Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:27:19 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #98 - 14 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Re: Ground vs. cop vs. MMA vs. training (Steve Kohn) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 05:51:33 +0000 From: "schwarz571@frontiernet.net" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] re: training in san antonio Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net i am personally aware of one school in particular... ptk-pitbulls 10415 perrin beitel road, suite 201 san antonio, texas 78217 (210)646-6404 or (210)364-7633 guro mike --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 06:15:04 -0500 From: lunghsing@aol.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Cop stuff Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all, Wow! A lot of discussion about something ( finally) that I know a little bit about. I've been a police officer for 27 years, which officially qualifies me for Oldfarthood and a DefTac instructor for much of that time. I've also been an FTO and Sgt and have always been involved in the training done at ny department ( my motto : the more you sweat in training, the less you bleed on the street ). I've taught my recruits that, when things head south, you have probably made a mistake somewhere along the way - taken a bad position, failed to notice warning signs, escalated when you should have de-escalated, failed to control suspect movement, etc.. . That being said, there are times that things blow up and no matter how much post-mortem debriefing you put yourself through, you just can't figure out where you took the wrong turn to crapville. But most of the time, the situation should have been controlled long before it got physical ( or, as Barney Fife used to say "Nip it, Andy, nip it in the bud! ). I have noticed a disturbing trend among young cops just out of the academy in the last 5-10 years. They seem to be more worried about being sued or getting an IA than in going home in one piece. Frequently, the first good ass whuppin' cures this tendency but not always. I went through the academy in 1978 ( where we wrote on papyrus by the light of candles ) and did not have this conditioning. I try to get recruits to understand that if something looks or feels wrong then it probably is and to act on that feeling. I reccomend that they read Gavin deBeckers book " The Gift of Fear' ( yeah, he's a little preachy but the information's good ). Well, gotta put on the monkey suit and hit the street. See ya. Steve Holley HSPD #8 --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "William Schultz" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 06:22:33 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Training in San Antonio Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net If you're going to be in San Antonio, I would highly recommend contacting Guro Gabriel Martinez. Gabe@CustomFighting.com http://www.ptk-pitbulls.com/Pekiti-Tirsia-Kali.htm Best Regards, William Schultz New England Pekiti-Tirsia Pitbulls Mongrel Combative Systems. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "John Johnson" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: Who was he Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:07:41 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net You are all (maybe that is to general a statement) quick to criticize, when we should be offering our condolences first. You can criticise later. I know I'm usually a lurker here but in the Past Marc amongst others here have offered me very good knowledgable advice. So to you Marc, my condolences, I am sorry for your loss. Peace Out John --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "barry meadows" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:28:13 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Axe murder Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Man held after daylight axe murder 15 March 2005 A man is being questioned over a brutal daylight axe murder which stunned residents in an upmarket area of north London. Shocked witnesses described how the victim's head was turned to "mush" after he was set upon in Eton Avenue, Swiss Cottage. Nick Blackford, 20, said the "calm and precise" killer seemed unworried as he handed himself over to armed police. Other witnesses had told him how the attacker shouted "you've had this coming for 20 years" before he bludgeoned his victim to death with the 2ft weapon. Two workers from a nearby building site arrived carrying iron bars to try to stop the attack but were too late. The 61-year-old victim was married with children and lived nearby while the suspect was from the Camden area. Detectives are investigating links between the two men, who are thought to have been known to each other but were not related. Scotland Yard said: "Officers believe that this is unlikely to have been a random attack but an open mind is being kept as regards motive at this stage." "Inquiries are under way to establish any relationship between the victim and the suspect." The suspect, aged 37, was taken to Holborn police station after being arrested at the scene. He did not appear to have a history of mental illness. Scotland Yard said a post mortem examination on the victim is to be held at St Pancras mortuary. Police said he had suffered severe head and facial injuries but had not been decapitated. Eton Avenue was sealed off while detectives carried out a forensic examination of the scene. Police said a murder inquiry had now been launched and an incident room opened. >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2100 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Ken Borowiec/Rudolph Research Analytical" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Who was he Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:45:15 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net He sounds like he must have been a good Martial Artist and instructor caught in a bad situation, period. I feel that's all that should matter. My condolences as well to all his family, friends, and students. May they carry on what he knew and loved. Kenny --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:25:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] for fun Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Methods of Defense Against Brute Force From Defensive Exercises by Donald Walker (1840) http://ahfaa.org/bruteforce.htm Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:53:13 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Kohn Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Ground vs. cop vs. MMA vs. training To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ray, Steve Kohn agrees with you but Steve Kohn still thinks that speaking of ones self in the third person is silly (see...). -Steve Kohn Ray wrote: > ...but referring to himself in the third person is amazingly silly. It's > tough to let that go. If you haven't noticed already, we here are mostly a big collection of "different" people. If it weren't for the colorful folks here it would be a rather boring place to hangout. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2100 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:57:39 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Kohn Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: Who was he To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net My condolences as well. I'm guilty of bad timing with the point I was trying to make. No disrespect meant to either the gentleman who passed or his family and friends. Respectfully, Steve Kohn John Johnson wrote: You are all (maybe that is to general a statement) quick to criticize, when we should be offering our condolences first. You can criticise later. I know I'm usually a lurker here but in the Past Marc amongst others here have offered me very good knowledgable advice. So to you Marc, my condolences, I am sorry for your loss. Peace Out John _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2100 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Ground vs. cop vs. MMA vs. training To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:22:28 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Well I'll be buggered by a bear... Ummm... interesting. Mayhaps you've been in CO for too long. :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Ground vs. cop vs. MMA vs. training To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:23:42 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Steve Kohn agrees with you but Steve Kohn still thinks that speaking of > ones self in the third person is silly (see...). And Woofing like a dog isn't? Ray "don't bite me, Crafty" Terry :) rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:07:23 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Kohn Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Ground vs. cop vs. MMA vs. training To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I ain't touching that one with a 31" stick! -Steve Ray wrote: > Steve Kohn agrees with you but Steve Kohn still thinks that speaking of > ones self in the third person is silly (see...). And Woofing like a dog isn't? Ray "don't bite me, Crafty" Terry :) rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2100 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Marc MacYoung" To: Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:03:12 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Ground vs. cop vs. MMA vs. training Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >> After all, as my critics are so fond of saying my technique isn't that >> good, >> but despite this, somehow I just manage to muddle along. >> M > Jimmy Page was a mediocre guitarist, but he did OK, too. > WoodyTX I have always found the ability to function effectively under stressful conditions to be more applicable than perfect technique. Developing refinement in technique is very much a matter of growth in one's art... a good and noble goal. It is something that one should pursue. But it does not automatically equate to being able to do that perfect technique when someone is trying to play show and tell with your vital organs. Which is why a mediocre player who can perform under stress will fare better in a live-fire situation than someone with perfect form who can't. Perfect technique does not bridge this chasm. Of course when you run up against someone who has both this commitment and technique...you REALLY understand the line out of Hellboy. "Ohhhh this is gonna hurt...." M --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:08:12 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Kohn Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Ground vs. cop vs. MMA vs. training To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Actually, Jimmy Page was an excellent guitarist, because, despite not having great technique, he still managed to make great music. Technique is a means to a musical (or combative) end...thats all. It just has to serve the task at hand as effectively as possible. The pretty stuff is for the movies. Who here hasn't seen a "sloppy" street fighter kick butt? It doesnt matter if it looks good, it just matters if he wins. I've seen guys fight that have clearly never had a lesson that I would be stupid not to approach with caution. Even though I really hate to quote Bruce Lee, I will anyway. He said: "Techique is anything that scores"...'nuff said. -Steve Kohn Marc MacYoung wrote: >> After all, as my critics are so fond of saying my technique isn't that >> good, >> but despite this, somehow I just manage to muddle along. >> M > Jimmy Page was a mediocre guitarist, but he did OK, too. > WoodyTX I have always found the ability to function effectively under stressful conditions to be more applicable than perfect technique. Developing refinement in technique is very much a matter of growth in one's art... a good and noble goal. It is something that one should pursue. But it does not automatically equate to being able to do that perfect technique when someone is trying to play show and tell with your vital organs. Which is why a mediocre player who can perform under stress will fare better in a live-fire situation than someone with perfect form who can't. Perfect technique does not bridge this chasm. Of course when you run up against someone who has both this commitment and technique...you REALLY understand the line out of Hellboy. "Ohhhh this is gonna hurt...." M _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2100 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest