Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 06:54:32 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #129 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2200 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. WORKOUT MUSIC (Roy Parker) 2. Re: bad examples and/or wing chun (WoodyTX) 3. Re: bad examples and/or wing chun (iPat) 4. Boston Area (Steven Lefebvre) 5. Re: WORKOUT MUSIC (Jared Dame) 6. Re: bad examples and/or wing chun (Jared Dame) 7. RE: bad examples and/or wing chun (Wieneke, Myron) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Roy Parker" To: Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 23:01:57 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] WORKOUT MUSIC Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Let me put my two cents in for the best workout music. The best that I have found is Brent Lewis. Check out his drums at www.brentlewis.com. The beat can't be beat. Roy Parker --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 22:36:02 -0500 From: WoodyTX To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] bad examples and/or wing chun Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net True. One of the Gracies was recently quoted as saying that it's a tragedy that only the sport applications of BJJ were being taught by some. Like you're going to have a gi and a cup when you tangle in a back alley.... :-O Any art, taught properly and trained regularly, can be used in Real Life situations. (At least in my inexpert opinion...) The problem is when the number of bad examples exceeds the number of good examples. Or when two instructors "fight it out" and it turns into a brawl. Frankly, I wasn't there, and I haven't seen the video. I don't know if Wing Chun techniques were used, but I'm sure some of the reaction speed gained in WC training helped. That said, it sounds like some Panatukan would have helped.... Woody On Apr 5, 2005 9:11 PM, noirpalm wrote: > Being a relative novice compared to many people here I never post but: > any very popular style of martial arts often develops alot of bad examples for the general public to point out and ridicule. > This list includes tae kwon do, Wing Chun, ninjitsu, karate, tai chi, and with enough time will include BJJ and the FMAs'. > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Make Yahoo! your home page > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 09:52:00 +0100 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] bad examples and/or wing chun Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net good point, but the bad examples are already there. Complaints about blue or purple belts teaching and only get their belts in order to create the club corporate finance machine FMA'ers who drill without going anywhere as most of their training is seminar based. JKD and the greed of certain people who have now registered every word possible and even threaten litigation agains members of their own familly. We could go on but its a tired argument Focus on what is good for you, speak highly of those who represent what is good. Attending our BJJ class right now is a Judo 4th dan from Japan. We are sharing, training and learning. People dont highlight the positives and sensationalise the negatives.Change starts with every one of us. On Apr 6, 2005 3:11 AM, noirpalm wrote: > Being a relative novice compared to many people here I never post but: > any very popular style of martial arts often develops alot of bad examples for the general public to point out and ridicule. > This list includes tae kwon do, Wing Chun, ninjitsu, karate, tai chi, and with enough time will include BJJ and the FMAs'. > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Make Yahoo! your home page > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > -- iPat live for today, live for tomorrow "Truth is a pathless land. Man cannot come to it through any organisation, through any creed, through any dogma, priest or ritual, nor through any philosophic knowledge or psychological technique. He has to find it through the mirror of relationship, through the understanding of the contents of his own mind, through observation and not through intellectual analysis or introspective dissection..." --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Steven Lefebvre" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 09:55:46 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Boston Area Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Walter, I currently have two Sayoc Kali groups running. The main one is in Manchester NH, the other is a training group in Chicopee Ma. There will be a Sayoc Kali seminar at Quantum Martial arts Cross Training Centers, Inc.(Located in HealthTrax) 155 Ashely ave West Springfield, Mass, 01089 When: May 15th Time: 10:00am – 5:00pm Cost: Prior to 4/5/05 $75.0 At the door = $95.0 Contact: Guro Sandra Sabatini at (413) 563-2355 You can reach me at www.Bujinkandojo.net, or Airyu@hotmail.com. For other FMA instructors Guro Wes Tasker, Guro Jason Couture, Guro George Brewster are all in your area. Gumagalang Guro Steve L. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 08:06:50 -0600 From: Jared Dame To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] WORKOUT MUSIC Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I have to agree. I just purchased DrumSex and use it for my training on the bag and sparring sessions. J On Apr 5, 2005 9:01 PM, Roy Parker wrote: > Let me put my two cents in for the best workout music. The best that I have > found is Brent Lewis. Check out his drums at www.brentlewis.com. The beat > can't be beat. > Roy Parker > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > -- Jared Dame jareddame@gmail.com "If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things." Rene Descartes --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 08:28:51 -0600 From: Jared Dame To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] bad examples and/or wing chun Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Remember that in a situation for wing chun guy his defense against a ground fighter might be to claw an eye out or bite in those situations so a cage match is just that a cage match. There are some rules not many but enough to ensure that people for the most part will leave the fight even after losing not missing an eye or ear. Also that video shows the Wing Chun master who is not in shape and obviously never tangled with a ground fighter, his training should have a least gone over some of the essentials of ground training like the SPEAR methods of beating a grappler or something giving him a little more of a chance. The other comment is that in the back alley with a bunch of bruisers I more likely to pull my knives or at least remain on my feet during the fight as I do not want someone clubbing me in the back of the head while I go for the mount and pound the guy on the ground. I do train the ground extensively but always in equal parts with my boxing, trapping, weapons, and kicking game. Salamat, J On Apr 5, 2005 9:36 PM, WoodyTX wrote: > True. One of the Gracies was recently quoted as saying that it's a > tragedy that only the sport applications of BJJ were being taught by > some. Like you're going to have a gi and a cup when you tangle in a > back alley.... :-O > > Any art, taught properly and trained regularly, can be used in Real > Life situations. (At least in my inexpert opinion...) The problem is > when the number of bad examples exceeds the number of good examples. > Or when two instructors "fight it out" and it turns into a brawl. > > Frankly, I wasn't there, and I haven't seen the video. I don't know > if Wing Chun techniques were used, but I'm sure some of the reaction > speed gained in WC training helped. That said, it sounds like some > Panatukan would have helped.... > > Woody > > > On Apr 5, 2005 9:11 PM, noirpalm wrote: > > Being a relative novice compared to many people here I never post but: > > any very popular style of martial arts often develops alot of bad examples for the general public to point out and ridicule. > > This list includes tae kwon do, Wing Chun, ninjitsu, karate, tai chi, and with enough time will include BJJ and the FMAs'. > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Make Yahoo! your home page > > _______________________________________________ > > Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members > > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > > Standard disclaimers apply > > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > -- Jared Dame jareddame@gmail.com "If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things." Rene Descartes --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Wieneke, Myron" To: "'eskrima@martialartsresource.net'" Subject: RE: [Eskrima] bad examples and/or wing chun Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 15:30:19 +0100 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Actually what pi$$es me of is people pretending to know a certain martial art, "teaching" it and actually degrading it in the eyes of its students or people who don't know any better. Classic example, my 8 year old nephew is taking karate classes in a school that supposedly also teaches them other arts/weapons. He's already a "black-belt" (grrr, but that's another story) and his parents told me he also learned arnis. So I go to him and said "Hey I heard you were learning some arnis from your school" and he said "I'm way past arnis". His father then said he learned one arnis kata and that for them was what arnis was all about! Talk about trivializing the art !!! I would hope that these teachers would at least tell their students that what they are teaching is just an "drop in the ocean" to get their feet wet in the different martial arts, but I guess that's expecting too much... Myron -----Original Message----- From: WoodyTX [mailto:woodytx@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:36 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] bad examples and/or wing chun True. One of the Gracies was recently quoted as saying that it's a tragedy that only the sport applications of BJJ were being taught by some. Like you're going to have a gi and a cup when you tangle in a back alley.... :-O Any art, taught properly and trained regularly, can be used in Real Life situations. (At least in my inexpert opinion...) The problem is when the number of bad examples exceeds the number of good examples. Or when two instructors "fight it out" and it turns into a brawl. Frankly, I wasn't there, and I haven't seen the video. I don't know if Wing Chun techniques were used, but I'm sure some of the reaction speed gained in WC training helped. That said, it sounds like some Panatukan would have helped.... Woody On Apr 5, 2005 9:11 PM, noirpalm wrote: > Being a relative novice compared to many people here I never post but: > any very popular style of martial arts often develops alot of bad examples for the general public to point out and ridicule. > This list includes tae kwon do, Wing Chun, ninjitsu, karate, tai chi, and with enough time will include BJJ and the FMAs'. > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Make Yahoo! your home page > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima ============================================================================== This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. 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