>From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #120 - 11 msgs >Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 07:11:27 -0800 > >Send Eskrima mailing list submissions to > eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net > >You can reach the person managing the list at > eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Eskrima digest..." > > ><<---- The Sudlud-Inayan Eskrima/Kali/Arnis/FMA mailing list ---->> > >Serving the Internet since June 1994. >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > >The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. >2100 members. >Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). > >See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine >for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com > >Mabuhay ang eskrima! > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Clothing (Mike Casto) > 2. Re: second motion on politeness (iPat) > 3. Re: second motion on politeness (Andrew Maddox) > 4. Web forum opinions? (Andrew Maddox) > 5. Re: Clothing (Young Forest) > 6. Re: Web forum opinions? (iPat) > 7. Re: second motion on politeness (Jonathan Kessler) > 8. More on Politeness... (Clint Cayson) > 9. Re: Clothing (Ken Borowiec/Rudolph Research Analytical) > 10. Re: More on Politeness... (Shawn Keren) > 11. Re: Clothing (Shawn Keren) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >From: "Mike Casto" >To: >Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Clothing >Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 00:13:47 -0500 >Organization: I.M.P.A.C.T. Academy of Martial Arts >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >I wear MA (FMA and otherwise) t-shirts regularly - mostly because the bulk >of t-shirts I own are of that type. I have had a few people ask me about >them but never in an aggressive way - just curious. Only once did I get a >guy who wanted to test me but even he wasn't aggressive; he just asked me >to >illustrated what I'd do in a "what if" scenario. I've never had any trouble >with LEO while wearing them. > >But it may be a difference between the US & UK LEO. I don't know. But I've >worn that type of shirts in quite a few places around the US and never had >a >problem. I was probably wearing them when I was in the UK, too, but I was >only there for a few days a couple of years ago. > >Mike > >-----Original Message----- >From: Michael Koblic [mailto:mkoblic@uniserve.com] >Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 9:08 PM >To: Eskrima digest >Subject: [Eskrima] Clothing > >"I know at least two people who do FMA in the UK who were pulled over by >the >police and searched on separate occasions. Both were wearing "gung ho" FMA >tee shirts which featured figures chopping each other." > >This is another good point: Why would you want to advertise the fact that >you are doing or associated with FMA? Surely you attract unwanted attention >either by the LEOs or wannabes who want to find out how good you really >are. >And if it hits the fan, why would you want to give the other guy a warning? > >Michael Koblic, >Campbell River, B. C. >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2100 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:36:48 +0100 >From: iPat >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] second motion on politeness >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >this is returning to a thread here a few years back, but i used to use >the term SIR frequently when dealing with customers in the nightclubs. >SIR has different connotations here in the UK, it is seen as a class >issue (expensive fee paying schools) or a discipline issue (military >etc). > >No one ever uses the term in my area so when you had someone a bit >aggravated the term would literally take them aback, make them feel >important, defuse any hostility but keep you in charge > >time to return to the defence in a public toilet thread yet? ; ) > > >-- >iPat >live for today, live for tomorrow >"Truth is a pathless land. Man cannot come to it through any >organisation, through any creed, through any dogma, priest or ritual, >nor through any philosophic knowledge or psychological technique. He >has to find it through the mirror of relationship, through the >understanding of the contents of his own mind, through observation and >not through intellectual analysis or introspective dissection..." > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 >Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:00:50 -0500 (EST) >From: Andrew Maddox >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] second motion on politeness >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, iPat wrote: > > >this is returning to a thread here a few years back, but i used to use > >the term SIR frequently when dealing with customers in the nightclubs. > > > >No one ever uses the term in my area so when you had someone a bit > >aggravated the term would literally take them aback, make them feel > >important, defuse any hostility but keep you in charge > >IME, this works pretty much the same in most places in the US, too - we're >so casual, in general, that just using the "secret weapon" of formality can >be a great disarming/defusing tool. > > >time to return to the defence in a public toilet thread yet? ; ) > >Umm, I think I need to go wash my hands... ;-) > >ND > >-- >Andrew Maddox, madsox squiggle radix point net >Are we done for the day, Sgt. Hulka? > >--__--__-- > >Message: 4 >Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:03:43 -0500 (EST) >From: Andrew Maddox >To: Eskrima Digest >Subject: [Eskrima] Web forum opinions? >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >Just as an aside, I've been surfing around looking at some of the >FMA-oriented web discussion boards people have set up, and I'm finding a >lot of them. > >Anybody have any opinions about any of them as better/worse/more diverse, >etc. that they'd like to share? This list is great (Thanks, Ray!), but I do >like to pop in to other places from time to time. > >TIA, >ND > >-- >Andrew Maddox, madsox squiggle radix point net >Are we done for the day, Sgt. Hulka? > >--__--__-- > >Message: 5 >From: "Young Forest" >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:06:46 +0000 >Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Clothing >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > >>"I know at least two people who do FMA in the UK who were pulled over by > >>the > >>police and searched on separate occasions. Both were wearing "gung ho" >FMA > >>tee shirts which featured figures chopping each other." > > > >This is another good point: Why would you want to advertise the fact that > >you are doing or associated with FMA? Surely you attract unwanted >attention > >either by the LEOs or wannabes who want to find out how good you really > >are. > >And if it hits the fan, why would you want to give the other guy a >warning? > >That's certainly the way I feel about shirts with the big logo on the back. >So, I'm going to give the guy sneaking up on me a warning? > >Badger >Siling Labuyo Arnis > >--__--__-- > >Message: 6 >Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:30:12 +0100 >From: iPat >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Web forum opinions? >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >i think if you go and ask them if they like training in Kali and the >board erupts then its worth participating in. ; ) > > > > Anybody have any opinions about any of them as better/worse/more >diverse, > > etc. that they'd like to share? This list is great (Thanks, Ray!), but I >do > > like to pop in to other places from time to time. > > > >-- >iPat >live for today, live for tomorrow >"Truth is a pathless land. Man cannot come to it through any >organisation, through any creed, through any dogma, priest or ritual, >nor through any philosophic knowledge or psychological technique. He >has to find it through the mirror of relationship, through the >understanding of the contents of his own mind, through observation and >not through intellectual analysis or introspective dissection..." > >--__--__-- > >Message: 7 >Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:57:56 -0800 (PST) >From: Jonathan Kessler >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] second motion on politeness >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >Reminds me of the old saying - "Before you judge a >man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if there's a >problem, you're a mile away and you've got his shoes!" > >While I'm on favorite proverbs, there's the old >Chinese saying: >"Build a man on fire and you keep him warm for an >evening. >Set him on fire and you keep him warm for the rest of >his life..." > >JK > > > I also find that looking someone in the eye and > > smiling broadly at > > them can defuse a situation quite nicely. And if it > > doesn't, you're > > looking him in the eye, and can read his intent > > pretty quickly. > > > > Woody > >--__--__-- > >Message: 8 >Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:15:21 -0500 >From: "Clint Cayson" >To: >Subject: [Eskrima] More on Politeness... >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >I agree with Mr. Rob Mulligan and Mr. Woody. When I was growing up, my >parents, uncles, aunts and grandparents will whack me at my behind or >pinch me on the ear if I don't pay respect to others especially elders! >Even my MA teacher would yell if I don't get what he wanted to teach me >and we learned to respect him more. I guess it paid off many things >that I'm older to understand what it meant. Thank you. > > > >~~~snip~~~ > > > >Politeness goes a long way, not just with LEO's, but in everyday life. > >I've gotten out of many a predicament with a polite smile and the words: > > >"excuse me", "sorry" or "my fault". > >You might say that it's one of the best "disarming" techniques I know. > > > >~~~snip~~~ > > > >I also find that looking someone in the eye and smiling broadly at them >can defuse a situation quite nicely. And if it doesn't, you're looking >him in the eye, and can read his intent pretty quickly. > > > >Woody > > > >~~~end of snipping~~~ > >--__--__-- > >Message: 9 >From: "Ken Borowiec/Rudolph Research Analytical" > >To: >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Clothing >Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:24:47 -0500 >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >WHat is a "LEO's" > >Kenny >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Koblic" >To: "Eskrima digest" >Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 9:08 PM >Subject: [Eskrima] Clothing > > > > "I know at least two people who do FMA in the UK who were pulled over by >the > > police and searched on separate occasions. Both were wearing "gung ho" >FMA > > tee shirts which featured figures chopping each other." > > > > This is another good point: Why would you want to advertise the fact >that > > you are doing or associated with FMA? Surely you attract unwanted >attention > > either by the LEOs or wannabes who want to find out how good you really >are. > > And if it hits the fan, why would you want to give the other guy a >warning? > > > > Michael Koblic, > > Campbell River, B. C. > > _______________________________________________ > > Eskrima mailing list, 2100 members > > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > > Standard disclaimers apply > > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > >--__--__-- > >Message: 10 >From: "Shawn Keren" >To: >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] More on Politeness... >Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 07:51:26 -0800 >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >Respect is a good thing, politeness is a necessity IMHO. However I've >happened upon some folks in MA and in life that just seem to be too polite >and too "respectful" (I'm sure we've all had similar experiences). >I'll relate a couple MA ones to make my point. A couple new students, >totally unrelated to each other and both joined at different times a few >years apart. They came into the school of my instructor and were seemingly >humble and respectful, but to a point where it almost seemed forced. I was >the instructor at classes that both of these people attended and sometimes >it was almost sickening and embarrassing the way they kissed my ass before, >during and after class. To me it just didn't sit right, nothing I could do >about it (it wasn't my school) so I just made my feelings known to my Sifu >and filed the info away. >One of them eventually got into a position where he was handling some of >the >incoming payments from students and some of this money started >dissappearing.... then he dissapeared. >The other one is still around (although my Sifu has sinced moved way) still >trains and still has the same "respect" problem. He hasn't gotten very far, >he's one of those folks with lots of ability, tons of potential and a >completely shitty work ethic. He wants to get promoted but myself and the >other person that do that here have both decided that he isn't ready. Fact >is we almost failed him on his last testing. > >Back on point, respect is one of those things that needs to be tempered >with >self-respect. While I'm always respectful to LEOs and elders, etc.. I'm >careful to not come off like a phony. Maybe some folks won't see through >it, >but the ones that matter probably will. > >Shawn >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Clint Cayson" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:15 AM >Subject: [Eskrima] More on Politeness... > > > > I agree with Mr. Rob Mulligan and Mr. Woody. When I was growing up, my > > parents, uncles, aunts and grandparents will whack me at my behind or > > pinch me on the ear if I don't pay respect to others especially elders! > > Even my MA teacher would yell if I don't get what he wanted to teach me > > and we learned to respect him more. I guess it paid off many things > > that I'm older to understand what it meant. Thank you. > >--__--__-- > >Message: 11 >From: "Shawn Keren" >To: >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Clothing >Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 07:52:06 -0800 >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >Law Enforcement Officers > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ken Borowiec/Rudolph Research Analytical" > >To: >Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:24 AM >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Clothing > > > > WHat is a "LEO's" > > > > Kenny > > >--__--__-- > >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima >http://eskrima-fma.net >Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima > >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com >Standard disclaimers apply. >Remember September 11. > >End of Eskrima Digest