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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2100 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Mr. de Leon & Mr. Woody Examples... (jj gayo) 2. monitoring your students attendance (Patrick Davies) 3. RE: monitoring your students attendance (1@msfencing.org) 4. Re: monitoring your students attendance (Jared Dame) 5. Bakbakan Gathering of Warriors in Los Angeles (jay de leon) 6. It's still a safe place to be (Deveyra, Tito A.) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:05:54 -0800 (PST) From: jj gayo Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Mr. de Leon & Mr. Woody Examples... To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net As what my buddy clint has said things happens there... I too had a little bit of slice in regards to UNDER_ARMED...I happend to serve as secutiry to a local mayor in the PI, election time is a hair raising event of time in the PI specially in the hinterlands when campaign in places like barrios that you've never heard nor existed before...you never know if a contra partido (opponent party) is waiting to make trouble or what...we even import goons for additonal manpower if you know what I mean...hope this add a little bit of info too, might not be related to UNDER_ARMED... james Clint Cayson wrote: I also grow up in Southern Philippines and "seriously Under-Armed" is not a very wise decision. Especially if you are a political figure - enemies are much closer than you think and friends are somewhat the opposite. I've seen many things happened in Southern Philippines repeatedly and Mr. Woody's and Mr. de Leon's advise are the best examples and very practical... C ++++++++++++++ "DO NOT GO UNDER-ARMED." Best advice I have seen in ED to date. For somebody who grew up in the Philippines, let me illustrate what that means. I knew a politician's son we will call Fred, who had his normal share of political and personal enemies. Fred would go into a nightclub and have drinks with a date, probably armed with a handgun. Two bodyguards with handguns would be discretely seated about three tables away. Outside in the parking lot, in a separate vehicle would be 3 bodyguards with the heavy-duty stuff. Moral of the lesson : If you get in a fight in the Philippines, even if you are packing, chances are, you are seriously UNDER_ARMED. I suggest walking away while you still can. The above is not an isolated example. I have many other examples. Jay de Leon ********************* _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2100 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:07:17 -0000 From: "Patrick Davies" To: "eskrima digest" Subject: [Eskrima] monitoring your students attendance Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Can I call on the experience of the variety of people here and ask how do you monitor your students attendance and their payments? I currently use a card system that sees the instructor sign the box and it tells us whether the membership allotment is still valid. The member buys a card each month and which states how many classes they are entitled to that month. They sign in a book at the beginning of class and the instructor crosses off a box. If no card then they pay cash. However with our growth in classes some instructors forget to sign the cards and the students tend to leave their cards lying around on the signing in book. We also don't have a reception and receptionist at the moment. I'm looking at software (preferably for a mac) that allows students to swipe in so if anyone has any experiences with that can you perhaps advise on what you use. Perhaps you use a simple and effective system that you could share? Whilst not strictly FMA it is the infrastructure of many of our schools that could benefit. Thanks in advance. Patrick Davies www.amag.org.uk --__--__-- Message: 3 From: <1@msfencing.org> To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] monitoring your students attendance Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:19:28 -0600 Organization: 1@msfencing.org Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Can I call on the experience of the variety of people here > and ask how do you monitor your students attendance and their > payments? I have been teaching Classical Fencing and Historical Swordsmanship at my own salle (Mississippi Academy of Arms) for 25 years. For many years I had trouble with people not paying their dues on time or at all. Because of this and my overly forgiving attitude I was taken advantage of and could never keep a healthy cash flow. Also members would drop out for a couple of months and then drop back in. After many years of this I reached the point where I was totally burned out. It was either quit teaching or make some major changes. I decided that from that point on I only wanted to spend my energy teaching people who were as serious about learning as I was about teaching. I personally believe that it takes a bare minimum of six months to really learn and internalize the foundational elements which make up the basics of classical fencing (the martial art I teach). Additionally it takes about six months of consistent study for a person to have enough experience in an art to form an educated opinion as to whether it is truly something they would like to dedicate a number of years (or a lifetime) studying. And so I solved both problems as follows: I quit offering monthly memberships and began offering only six month memberships, which I sold for $360. I gave them the option of paying for it in full in advanced or through six monthly installments which must be drafted from a bank account. If they chose the installment plan they signed a legal agreement to pay it off. My bank set me up with an online program (which they provided) which allows me to enter my students bank information and automatically draft their accounts each month. It has worked wonderfully for many years now. My cash flow problems ended with that first $360 payment. About half of my student pay in full in advanced and the other half make use of the drafted installment plan. Because they have a good bit of their money invested the students tend to take advantage of the all of the class offering and they miss far less of them than before. Folks don't drop out of sight any more. They stick with the program for the full six months. And by that time they have learned enough to want to stick with and keep progressing in it. I have many more long-time students now, several of whom who go back 13 years. This solved my two biggest problems: 1. How to get people to stick with fencing long enough to know enough about it to want to keep doing it. 2. How to get people to pay their dues on time. Blessings, Rez Johnson "Standing guard on old, forgotten roads, that no one travels anymore." THE FENCING MASTER by Arturo Perez Rez Johnson, M d'A Headmaster: Mississippi Academy of Arms (Mississippi Fencing Academy) President: United States Traditional Fencing Association Certified Fencing Instructor: (USTFA, TFI, AAI, USFCA) Certified Fencing Master Apprentice: (USTFA, USFCA) Teaching Classical Fencing and Historical Swordsmanship since 1980 Modern Sport Fencing Coach 1980 - 2002 Mississippi Academy of Arms P.O. Box 955 Pelahatchie, MS 39145-0955 E-Mail: 1@MSFencing.org Academy Website: http://MSFencing.org USTFA Website: http://traditionalfencing.org "Eala Earendel engla beorhtast ofer middangeard monnum sended." Crist of Cynewulf > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick Davies [mailto:Patrick.Davies@subsea7.com] > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 7:07 AM > To: eskrima digest > Subject: [Eskrima] monitoring your students attendance > > Can I call on the experience of the variety of people here > and ask how do you monitor your students attendance and their > payments? > > > > I currently use a card system that sees the instructor sign > the box and it tells us whether the membership allotment is > still valid. The member buys a card each month and which > states how many classes they are entitled to that month. They > sign in a book at the beginning of class and the instructor > crosses off a box. If no card then they pay cash. > > > > However with our growth in classes some instructors forget to > sign the cards and the students tend to leave their cards > lying around on the signing in book. We also don't have a > reception and receptionist at the moment. > > > > I'm looking at software (preferably for a mac) that allows > students to swipe in so if anyone has any experiences with > that can you perhaps advise on what you use. > > > > Perhaps you use a simple and effective system that you could share? > > > > Whilst not strictly FMA it is the infrastructure of many of > our schools that could benefit. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Patrick Davies > > www.amag.org.uk > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2100 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:52:07 -0700 From: Jared Dame To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] monitoring your students attendance Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Who ever was looking for Mac software that might be used to track student attendence send me an email to jareddame@gmail.com I might have a solution for you if you are using MacOS X. J On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:19:28 -0600, 1@msfencing.org <1@msfencing.org> wrote: > > Can I call on the experience of the variety of people here > > and ask how do you monitor your students attendance and their > > payments? > > I have been teaching Classical Fencing and Historical Swordsmanship at my > own salle (Mississippi Academy of Arms) for 25 years. > > For many years I had trouble with people not paying their dues on time or at > all. > Because of this and my overly forgiving attitude I was taken advantage of > and could never keep a healthy cash flow. > > Also members would drop out for a couple of months and then drop back in. > After many years of this I reached the point where I was totally burned out. > It was either quit teaching or make some major changes. > I decided that from that point on I only wanted to spend my energy teaching > people who were as serious about learning as I was about teaching. > > I personally believe that it takes a bare minimum of six months to really > learn and internalize the foundational elements which make up the basics of > classical fencing (the martial art I teach). Additionally it takes about six > months of consistent study for a person to have enough experience in an art > to form an educated opinion as to whether it is truly something they would > like to dedicate a number of years (or a lifetime) studying. > > And so I solved both problems as follows: > > I quit offering monthly memberships and began offering only six month > memberships, which I sold for $360. > I gave them the option of paying for it in full in advanced or through six > monthly installments which must be drafted from a bank account. > If they chose the installment plan they signed a legal agreement to pay it > off. > My bank set me up with an online program (which they provided) which allows > me to enter my students bank information and automatically draft their > accounts each month. > > It has worked wonderfully for many years now. > My cash flow problems ended with that first $360 payment. > About half of my student pay in full in advanced and the other half make use > of the drafted installment plan. > Because they have a good bit of their money invested the students tend to > take advantage of the all of the class offering and they miss far less of > them than before. Folks don't drop out of sight any more. They stick with > the program for the full six months. And by that time they have learned > enough to want to stick with and keep progressing in it. I have many more > long-time students now, several of whom who go back 13 years. > > This solved my two biggest problems: > > 1. How to get people to stick with fencing long enough to know enough about > it to want to keep doing it. > 2. How to get people to pay their dues on time. > > Blessings, > Rez Johnson > > "Standing guard on old, forgotten roads, that no one travels anymore." > THE FENCING MASTER > by Arturo Perez > > Rez Johnson, M d'A > Headmaster: Mississippi Academy of Arms (Mississippi Fencing Academy) > President: United States Traditional Fencing Association > Certified Fencing Instructor: (USTFA, TFI, AAI, USFCA) > Certified Fencing Master Apprentice: (USTFA, USFCA) > Teaching Classical Fencing and Historical Swordsmanship since 1980 > Modern Sport Fencing Coach 1980 - 2002 > > Mississippi Academy of Arms > P.O. Box 955 > Pelahatchie, MS 39145-0955 > > E-Mail: 1@MSFencing.org > Academy Website: http://MSFencing.org > USTFA Website: http://traditionalfencing.org > "Eala Earendel engla beorhtast > ofer middangeard monnum sended." > Crist of Cynewulf > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Patrick Davies [mailto:Patrick.Davies@subsea7.com] > > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 7:07 AM > > To: eskrima digest > > Subject: [Eskrima] monitoring your students attendance > > > > Can I call on the experience of the variety of people here > > and ask how do you monitor your students attendance and their > > payments? > > > > > > > > I currently use a card system that sees the instructor sign > > the box and it tells us whether the membership allotment is > > still valid. The member buys a card each month and which > > states how many classes they are entitled to that month. They > > sign in a book at the beginning of class and the instructor > > crosses off a box. If no card then they pay cash. > > > > > > > > However with our growth in classes some instructors forget to > > sign the cards and the students tend to leave their cards > > lying around on the signing in book. We also don't have a > > reception and receptionist at the moment. > > > > > > > > I'm looking at software (preferably for a mac) that allows > > students to swipe in so if anyone has any experiences with > > that can you perhaps advise on what you use. > > > > > > > > Perhaps you use a simple and effective system that you could share? > > > > > > > > Whilst not strictly FMA it is the infrastructure of many of > > our schools that could benefit. > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > Patrick Davies > > > > www.amag.org.uk > > _______________________________________________ > > Eskrima mailing list, 2100 members > > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > > Standard disclaimers apply > > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2100 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > -- Jared Dame jareddame@gmail.com "If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things." Rene Descartes --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:29:00 -0800 (PST) From: jay de leon To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Cc: tek_victoria@yahoo.com, godoffai@yahoo.com Subject: [Eskrima] Bakbakan Gathering of Warriors in Los Angeles Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net My brother-in-arms Guro Roger Agbulos is helping host this event for friend and fellow arnisador GM Rey Galang, and I am helping him by posting this announcement. Please do not miss this exciting event. Say hi to Roger, Rey and myself if you do go to the event. Jay de Leon Mabuhay!!! BAKBAKAN INTERNATIONAL Invites you to participate in the GATHERING OF WARRIORS - 2005 FILIPINO MARTIAL ARTS INVITATIONAL TOURNAMENT USA TEAM (Southwest) SELECTION APRIL 9, 2005 to be held at the IMPACT MARTIAL ARTS & FITNESS CENTER 2131 Colorado Blvd., Los Angeles, CA 90041 Tel: (323) 350-8500 MEN’S AND WOMEN’S DIVISIONS SINGLE STICK * DOUBLE STICK* SWORD & DAGGER * LONG SWORD * KNIFE FIGHTING FLYWEIGHT *LIGHTWEIGHT * MIDDLEWEIGHT * HEAVYWEIGHT Please visit our website (www.bakbakan.com) for Tournament Rules & Regulations. World Headquarters (WHQ) Champions of each event will be eligible to participate in the International Tournament to be held in Metro-Manila Oct 15-16, 2005. October 10 - 14 are seminar/workshop days featuring the some __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:32:02 -0800 From: "Deveyra, Tito A." To: Subject: [Eskrima] It's still a safe place to be Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net A follow up to Jay De Leon's post: Guns are everywhere in the Philippines. I've witnessed high school fraternity "rumbles" (two fraternities agree to meet at a predetermined place and time) where someone pulled out an M-16 from his trunk and people (I mean my classmates) started scrambling. Of course, this was preceded by the other side pulling out a .45. Yes, high schoolers in Manila. This was around 1980-81. The prevalent attitude there is "shoot now, ask later". That is, if there is still someone alive to ask. This applies to both good and bad guys. Online banking is really a life saver. You'd not want to be caught in a bank during a robbery. If you think you can deter the robbery by having a concealed weapon you're wrong. When those guys barge in with guns ablaze with automatics M-16s (we call them armalites) they tend to shoot anyone that they think may carry a gun. Nagpapaulan sila ng bala (They rain bullets/ They spray you with bullets). If you're next to a kid that's collateral damage. Even in Manila, Quezon City, Cebu or Makati - the major metropolitan cities of the country security guards are armed. Think of going to Walmart, Target or the mall and all the guards are armed with a handgun and shotgun or m-16. After a while you tend to ignore it. It's a part of life. Mind you, these shoot-em-ups are not really common in the metropolitan cities such as the ones I mentioned above. But they do happen from time to time. And they do attract media attention. There was an incident a couple of years ago in a restaurant in Makati where a pominent politician/actor and his body guards tangled with some other armed folks. I can't remember if this was triggered by a "masamang tingin" (looking "bad" at someone or someone's girl) or a dispute over a parking space. Three or four years ago one person shot his friend for heckling him after a bad rendition of Frank Sinatra's My Way at a karaoke bar. They were both armed. These usually happen with more high profile figures. If you lay low and try not to be macho and a smart ass you'd be okay. You never know if you piss the wrong person off. These violent encounters are more common in the southern part of the Philippines (Mindanao). But you should still be able to travel safely. Hey, even in LA you can get shot for tailgating (like my friend on the 10-fwy near West Covina). I was there a couple of years ago (2003) with friends both in Cebu and Manila and we were very safe. We were travelling with friends and using the public transportation system and hangin out late in public places within the city and outskirts. If you know locals you should be okay. Remember to always be respectful of the people and the culture. Respect the elders. The thing they hate the most are "bastos" (disrespecful, boorish) and "walang utang na loob" (being ungrateful, thankless). Don't make people feel like you are using them. If you take lessons take time to write your teacher a note and keep in touch. Show your appreciation and just don't fall off the face of the earth. Ask politely and most often indirectly. Don't demand. Even though poverty abounds, they don't owe you anything. You are not entitled to a lesson. They are not obligated to teach you. They have pride and dignity. If they offer you something try it first before refusing. They will highly appreciate the attempt over outright dismissal. Don't be load and don't attract attention. It's a safe and wonderful place with a beautiful culture. Visit the Philippines and the root of the art! Tito Deveyra --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest