Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:00:21 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #143 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2200 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. FMA in the movies... (Clint Cayson) 2. ... GUN KATA... (Clint Cayson) 3. Re: The 7 Biggest Muscle Myths (Jonathan Kessler) 4. Thank you all and how about???? (Walter Vorhauer) 5. Re: ... GUN KATA... (WoodyTX) 6. Re: The 7 Biggest Muscle Myths (WoodyTX) 7. Re: ... GUN KATA... (Ray) 8. Re: [Eskrima]FMA Desktop Wallpaper (Ruel Apostol) 9. Carry a concealed frying pan (MSKBEvans@aol.com) 10. FMA in Hollywood movies (Leo Salinel) 11. Bruce Buffer interview, not FMA (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:14:37 -0400 From: "Clint Cayson" To: Subject: [Eskrima] FMA in the movies... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I forgot about him... he had several FMA fight scenes that he choreographed in "the crow" TV series. Although I have not seen all the TV series but a friend of mine told me this. One of his movies that I also like was "double dragon" now there's lots of FMA and TKD fight scenes. __________________________________________ Signed & Approved by: Clint V. Cayson --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:55:01 -0400 From: "Clint Cayson" To: Subject: [Eskrima] ... GUN KATA... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net This is what I copied from J. Vickers' interview: "The idea behind Gun Kata [which is the style of martial arts developed for the movie] was taken from true martial art concepts in that if one could learn the Gun Kata to it's fullest potential defending yourself in any situation could and would be realised. As opposed to traditional weaponry, such as we used in the sword sequences, guns were used in a similar martial arts manner. They were used as extensions of ourselves, which is the concept within the martial arts of all weapons. When learning the use of any weapon within the martial arts, it is taught in the same manner as hand to hand fighting skills. Whether it be a sword, bo staff, escrima sticks, tonfa's or any other weapon they, or it, become extensions of your body and therefore manipulated in the same fluid natural way we would use our hands, elbows, feet, knees, etc. The choreography of all the action was based completely on true concepts of traditional martial arts. The Gun Kata and afterwards the use of that training within the film brought weapons training to a new level which has never been seen before Equilibrium." I'd like to think that there is probability of applying this - sounds like a scientific probability to me rather than MA probability. Thanks for reading. --------------------------------------- Hollywood, indeed. ---snip--- Barring that, there's always "Shot-Gung Fu." Woody --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 07:03:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathan Kessler Subject: Re: [Eskrima] The 7 Biggest Muscle Myths To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woody and Ray - great posts. Woody, I love the "riding the chicken" quote. At this point in my life I'm all about function. I'm much more concerned with what I can DO rather than what I look like or building a specific muscle. I can lift a pint of beer just fine, so I don't need to do curls . So I'd add to your excellent line "it's not about lifting the weight" that "it's about developing functionality - being able to DO stuff". It's about being able to hit hard and throw hard (and bring hay up to my goats and pick up my kid and ...) Too many guys build "gym strength" that they can't really translate into real-life activities. JK Excellent article. Thanks for posting it. Work your whole body. Don't do the Joe Rockhead "bench and curls" workout, and don't be the guy with flared lats, a huge chest, and toothpick legs. We used to call that "riding the chicken". Finally: it's not about lifting the weight; it's about stressing the muscle. Woody --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:03:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Walter Vorhauer To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Thank you all and how about???? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings, I'd like to thank everyone who responded to me publicly on the board and privately, and getting me hooked up with info. pertaining to Boston-area FMA practioners and teachers. It is greatly appreciated. By the way, along the same vein, does anyone have any info. on FMA practioners and teachers in South Dakota? Specifically in the town of Hot Springs, SD? Thank you again. W.v. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:23:42 -0500 From: WoodyTX To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] ... GUN KATA... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net To anyone interested in serious firearms training, I recommend the following site, especially the forums: http://www.brianenos.com/pages/home.html Brian Enos has consistently been one of the best action pistol shooters in the world, and has integrated a number of MA and Asian philosophical concepts into his training (no, there's no trapping or other CQB stuff). Because he's willing to "game out" any theories in real competition, he's been able to see what really works. Please don't consider this a snide remark against "gun kata". If you can get it to work reliably against a wide variety of opponents, more power to you. As a longtime pistol afficionado, I have some pretty strong opinions on what works and what doesn't. I personally feel that a firearms encounter at touch range calls for something other than trapping with my gun arm. But I could very well be totally wrong on this subject; it's happened before. Woody On 4/15/05, Clint Cayson wrote: > This is what I copied from J. Vickers' interview: > > "The idea behind Gun Kata [which is the style of martial arts developed > for the movie] was taken from true martial art concepts in that if one > could learn the Gun Kata to it's fullest potential defending yourself in > any situation could and would be realised. As opposed to traditional > weaponry, such as we used in the sword sequences, guns were used in a > similar martial arts manner. They were used as extensions of ourselves, > which is the concept within the martial arts of all weapons. When > learning the use of any weapon within the martial arts, it is taught in > the same manner as hand to hand fighting skills. Whether it be a sword, > bo staff, escrima sticks, tonfa's or any other weapon they, or it, > become extensions of your body and therefore manipulated in the same > fluid natural way we would use our hands, elbows, feet, knees, etc. The > choreography of all the action was based completely on true concepts of > traditional martial arts. The Gun Kata and afterwards the use of that > training within the film brought weapons training to a new level which > has never been seen before Equilibrium." > > I'd like to think that there is probability of applying this - sounds > like a scientific probability to me rather than MA probability. Thanks > for reading. > > --------------------------------------- > > Hollywood, indeed. > > ---snip--- > > Barring that, there's always "Shot-Gung Fu." > > Woody > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:27:22 -0500 From: WoodyTX To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] The 7 Biggest Muscle Myths Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thanks for the compliment. The dichotomy between functional strength and musculature that I discovered on joining the Army got me out of the "gym rat" mentality. "I can bench over 300 pounds; why the hell can't I do more than 30 push-ups?" There's a lot to be said for low-weight, high-rep (dare I say "body weight"?) exercises. Woody On 4/15/05, Jonathan Kessler wrote: > Woody and Ray - great posts. Woody, I love the > "riding the chicken" quote. > Too many > guys build "gym strength" that they can't really > translate into real-life activities. > JK --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] ... GUN KATA... To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > To anyone interested in serious firearms training, I recommend the > following site, especially the forums: > http://www.brianenos.com/pages/home.html I've never trained with Brian, but I know that Gunsite, Thunder Ranch, and LFI are top notch. As well as people like Jim Cirillo, Louis Awerbuck and John Farnam. See the list of firearms training schools at: http://www.martialartsresource.com/firearms.htm Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:22:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Ruel Apostol To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: [Eskrima]FMA Desktop Wallpaper Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Anybody knows where I can download cool FMA Desktop Wallpapers? Or perhaps some of you can share what you have? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page --__--__-- Message: 9 From: MSKBEvans@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:27:17 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Carry a concealed frying pan Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net <<<<>>> For the latest in "Tactical Folding Frying Pans" check this site http://www.pebbleshop.com/store/330336.html http://www.jastown.com/cooking/fp-248.htm If you are still teaching old fashioned Rapier and Dagger technique and have not been certified in the latest methods of Frying pan and spatula fighting you are woefully behind the industry standard and will soon lose all your custormers to someone who keeps up with modern fighting methods. ;-) --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 19:56:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Leo Salinel To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] FMA in Hollywood movies Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sure, it's nice to see some FMA in Hollywood movies, but we do hope they go beyond just showing stick twirling in sinawali drills. I hope they feature FMA in its proper context, and where it is clearly and explicitly acknowledged as Filipino martial arts, just like THE HUNTED. It would be best if they did a movie featuring World War II and Filipino-American history. How about a biography movie of the late GM Leo Giron? His exploits are worthy, and IMHO more worth seeing than the stuff shown in the movie "Windtalkers". Not that I have anything against the Native Americans, but surely a guy who trained under mango trees in Pangasinan with live blades at age 9 and who practiced in California's vegetable fields in his late 20's would make for more exciting swashbuckler fight scenes, right? (Especially a scene where there's a Japanese banzai charge and GM Giron slashes the Jap wearing leather armor, rebounds his strike to the Jap's knee, and takes him down--all after parrying the Jap's bayonet charge.) Or we could have a movie about the old Filipino "manongs" of Stockton, California. A sort of documentary, with footage taken from guro Dan Inosanto's videos in the mid 1970s and some new footage from those manongs who are still alive in Stockton (and in Hawaii too). Earn $$ just by receiving and reading email! http://www.resource-a-day.net/member/index.cgi?Brandon96 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:44:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Bruce Buffer interview, not FMA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Recap: Bruce Buffer Exclusive Interview 24Wrestling.com by Tim Stein April 14, 2005 Recently, "The Voice of The UFC Octagon" Bruce Buffer joined Tim, Doc, Jeff and Jason to talk some Ultimate Fighting and Mixed Martial Arts. David Thomas started off by asking Bruce about his relatively unknown background as a fighter before becoming an announcer and what circumstances led to his decision to leave the world of fighting and to move into the role of announcer. Bruce related his extensive credentials in the martial arts of Judo, Tang Soo Do, Tae Kwon Do as well as Jujitsu Do. He also told how he had been surrounded by business from the age of nineteen having been involved in around twelve different self-started corporations including home security, motivational speaking and even running gun shows. However, it was injuries sustained from fighting, a reunion with his long-lost half-brother Michael and Michael's work and potential contractual conflict with WCW that led to his current field of employment. In regards to Bruce's handling of Michael's appearances with WCW, Tim asked about the over-use of Michael and whether the decision to become more of a regular took away from the uniqueness of the idea ! to have Michael working with WCW. Bruce agreed but made it clear that the decision was totally up to Michael and while from a marketing perspective it was a bad decision he could hardly fault him for wanting to do what he enjoyed. A great discussion then sprung up when comparing the differences in popularity, marketability and overall presentation between UFC, MMA and professional wrestling. Bruce cited that it was a conscious choice by UFC to remain distinct from professional wrestling by focusing on the reality of their product and removing the cliche standards of professional wrestling like the promo interviews. He also noted that what makes UFC unique is that they are learning to market themselves on-the-fly as they grow. Unfortunately mistakes will be made, exemplified by the early dependency on Tito Ortiz, but their current success stems from a focus on creating personalities and getting exposure through guys like Randy Couture and Chuck Liddell. Bruce also mentioned the success of the 'Ultimate Fighter' reality series as another marketing coup. Click here to check out WTR's archived shows, interviews and video content. Delving further into the personalities of UFC, Doc asked about recent incidents involving certain UFC fighters and how difficult it is to balance out the sometimes heated nature of the business and the struggle to popularize the product. Bruce admitted that there is a fine line between the freedom to let the fighters perform and the necessary structure of a UFC broadcast. Bruce addressed the issues surrounding Tito Ortiz, Ken Shamrock as well as "Tank" Abbott, where their behavior crossed the line and what steps were taken as a result. Tim then asked whether the appearances of people like Shamrock and Abbott in professional wrestling ultimately helped or hindered UFC. Bruce felt that Shamrock's work was a positive but that Abbott had failed because he was out of his element and wrestling was more of a weakness than strength for him. He did feel that making a fighter out of a wrestler would be a greater success than making a wrestler out of a fighter. David asked whether a cr! ossover would prove beneficial to either UFC or professional wrestling. Bruce, quite honestly, gave up two reasons why there would never be a meeting of the two fields. David then asked whether the recent rash of thuggish behavior associated with UFC stemming from incidents pertaining to talent as well as the reality television series was something that UFC and MMA saw as a problem and detrimental to the image they are striving towards. Bruce made it clear that the incidents, while definitely not favorable, need to be taken in context. The reality television especially may be providing an inaccurate portrayal of the UFC environment to generate viewer interest. Putting on his best investigative journalist hat David tried to grill Bruce for a scoop on the 'Ultimate Fighter' reality series finale. Unfortunately Bruce said that he knew just as much as the viewers but he was absolutely impressed at how the whole package has been marketed and built to support the Randy Couture/ C! huck Liddell pay-per-view the week after the finale. Bruce was! then as ked what he thought about a possible backlash against the winners of the reality show similar to that of the winners of the WWE's 'Tough Enough' competitions. Bruce said he thought the two situations were totally different in that the UFC reality fighters were put through rigorous training and were initiated into the sport the proper way. Access the interview directly by clicking here. Stepping away the fight talk David asked Bruce about his experiences making the final table at a World Poker Tour event, which professional players he admires including some celebrities who surprised him and his upcoming work on a poker project involving his UFC persona. As the interview drew to a close Bruce addressed the upcoming 'UFC 52' pay-per-view. He gave his assessment of both fighters citing their strengths and weaknesses, gave his thoughts on the choice of the odds makers and told the listeners, in his opinion, what qualities an absolutely solid fighter possesses. Without being overly committal Bruce also put forth his prediction for the outcome of the Randy Couture/ Chuck Liddell fight. As a last note Bruce was asked his advice for anyone wanting to make a career as an announcer. Characteristically the answer was honest and forthright as had been every answer given by Bruce Buffer. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest