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Bringing blades back into the US (Ed Peregrino) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: <1@msfencing.org> To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] KNIVES & BLADED WEAPONS LAWS Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 10:38:49 -0600 Organization: 1@msfencing.org Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In Mississippi, where I live we have fairly permissive laws regarding guns, knives, and swords in comparison to many other states. We can carry folding knives of any length. We can also use them if we have sufficient cause. Even the more restricted weapons have many "exceptions" which allow one to carry and use them. See below: Mississippi Code : Crimes § 97-37-1. Deadly weapons; carrying while concealed; use or attempt to use; penalties. (1) Except as otherwise provided in Section 45-9-101, any person who carries, concealed in whole or in part, any bowie knife, dirk knife, butcher knife, switchblade knife, metallic knuckles, blackjack, slingshot, pistol, revolver, or any rifle with a barrel of less than sixteen (16) inches in length, or any shotgun with a barrel of less than eighteen (18) inches in length, machine gun or any fully automatic firearm or deadly weapon, or any muffler or silencer for any firearm, whether or not it is accompanied by a firearm, or uses or attempts to use against another person any imitation firearm, shall upon conviction be punished as follows: (a) By a fine of not less than One Hundred Dollars ($100.00) nor more than Five Hundred Dollars ($500.00), or by imprisonment in the county jail for not more than six (6) months, or both, in the discretion of the court, for the first conviction under this section. (2) It shall not be a violation of this section for any person over the age of eighteen (18) years to carry a firearm or deadly weapon concealed in whole or in part within the confines of his own home or his place of business, or any real property associated with his home or business or within any motor vehicle. (3) It shall not be a violation of this section for any person to carry a firearm or deadly weapon concealed in whole or in part if the possessor of the weapon is then engaged in a legitimate weapon-related sports activity or is going to or returning from such activity. For purposes of this subsection, "legitimate weapon-related sports activity" means hunting, fishing, target shooting or any other legal sports activity which normally involves the use of a firearm or other weapon. § 97-37-9. Deadly weapons; defenses against indictment for carrying deadly weapon. Any person indicted or charged for a violation of Section 97-37-1 may show as a defense: (a) that he was threatened, and had good and sufficient reason to apprehend a serious attack from any enemy, and that he did so apprehend; or (b) that he was traveling and was not a tramp, or was setting out on a journey and was not a tramp; or (c) that he was a law enforcement or peace officer in the discharge of his duties; or (d) that he was at the time in the discharge of his duties as a mail carrier; or (e) that he was at the time engaged in transporting valuables for an express company or bank; or (f) that he was a member of the Armed Forces of the United States, National Guard, State Militia, Emergency Management Corps, guard or patrolman in a state or municipal institution while in the performance of his official duties; or (g) that he was in lawful pursuit of a felon; or (h) that he was lawfully engaged in legitimate sports; or (i) that at the time he was a company guard, bank guard, watchman, or other person enumerated in Section 97-37-7, and was then actually engaged in the performance of his duties as such, and then held a valid permit from the sheriff, the commissioner of public safety, or a valid permit issued by the secretary of state prior to May 1, 1974, to carry the weapon; and the burden of proving either of said defenses shall be on the accused. Blessings, Rez Johnson "Standing guard on old, forgotten roads, that no one travels anymore." THE FENCING MASTER by Arturo Perez Rez Johnson, M d'A Headmaster: Mississippi Academy of Arms (Mississippi Fencing Academy) President: United States Traditional Fencing Association Certified Fencing Instructor: (USTFA, TFI, AAI, USFCA) Certified Fencing Master Apprentice: (USTFA, USFCA) Teaching Classical Fencing and Historical Swordsmanship since 1980 Modern Sport Fencing Coach 1980 - 2002 Mississippi Academy of Arms P.O. Box 955 Pelahatchie, MS 39145-0955 E-Mail: 1@MSFencing.org Academy Website: http://MSFencing.org USTFA Website: http://traditionalfencing.org "Eala Earendel engla beorhtast ofer middangeard monnum sended." Crist of Cynewulf --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Richard Killlick" To: Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:35:23 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] Re:Carrying knifes in the UK Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Pat makes a good point below, I know at least two people who do FMA in the UK who were pulled over by the police and searched on separate occasions. Both were wearing "gung ho" FMA tee shirts which featured figures chopping each other. One was found with two blades when he was stopped in a shopping centre and he was nicked on the spot for having two blades over 7 inches. Believe it or not he was going to the cinema. (Plonker). One night after training in FMA with Bob Breen, I was walking down the road where I live with my training bag full of training knifes, sticks and sledge hammer handle etc. Apparently I matched the description of a suspected bugler who had been disturbed and fled into my area. Two policemen stopped me for some Q/A. I was polite and did as they said. I opened my bag, showed them the training gear and after a 5 minute discussion on the merits of FMA training they let me get on my way. I think Crafty Dog used to teach/train in a public park in LA where the local LEO's used to sit in their cars for a coffee break. As far as I know he never had a problem because again he's polite. However we have all meet people at FMA workshops, who carry a main battle knife, plus 17 back up blades who just do not know how to interact with others. LEO's I know tell me that most people just talk their way in to getting nicked by not being honest. Regards Richard "not attracting attention. they always say that you have to watch the quiet one in a group as hes the dangerous one, they have even had a tv advert for the police which emphasised that point. as a doorman, when faced with a group of people that i wasn't allowing in it wasnt the most verbal one that had my undivided attention. I was taught to scan the group, look for the quiet one that had positioned themselves to take you out "watch out for the quiet one at the back, just waiting for the smallest crack" a lyric from a song a long time ago" On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 15:35:12 -0800, Michael Koblic wrote:> I understand that a knife like Ryan 7 would be considered illegal in UK - > how do you get away with it? --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:13:22 +0100 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re:Carrying knifes in the UK Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net did they ever catch the Buglar, Richard? Was he charged with sounding a bugle with no music ability? ; )) good to see you posting! On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:35:23 +0100, Richard Killlick > > ..... Apparently I matched the description of a suspected > bugler who had been disturbed and fled into my area. -- iPat live for today, live for tomorrow "Truth is a pathless land. Man cannot come to it through any organisation, through any creed, through any dogma, priest or ritual, nor through any philosophic knowledge or psychological technique. He has to find it through the mirror of relationship, through the understanding of the contents of his own mind, through observation and not through intellectual analysis or introspective dissection..." --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:38:37 -0800 (PST) From: Joe Talmadge Subject: Re: [Eskrima] KNIVES & BLADED WEAPONS LAWS To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net --- Ray wrote: > Yes, I believe the laws will vary by state. > > > Now California the cutting surface must be under 4 inches and I could > > not find any restrictions on the hilt for a folder knife. > > Do you have a CA PC section to quote for the above? I haven't noticed any > such limits, save perhaps for limitations wrt school grounds, state > buildings, > the definition of a switchblade, etc. While there are some municipalities that have their own blade length limits -- the big gotcha in CA -- you're correct that there is no statewide 4" limit as the original poster wrote. Except for in the switchblade section, etc. 12020 ("dirks and daggers", etc.) and 653k (switchblades) are the applicable sections. Joe > > ??? > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2100 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "rob mulligan" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:34:09 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] knife carry Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net My teacher, PG Amante Marinas, has written extensively on balisongs, knife fighting, and knife throwing, yet he rarely carries a knife. His reason is to avoid dependence on the knife and fear of traveling without it. Makes sense to me… --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:52:01 -0500 From: "Clint Cayson" To: Subject: [Eskrima] RE: KNIVES & BLADED WEAPONS LAWS Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ray Terry, et al. Thanks for the information. Clint --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:31:14 -0500 From: lunghsing@aol.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] knife carry in FL Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Clint, The laws in florida talk about a "common, folding pocket knife". This has been interpreted by case law to be a non-automatic, bi-fold knife. There is no hard and fast rule about blade length and this applies to concealed carry. You may not conceal a fixed blade knife ( unless you want to see the inside of your local correction intake facility for CCW ). Got a call, gotta go. Steve --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Ed Peregrino" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:39:16 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Bringing blades back into the US Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I have brought back blades several times from the Philippines.  One occasion was when I brought back a dozen bolos, 6 pairs of kris and of course a handful of balisongs from Batangas.  So far, I have not had any problems as long as I do have them in my checked in luggage, even if they are all in one luggage.  They were, of course, tied with the yellow nylon strap by the PNP to make sure that they are not opened.  Even when I got here in the US, I was not questioned when returning from LA to Seattle.  So far so good, but I guess it's all a matter of timing or it could depend on which airport you are flying out of. Gumagalang, Ed Peregrino Hufana Traditional Arnis International Worlf Filipino Martial Arts Association - www.worldFMA.com   --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest