Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 03:03:56 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #158 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2200 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. The Edge 2005 Results are in! (Larry St. Clair) 2. Kempo & FMA (kenbocan@dsuper.net) 3. Dequerdas tunnel (Ray) 4. Re: Kempo & FMA (jay de leon) 5. re: Origins of Kempo (Nat Nickele) 6. Arnis as a demo sport (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Larry St. Clair" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 00:28:53 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] The Edge 2005 Results are in! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Everyone, Once again, The Edge 2005 turned into an amazing showcase of great action put on by some of the best competitors yet! All of these martial artists were true champions by just stepping up and into the ring. This year, The Edge featured competitors from local schools such as Tai Chi People, Lopez Martial Arts, St. Clair's Martial Way Academy as well as Houston based Solis Martial Arts. The Edge attracted several other solo practitioners including Mark Machaud from Michigan. All nine competitors came together to show the audience just how bad they wanted the 23 medals and a chance to compete for one of the three Title Belts. In the end, The Edge 2005 proved to be one of the best tournaments put together. with the competitors receiving only the best treatment. This included breakfast from Cafe Java, lunch from Obee's Sandwiches and dinner from Two Fat Guys Catering. On top of this, Dan from ActionFlex Padded Weaponry not only supplied the weapons of the day; but also several extra prizes for the competitors. Then Ron Balicki and Pointman Productions offered up the very impressive JKD DVD Instruction Set for a prize. Then there was Cold Steel. All that can be said about Lynn Thompson and Cold Steel is that they rock! The competitors were given grab bags with many gifts. Then they also were given the chance to win everything from the Recon and TiLite to the Trail Master and Oyabun. Also up for grabs from Cold Steel would be their Sarong, Warriors Edge and Stun Stagger Stop DVDs. To top it off, the audience had a chance to win door prizes including Sjamboks, practice Bokkens and several of the above prizes as well. All in all, the day was a huge hit and kept not only the audience on the the edge of their seat; but the competitors as well. Results for the day: Technical Knife 1st - Roberto Vallarino 2nd - Alfredo Lopez 3rd - Rocky Gonzalez 4th - Norman Sipp Continuous Knife 1st - Title Belt - Roberto Vallarino 2nd - Rocky Gonzalez 3rd - Kenneth Bennett Knife Tusseling 1st - Norman Sipp 2nd - Mark Machaud 3rd - Roberto Vallarino Technical Sword 1st - Alfredo Lopez 2nd - Rocky Gonzalez 3rd - Norman Sipp 4th - Roberto Vallarino Continuous Stick 1st - Rocky Gonzalez 2nd - Roberto Vallarino 3rd - Alfredo Lopez Title Match - Roberto Vallarino def. Rocky Gonzalez (7th round sudden death) Close Range Stick - Hubad 1st - Norman Sipp 2nd - Rocky Gonzalez 3rd - David Cantu Open Weapons 1st - Roberto Vallarino 2nd - Mark Machaud 3rd - Norman Sipp Title Match - Roberto Vallarino def. Norman Sipp Competitor Records and more news will be posted soon at at www.EdgeFighting.com Thanks to everyone for their support and we will have more news on upcoming events including new Regional Tournaments. Sincerely, Larry St. Clair The Edge 2005 --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 10:07:45 -0400 (EDT) From: kenbocan@dsuper.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Kempo & FMA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Attempting to connect Hawaiian kenpo (kempo?) to FMA has been quite the vogue since Jeff Speakman's movie "Perfect Weapon" . After that point a lot of high ranking kenpo practitioners (who had done FMA on their own) from "rediscoved" this root of kenpo stick since it was a positive impact on their bottom line. Kajukenbo (Emperado's kenpo - he was KS Chow's first black belt) has always had a lot of FMA in it. It was never acknowledged or practiced openly but the rtoot techniques are there for anyone with the eyees top see. AD Emperado's brother, Joseph, was very good friends with Lucky Lucay-Lucay and it would have been difficult to separated the training backgrounds since the early practitioners were all of Filipino or Filipino / mixed heritages. Just as the chinese arts were held back from non chinese untill the 70's the Filkipino arts were also held back from non Filipino Hawaiians. One exception was Professor Henry Okazaki who encorporated Filipino Knife and Club techniques into his Kodenkan Danzan Ryu system. His method also encorporated some Hawaiian Lua techniques. In my conversations with these old time kajukenbo practitioners such as Jaime Basques (also a world ranked boxer in his day), of Villabraille / Largusa Kali, he said that nothing was ever hidden from the haole just that no interest was ever shown by them in it. The original kosho ryu kenpo of Mitose was heavily influenced by the structure of Danzan Ryu since it was the only real "open" school on the islands before the second world war. Mitose's organization was originally a branch of the Kodenkan before it established it's own identity. The was a group of short stick techniques in one variat of kajukenbo called "kon-bo" . I can see how this eventually evolved into kenpo stick. Unfortunately the stick in question was only 12" long. The fact that Edmond Parker knew of the existence this technical skill but did not share it with his black belt student Dan Inosanto (he did encourage him to investigate his own roots for it) shows that there was probably no real "kenpo stick" in the system of Mr Parker. More that the subsequent later training by Mr Parker's other students allowed them to include it into their versions of the system. This was legitimising it by saying it had been there all the time, only it was a secret move reserved for the chosen few. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 07:11:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Dequerdas tunnel Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Note: De Cuerdas >On Dizon account, Felizisimo Dizon, Tatang Ilustrisimo was envolved in Doce >Pares of Laguna. Which gather every Holy Friday in Mount Banahaw near the >Banahaw Cave, If this what they called De Cuerdas I dont know, I havent heard >anything about this. But difinitely Felizisimo Dizon was on the records of Doce >Pares Cathering back on the late 1950's, there only two GM who still alive >witness this,GM Pedro Balahadia (93 yrs old right now) and GM Moody Madrigal(82 >yrs old) the son of GM Felizisimo Madrigal of Paete, Laguna. Any idea.?.?. Would these Eskrimadors have employed a similar style of eskrima/arnis or were they simply a collection of fighters that got together for training or friendship? i.e. can we leap to the conclusion that Dizon, Ilustrimsimo, Madrigal and Balahadia were similar style fighters? Even though it would seem that Madrigal and Balahadia were 15 to 25 years younger than Dizon and Tatang. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 09:07:54 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Kempo & FMA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Excellent post. In the current scene, many kajukenbo, Danzan-ryu and even kenpo schools have FMA affiliations. In my experience, it is hard to see vestiges of, say, original Emperado or Okazaki FMA, considering they now cross-train all over the place. Connections that I know of include : Danzan-ryu - Inayan, Decuerdas styles, Villabrille style, Kilohana/Hawaii Martial Arts Int'l org. kajukenbo - Ted Sotelo and Doce Pares, Lucay-lucay FMA, Al Dacascos FMA kenpo - Inosanto Kali, JKD I am sure there are many more, as some of you have probably experienced. Jay de Leon kenbocan@dsuper.net wrote: Attempting to connect Hawaiian kenpo (kempo?) to FMA has been quite the vogue since Jeff Speakman's movie "Perfect Weapon" . After that point a lot of high ranking kenpo practitioners (who had done FMA on their own) from "rediscoved" this root of kenpo stick since it was a positive impact on their bottom line. Kajukenbo (Emperado's kenpo - he was KS Chow's first black belt) has always had a lot of FMA in it. It was never acknowledged or practiced openly but the rtoot techniques are there for anyone with the eyees top see. AD Emperado's brother, Joseph, was very good friends with Lucky Lucay-Lucay and it would have been difficult to separated the training backgrounds since the early practitioners were all of Filipino or Filipino / mixed heritages. Just as the chinese arts were held back from non chinese untill the 70's the Filkipino arts were also held back from non Filipino Hawaiians. One exception was Professor Henry Okazaki who encorporated Filipino Knife and Club techniques into his Kodenkan Danzan Ryu system. His method also encorporated some Hawaiian Lua techniques. In my conversations with these old time kajukenbo practitioners such as Jaime Basques (also a world ranked boxer in his day), of Villabraille / Largusa Kali, he said that nothing was ever hidden from the haole just that no interest was ever shown by them in it. The original kosho ryu kenpo of Mitose was heavily influenced by the structure of Danzan Ryu since it was the only real "open" school on the islands before the second world war. Mitose's organization was originally a branch of the Kodenkan before it established it's own identity. The was a group of short stick techniques in one variat of kajukenbo called "kon-bo" . I can see how this eventually evolved into kenpo stick. Unfortunately the stick in question was only 12" long. The fact that Edmond Parker knew of the existence this technical skill but did not share it with his black belt student Dan Inosanto (he did encourage him to investigate his own roots for it) shows that there was probably no real "kenpo stick" in the system of Mr Parker. More that the subsequent later training by Mr Parker's other students allowed them to include it into their versions of the system. This was legitimising it by saying it had been there all the time, only it was a secret move reserved for the chosen few. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 09:22:56 -0700 From: Nat Nickele To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] re: Origins of Kempo Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net FWIW, some of the people who practice what they claim to be EP Kempo have mentioned to me that they do FMA. (you may recall me compaining in one of my earlier post that in the Phoenix, AZ area about the terrible EPK students I met) Apon seeing my stick, one of them remarked, "Hey, an Arnie stick. We use those." I asked if they ment Arnis but they -ahem- corrected me and said it was pronounced "Arnie." Then I was shown what could only be a highschool baton twirling routing. Not that I have any skill in FMA to speak of, but sadly, even I could tell that they knew zip. So, in summary, because the EPK out here is like a tragic immitation of actual EPK, and they claim to know FMA, I assume that legit EPK practices some legit FMA. Also, before I get all sorts of mean and angry replies about how I talk about EPK, let me say that I have met many non-Arizonans who do EPK (or Traco, when it existed). I even know a few people who trained with Parker. They were all very impressive and knowegeable, but FMA never came up in the conversation. I just like to complain about some of the locals. So go get mad at someone else. ....Unless of course you take offense at my AZ EPK opinions; then be as mad as you want ;) -Nat --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:53:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Arnis as a demo sport Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Palarong Pambansa in Iloilo The Manila Bulletin Online By eddie alinea 28 April The Palarong Pambansa, cancelled several times last year for lack of funds, will finally be held in Iloilo on May 8-14, exactly 14 years since the seaside city last hosted the event. As agreed upon by the Philippine Sports Commission and the Department of Education, this year's edition and, perhaps the subsequent stagings of the event will be held under the auspices of DepEd. The PSC has managed and supervised the Games since 1998 until its cancellation last year. The transfer of management and supervision was contained in a department memorandum signed by DepEd Secretary Florencio Abad last April 19. This year's Palaro, according to Abad, is part of his department's celebration, making 2005 as the International Year for Sports and Physical Education as declared by the United Nations and this was welcomed by vacationing students. Austerity and simplicity, however, shall be observed in this year's edition in accordance with Administrative Order No. 103 and DepEd Order No. 61. The memorandum was furnished to all his undersecretaries, assistant secretaries, bureau and regional directors, schools division superintendents, principals and administrators so as to avoid lavish opening and closing ceremonies. Just like when the PSC took over the management of the event, competitions in this year's Palaro are consigned only for secondary and elementary levels. Sixteen events are on tap in the secondary division -- archery, athletics, badminton, baseball, basketball, boxing, chess, football, gymnastics, lawn tennis, sepak takraw, softball, swimming, table tennis, taekwondo and volleyball. Arnis will be played as a demonstration sport. Events with less than eight regional contingents participating shall be cancelled. Deadline for submission of entries will be April 30. Only 12 sports will be disputed in the elementary level. These are athletics, badminton, baseball, chess, football, gymnastics, lawn tennis, sepak takraw, swimming, table tennis, taekwondo and volleyball. This will be the only third time that Iloilo will play host to the annual conclave among in-schools athletes since its inception in 1948. The first time Iloilo hosted the Games was in 1955 when it was still known as the Bureau of Public Schools Interscholastic Athletic Association (BPSIAA) meet. The city also hosted the Games in 1991. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest