Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:49:14 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #160 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2200 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Kenpo History and Origins (Chris Cubley) 2. Kempo (Jeff Monaghan) 3. My Chinese Kempo and Modern Arnis Connection (Andrew Evans) 4. Re: NEW FLORIDA GUN LAW (Buz Grover) 5. The Mild West (Ray) 6. Kickboxing tilt slated (Ray) 7. RE: The Mild West (Leo Daher) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 06:33:56 -0500 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Chris Cubley Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Kenpo History and Origins Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I believe I might be able to shed some light on the origins of Kenpo in America, for those of you who are curious. I've studied the Japanese form of Kenpo in the James M. Mitose tradition for a while now, and found this website in my research. It contains the entire text from Professor Mitose's book "What is Self Defense?" Interesting reading for those so inclined. http://www.tracyskarate.com/History/Mitosebook/masterpage.htm Who dares, wins. - S.A.S. Motto C. Cubley --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:48:53 -0400 From: "Jeff Monaghan" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Kempo Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net George, I used to train in Des Moines with a guy (I won't mention his name) who was Pilipino. I came to his school in 1992 after having trained in Pekti Tersia (because my teacher Vic Harris had moved away) and Inosanto Kali (I had transferred from another collage in a different city). I was looking for someone to continue training with in Kali or Arnis (which was sparse in Des Moines) when I heard about some Kempo guy doing sticks. Vic Harris had 30+ years and was high-ranking black black belt in Kempo before discovering Pekti Tersia, and had exposed me to a lot of Kempo. I figured that at least I could train in Kempo if nothing else. When I checked him out his Kempo was fantastic and but his stick stuff was something else (not so good). He told me he was exposed to some stuff growing up and that he took some seminars with Leo Gaje and Dan Inosanto. His stick work was very robotic (almost on purpose to make it seem Japanese like) and he claimed it was Kempo, which used to annoy me after he had just told about taking seminars with Gaje and Dan. He practiced sword stuff, which he claimed was also Kempo and was purely BS because Chinese Kempo doesn't use samurai swords nor does any legitimate Karate/Kempo art). I was a Japanese major in college and studied Kashima Shin Ryu from William Bodiford, which is a legitimate Kenjitsu art. (A well know practitioner of Kashima Shin Ryu is Toshirô Mifune, a good stylized example is the Sword of Doom duel scene.) Many Karate teachers like to pick up a sword and try to teach it as a traditional weapon but if you know anything about history you know why that is BS. Anyway, I trained with this guy for a short time because his Kempo was really good and just tried to ignore other part. He finally suggested that if I really wanted to wanted to keep training in Kali he would introduce me to Randy Fi (used to be on this list and is a black belt under Remy in Modern Arnis). He also introduced me to Jim Perkins (Black belt under Professor Chow in Hawaii. His classes were brutal and the real deal) whom I studied Hawaiian Kempo from until I moved to California. While I don't mind people cross training in other arts it does piss me off a bit when they try to claim it was always a part of there art. The guy was really good at Kempo, but I think it turned me off to learning anything from him due to the BS factor. Jeff --__--__-- Message: 3 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: "Andrew Evans" Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 11:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Eskrima] My Chinese Kempo and Modern Arnis Connection Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The Chinese Kempo I learned from Professor Walter Godin's lineage via Universal Kempo Karate Schools Association had some escrima in it. They called it sticks probably as an effort to continually Americanize the system. Looking back, I realize how little I was taught. Keep in mind that this was over a decade ago and their training methods have probably improved as they were excellent instructors and practitioners. I thought I was pretty good back then until I met up with a Modern Arnis practitioner and eventually Grandmaster Remy Presas. They blew me away and made me realize that my blade and impact weapon training was inadequate. Nowadays, we teach Modern Arnis and Chinese Kempo Karate. Both arts highly compliment each other. As for loyalty to the systems, Prof Walter Godin's students have always been innovators. Look at John Hackleman and his student Chuck Liddell, the current UFC World Champion. Look at James Jowers and Tommy Lam of Kempo Unlimited who are widely known and respected in the Hawaiian Islands. GM Remy Presas always told his students to do your own thing... Look at Datu Kelly Worden- a prime example of a true innovator and one of the deadliest men with a blade. Look at Dr. Wilfredo Matias who effectively blends Modern Arnis, Hapkido and Karate. Countless Kajukenbo, Kempo and Kenpo practitioners have also studied Modern Arnis. Two that come to mind include the legendary Grandmaster Rick Alemany and Sifu Bill Owens. Pardon my random thoughts, Andrew Evans Hokkien Martial Arts www.TopekaKarate.com _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Buz Grover Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:58:44 -0400 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: NEW FLORIDA GUN LAW Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Clint finishes a post about the citizen use of force law now making its way through the Florida legislature with: "Scary, scary law..." Count me among those who aren't all that concerned. Though the usual suspect are making the predictable "Wild West" noise--as they have every time a concealed carry law has been enacted and despite the fact none of the cowboy doomsaying has ever come to pass--I don't think the concerns stand up to scrutiny. There are two fairly simple ways to look at the issue and mitigate any worries: Empirically. It's been reliably estimated that Americans use firearms to defend life, limb, and property more than 2,000,000 times per year. This stat is a pretty inconvenient one for the gun-grabbers, hence you don't hear much about it outside of shooting circles. Suffice to say that quite a few folks with a lot of political motivation have tried to undermine this stat, without much success. Though there has been some nitpicking and hair rending over this figure, no one has successfully countered the data or conclusions, the simplest proof being that, if they had, the Washington Post, New York Times, and MSM et al would be trumpeting the finding. So we have over 2,000,000 annual instances of firearms preventing crime; in how many of those instances is a perpetrator actually shot? Various researchers have looked at the data; the best guess I could quickly find is that in 1% of these instances the criminal is shot, and in .1% of these instances he or she is killed. In other words, the best estimate is that out of the 2 million times a bad guy gets a gun pointed at him in a given year, 20,000 times the bad guy gets shot and wounded, and 2,000 times the bad guy dies. Though I suppose you could argue that 22,000 bad guys sporting holes is a bad thing, given the 2,000,000 instance context it hardly amounts to the Dodge City apocalypse many predict. The matter can also be viewed through a practical lens. In his 1947 seminal work Men Against Fire, S. L. A. Marshall demonstrated that only a relatively small percentage of American troops involved in a given battle actually returned fire in an effective manner. Time and again various studies of soldiers and law enforcement officers have found that very few manage to return fire effectively, particularly in their first live fire engagement. Many reasons are postulated, though I think most reduce down to the fact that human beings, even despite extensive training, find it difficult to use deadly force against another person. Deadly force is a life changing event, an event most people go a long way to avoid. As the figures cited above confirm, though a lot of people have the means and opportunity at hand to shoot a fellow human, the motivation to do so is the exception by a considerable margin, rather than the rule. Bottom line for me is that this Florida law will likely even the playing field rather than produce OK Corrals. Criminals, almost by definition, are better trained when it comes to use of deadly force than most of the citizens they encounter; there's a reason penal institutions are called "gladiator academies." So there's Joe Citizen at home sleeping soundly when something goes bump in the night. He gets up, grabs a firearm, and confronts an intruder. There are a lot of folks out there like Mas Ayoob charging serious money to train people in how to react next. Is the intruder attacking, retreating, or can't you tell? Armed, and if so with what; unarmed, and if so what could be concealed? Are others in the house threatened? Is there more than one intruder? What are the intruder's intentions? Sort all that out while the adrenaline is dumping and you're trying to shake the sleep out of your eyes and then, in that endless split second, figure out if the local DA is going force you into bankruptcy paying legal bills and then ship you off to jail for making a wrong choice in an endless instant. From my perspective the Florida law would simplify the citizen's split second calculus, while giving intruders reason to reexamine the benefit/cost ratio associated with breaking into potentially occupied dwellings. Dimes to dollars crime rates will fall after this law is enacted, while worst case cowboy scenarios will be zero to few and far between. These sorts of conclusions shouldn't be much of a stretch for martial artists. We've all seen numerous folks start down the martial path, few make it more than part way up the mountain, and of those fewer still effectively and/or regularly actually apply their skills in life or death confrontations. Rudimentary acquaintance with firearms doesn't create pistol vigilantes any more that rudimentary acquaintance with martial arts creates effective street brawler; we've all heard tales of dojo ballerinas getting stomped by a street fighter (and if you haven't sit still for a bit and Uncle Animal will doubtless tell you one). Action doesn't flow from the means, if flow from the will, and the Florida law doesn't impact the means at hand, but rather tells citizens with the requisite will that their government won't second guess them if they make one of the most profound decisions a human can make while the clock is ticking. I've a hard time finding anything scary in that, but then again I'm not involved in any of the criminal activity that would make this law truly frightening. Regards, Buz Grover --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:19:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] The Mild West Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Clint finishes a post about the citizen use of force law now making its > way through the Florida legislature with: > > "Scary, scary law..." > > Count me among those who aren't all that concerned. Though the usual > suspect are making the predictable "Wild West" noise--... Add to that the fact that the Wild West was never really all that wild. All those folks carrying around guns most of the time, things were fairly civil and polite. Makes sense... The Wild West was mostly a creation of Ned Buntline (born Edward Zane Carroll Judson) in his ~400 dime novels. Hollywood then carried on the tradition with wild west movies and later TV shows. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Kickboxing tilt slated Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Kickboxing tilt slated Sun Star, Bacolod Friday, April 29, 2005 The Martial Arts Festival will be held by the All-Philippine Sipa-Sumbag Martial Arts Federation (Apsma) in cooperation with Sports Philippines International Foundation, Incorporated (SPI) on May 15 at the Bacolod Arts and Youth Center, San Juan Street, Bacolod City. The newly founded Apsma is headed by president Eddie Gonzales of Philippine American Martial Arts Federation (Pamaf), a pioneer of sipa-sumbag in the province and well respected in several forms of martial arts. SPI, accredited organization by the Games and Amusement Board (Gab), is headed by president Eddie Deocades. At least three Gab commissioners are set to grace the event, among them Alex Paglomutan. In a meeting held last April 24 at the Roli's Restaurant, Bacolod City, the tentative line up for 11 bouts was established. There will be four bouts in the lightweight division where Zanelle Mosquera of Jungle Fighters Martial Arts Club will be pitted against Christian Gonzalez of Pamaf; Noe Buenaventura will play against Irwin Ibon of Pamaf; Milcu Clamor of Pamaf will compete against Randy de Asis of Brotherhood Martial Arts Federation; and Johnmar Palabrica of Jufimac will try his skills against Elgin Solon of Fight Club Combat and Street fighting Center. In the featherweight division: Jolito Garcia of Bmaf will gird muscles with Andres Villarmia of Black Falcon Martial Arts Association-Main, and Jury Oro of Filipinas Kickboxing will play against Justin de la Cruz of BFMAA-Main. In the bantamweight division: Ohory Calumbres (Bmaf) will play against Manuel Fama (BFMAA-Main); Erwin Valencia (Bmaf) competes with Joemarie Clarito (FCCSC); and Nilkrax de Cafe (Bmaf) vs Benny Trayco (BFMAA-Main). In the pinweight division: Richard Claveras (BMAF) will play against Jeffrey Candueta (Filipinas Kickboxing). In the girls' division: Sheina Bacornay (Bmaf) tries her skills against Maika Giduriagao (BFMAA-Main). Tentative line up for exhibitions include Conceptual Martial Arts Society, Negros Kali International Association, Incorporated, Oido de Caburata Arnis Group, and Philippine Integrated Martial Arts Academy-Filipino Tang Soo Do Association. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Leo Daher" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] The Mild West Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:34:30 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Here's a good article on the new Florida law (which anyone who truly believes in the individual right to self-protection should support): THAT NEW FLORIDA SELF DEFENSE LAW Neal Boortz Florida Governor Jeb Bush has now signed the bill .. and the left is mightily upset. The bill? You know, that bill that actually recognizes the basic human right of self defense. Simply put, the new Florida law says that if find yourself under attack in a public place you don't have to look for a way to run away before you respond with deadly force. Here's your actual wording: In Florida a person now has "the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so, to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another." What, pray tell, is the problem with that? You're attacked. You have a reasonable belief that you are in danger of great harm or death, or someone else is in danger, and you get to protect yourself with deadly force. Imagine that! A basic human right is the right of self defense. The very first governments formed by humankind were governments formed for one purpose ... to act to defend the people. But what about the opponents? Well, it's the same old cast of characters. The mainstream media and liberals ... Democratic leftists. Democrats have a long history of opposing virtually any law that would allow a person to exercise their right to self defense. Most of you don't remember this, but about 30 years ago Ted "The Slug" Kennedy came up with a law introducing a new Federal Criminal Code. His idea was to compel the 50 states to adopt the federal code as their own. In that bill there was a retreat requirement. If you woke up in the middle of the night and heard someone rummaging around your home, you would be required to leave your home to the intruder if there was any way you could escape. You were simply not allowed to protect your home and its contents if you had the option to turn tail and run. Thankfully, Kennedy's bill failed. But why is it that Democrats always seem to oppose measures like this? Because it's all part of the standard Democratic/leftist mindset. It's part of the war against individualism. It's part of building reliance and dependence on government. A law like Florida's actually reinforces the concept of individualism. It recognizes the individual's right to self defense; the individual's right to dominion over their own body, their own personal safety and their own future. Don't we realize that we're supposed to depend on government to protect us? How dare we take that responsibility on ourselves? To the liberal, it is the government that gives us, if it chooses to do so, the right to defend ourselves; and since our right to self-defense comes from the government, then it is the government's right and responsibility to tell us just what we can and can't do to defend our lives and our property. Recognizing one's right to self defense only serves to reinforce our sense of individuality. Remember, Democrats have flatly stated that our nation is at war against individuality. Attacking the individual right of self defense is part and parcel of that war. Oh .. and as for those hysterical leftists who will scream about the "Wild Wild West?" You need to know that there was less crime in the so-called Wild Wild West, where everyone carried a gun, then there is in almost any major urban area in America today. "Praise be that which toughens" - Nietzsche --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest