Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 03:04:24 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #101 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2100 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Wuzzup? (Marc Denny) 2. Re: Animal's crankiness (WoodyTX) 3. Knife & handgun (Ray) 4. Re: Wuzzup? (WoodyTX) 5. Woody's advice (jay de leon) 6. (no subject) (Andrew Astle) 7. Diony in LA (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:00:39 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Wuzzup? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > -Steve > > Ray wrote: > > Steve Kohn agrees with you but Steve Kohn still thinks that speaking of > > ones self in the third person is silly (see...). > > And Woofing like a dog isn't? > > Ray "don't bite me, Crafty" Terry :) Wuzzup dogs? :-) > > Jimmy Page was a mediocre guitarist, but he did OK, too. > > WoodyTX When I was 15 years old (1967) as I so often did, I snuck out of the house one night and took the subway down to the East Village. Around 0100 a kindly security guy let me sneak into the Anderson Theater (a block down from what was to be the Fillmore East) and there was this wild band with a guy playing the guitar with a violin bow. Twas LZ before there first record. I later saw them when they shared the bill with Iron Butterfly at the Fillmore East. JP seemed pretty good to me, but I thought the power trio plus singer structure of the band overworked him. A rhythm guitar/keyboard player would have been a good idea IMHO, just like The Doors could have used a bass player. I always loved the interplay of Jorma Kaukonen on guitar and Jack Casady on bass in Jefferson Airplane and Hot Tuna. Of course Jimi was in a league of his own-- saw him twice, the second of which was the concert which became the record "Band of Gypsies-- New Year's Eve at Fillmore East. Trivia: Jimi's drummer Mitch Mitchell often sat in with the JA when they played the Fillmore East, and Casady often jammed with JH. He can be heard on Electric Ladyland and Live at Winterland. MM says Jimi offered Casady the bass slot in the JH Experience but Jack stayed loyal to the JA. > Which is why a mediocre player who can perform under stress will fare better > in a live-fire situation than someone with perfect form who can't. Perfect > technique does not bridge this chasm. Indeed. > Of course when you run up against someone who has both this commitment and > technique...you REALLY understand the line out of Hellboy. "Ohhhh this is > gonna hurt...." My sentiments whenever I fought Top Dog. The Adventure continues, Crafty Dog --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:30:17 -0600 From: WoodyTX To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Animal's crankiness Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net MA vs SD? Preaching to the choir? Who hasn't had this question asked of them: "What should I learn to defend myself? Not like bar-fights, but for really bad situations." My answer: Get a CHL (Concealed Handgun License), and put over a thousand rounds downrange every year. Work retention drills, quick draws, shooting while moving, distraction techniques, etc. And always wear shoes you can move in. Even the best martial arts techniques aren't 100% effective against a sufficiently aggressive opponent. However, 230 grains of .45 caliber to the spinal column tends to stop everything short of a Grizzly Bear. Yes, I love sticks and knives and swords, but you don't see cops or soldiers going to work with a 31" piece of rattan and a Cold Steel folder. When it's you and your loved ones on the line, DO NOT GO UNDER-ARMED. WoodyTX, ED Choir Member On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:07:15 -0800, Marc MacYoung wrote: (snip) > However, I would like to point something else out, while I acknowledged > above that this list is one of the better ones on the internet. I have been > hammered on this list before for pointing out that MA is not the same thing > as SD. (As I say on my Web page, I love the MA, they literally saved my > life, but they are not the same thing as self-defense in a modern, western > society. Nor is self-defense the same as fighting). (snip) > M --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:58:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] Knife & handgun Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > My answer: Get a CHL (Concealed Handgun License), and put over a > thousand rounds downrange every year. Work retention drills, quick > draws, shooting while moving, distraction techniques, etc. And always > wear shoes you can move in. > > Even the best martial arts techniques aren't 100% effective against a > sufficiently aggressive opponent. However, 230 grains of .45 caliber > to the spinal column tends to stop everything short of a Grizzly Bear. > > Yes, I love sticks and knives and swords, but you don't see cops or > soldiers going to work with a 31" piece of rattan and a Cold Steel > folder. When it's you and your loved ones on the line, DO NOT GO > UNDER-ARMED. A recent episode of Shooting Gallery shows John Farnum teaching his famous handgun class. I took it many years ago and it looks like John hasn't sat on his butt all these years, but he has added new material to the course. It showed him talking about also carrying a folder along with your concealed handgun. He demoed a typical Harries flashlight hold, but had a pocket knife in the hand that would typically hold a Sure-Fire flashlight. Good stuff. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:02:59 -0600 From: WoodyTX To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Wuzzup? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Helluva story. I was more referring to some of the flat notes he hits in the live shows and even on some of the more intricate solos on the albums. Not at all like the intentional flat notes you get from, say Billy Gibbons (ZZ Top). But we're way the heck off topic. JP's strength was in his riffs and energy, just as Steve Vai is a masterful technician, but lacking in emotion and feeling. Everyone's got their strengths, you just have to know how to maximize them. WoodyTX On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:00:39 -0800, Marc Denny wrote: > > > Jimmy Page was a mediocre guitarist, but he did OK, too. > > > WoodyTX > > JP seemed pretty good to me, but I thought the power > trio plus singer structure of the band overworked him. A rhythm > guitar/keyboard player would have been a good idea IMHO, just like The Doors > could have used a bass player. > The Adventure continues, > Crafty Dog --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:49:54 -0800 (PST) From: jay de leon To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Woody's advice Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "DO NOT GO UNDER-ARMED." Best advice I have seen in ED to date. For somebody who grew up in the Philippines, let me illustrate what that means. I knew a politician's son we will call Fred, who had his normal share of political and personal enemies. Fred would go into a nightclub and have drinks with a date, probably armed with a handgun. Two bodyguards with handguns would be discretely seated about three tables away. Outside in the parking lot, in a separate vehicle would be 3 bodyguards with the heavy-duty stuff. Moral of the lesson : If you get in a fight in the Philippines, even if you are packing, chances are, you are seriously UNDER_ARMED. I suggest walking away while you still can. The above is not an isolated example. I have many other examples. Jay de Leon WoodyTX wrote: MA vs SD? Preaching to the choir? Who hasn't had this question asked of them: "What should I learn to defend myself? Not like bar-fights, but for really bad situations." My answer: Get a CHL (Concealed Handgun License), and put over a thousand rounds downrange every year. Work retention drills, quick draws, shooting while moving, distraction techniques, etc. And always wear shoes you can move in. Even the best martial arts techniques aren't 100% effective against a sufficiently aggressive opponent. However, 230 grains of .45 caliber to the spinal column tends to stop everything short of a Grizzly Bear. Yes, I love sticks and knives and swords, but you don't see cops or soldiers going to work with a 31" piece of rattan and a Cold Steel folder. When it's you and your loved ones on the line, DO NOT GO UNDER-ARMED. WoodyTX, ED Choir Member On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:07:15 -0800, Marc MacYoung wrote: (snip) > However, I would like to point something else out, while I acknowledged > above that this list is one of the better ones on the internet. I have been > hammered on this list before for pointing out that MA is not the same thing > as SD. (As I say on my Web page, I love the MA, they literally saved my > life, but they are not the same thing as self-defense in a modern, western > society. Nor is self-defense the same as fighting). (snip) > M _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2100 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:50:48 -0500 From: Andrew Astle To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] (no subject) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello, I can echo Mr. de Leon's comments having been to the southern Philippines myself. They have a gun culture like you would not believe. Every business establishment that could afford it had armed guards, especially the banks. There are usually 2 gentlemen outside the bank that let you in, one fellow has a shotgun and the other a military style automatic rifle. Other heavily armed guards inside the bank let you out. Bank robbery Filipino style does not leave any witnesses. I made a friend of a city policemen who made light of my FMA skills, saying everybody fights with guns, so why bother with FMA for self defense? He allowed me to shoot his M-16 (I believe it was) and his Israeli 9MM. The shooting range? Some benches in a field with cans and bottles on them. Andrew Astle --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:56:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] Diony in LA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net fyi... Dionisio "Diony" Canete in Los Angeles, CA Saturday, April 16 9AM to 4PM Chevy Chase Rec Center 4165 Chevy Chase Drive LA, CA 90039 The seminar will cover: single stick, double stick, espada y daga, mano y mano and knife. For more info contact Erwin Mosqueda @ erwin_mos@yahoo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest