to rid himself out of his miscues. He could have been excused, but then again before the bell rings, gives you shot in the groin by inferring to the Five Pillars of KI as recent "Party Lines (Internal Politics)". Geeze !! And this is coming from a "new "guy with interest in FMA. A way to go to get yourself accepted by the Forum - start a Fire !! Well, he got balled-out, busted, so he excused himself out and even quoted Rene Deskartes. Sleek!! Anyhow,,back to normalcy!!!. Jorge Penafiel --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Cacoy to visit Europe To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:26:35 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Please remember to trim reply emails. > Do you have GM Canete's schedule for his time in the US? I'm sure it is under construction from now thru June timeframe. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest