Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 03:03:50 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 12 #161 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2200 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: what is it? (Beungood8@aol.com) 2. Re: San Miguel Eskrima Workshop in San Diego, CA (Bart Hubbard) 3. Cinco de Mayo in Ohio (Ray) 4. RE: Kempo (Andrew Evans) 5. Making good manners good policy (Marc Denny) 6. RE: Making good manners good policy (Leo Daher) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Beungood8@aol.com Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 18:35:09 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: what is it? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 4/29/2005 8:08:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: You see, my first black belt was in Pa Sa Ryu, What is this Art? Where did it come from? How old is it? Jack --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:19:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Bart Hubbard To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: San Miguel Eskrima Workshop in San Diego, CA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey Folks, Sorry for the late notice. If you happen to be in the San Diego area this Saturday my teacher, Ramon Rubia of San Miguel Eskrima, will be teaching a workshop. DATE: APRIL 30th 2005 TIME: 1:30 pm to 5:30 pm (1:15 pm check-in time) PLACE: CANYONSIDE RECREATION CENTER 12350 BLACK MOUNTAIN RD. SAN DIEGO, CA 92129 PRICE: $45 For more information go to: http://www.sanmigueleskrima.com/news.htm ===== Be Cool. Bart Hubbard Capital Doce Pares www.capitaldocepares.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Cinco de Mayo in Ohio Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net FWIW, I will be starting a new job this Monday so I won't be able to get away to attend the 2nd(?) Annual Cinco de Mayo in Ohio (or Kentucky or West Virginia) Gathering next weekend. In the past a great time was had by all in the full-contact stick fights that we held. No cameras, no attitudes, no waivers, no complaints... else you get shot... as we have many LEOs present and participating. But I'm sure the Sudlud-ites will get along fine with out me this year. Just contact Bill Evans (sgt_evans00@hotmail.com) or Jim Bruce (deputyddawg@yahoo.com) if you want to show up and enjoy the "fun". Hopefully next year guys... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Kempo From: "Andrew Evans" Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 20:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Jeff, The only person I heard of in Des Moines that teaches Chinese Kempo is Professor Angelito "Bobby" Barongan. I'm wondering if that's the person. He's a well-known figure in Midwest Kempo circles. I heard that his Kempo is excellent but have not heard much about his sticks. I believe he is also Filipino. Just curious... As for the BS factor, I would not hold it against many Kempo instructors who claim proficiency with sticks. It's not that they are trying to BS you with the little bit of stick work that they were exposed to. When a Kempo blackbelt excels with a weapon in comparision to his fellow Kempo blackbelts, he naturally thinks that he is very good. I was one of them- no intentional misleading on my part, just ignorance. Like I said on another thread, it took GM Remy Presas to open my eyes. After a few years of regular training beyond my Chinese Kempo, I was able to confidently teach Modern Arnis. (Of course, I still have lots of room to grow.) BTW, I occasionally get Kempo/Kenpo students from other styles coming to study Modern Arnis from me. The advantage I have is that I can teach it from their perspective. Respectfully, Andrew Evans Hokkien Martial Arts www.TopekaKarate.com Subject: [Eskrima] Kempo
Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net

George,
I used to train in Des Moines with a guy (I won't mention his name) who was
Pilipino. I came to his school in 1992 after having trained in Pekti Tersia
(because my teacher Vic Harris had moved away) and Inosanto Kali (I had
transferred from another collage in a different city). I was looking for
someone to continue training with in Kali or Arnis (which was sparse in Des
Moines) when I heard about some Kempo guy doing sticks. Vic Harris had 30+
years and was high-ranking black black belt in Kempo before discovering Pekti
Tersia, and had exposed me to a lot of Kempo. I figured that at least I could
train in Kempo if nothing else.
When I checked him out his Kempo was fantastic and but his stick stuff was
something else (not so good). He told me he was exposed to some stuff growing
up and that he took some seminars with Leo Gaje and Dan Inosanto.
His stick work was very robotic (almost on purpose to make it seem Japanese
like) and he claimed it was Kempo, which used to annoy me after he had just
told about taking seminars with Gaje and Dan. He practiced sword stuff, which
he claimed was also Kempo and was purely BS because Chinese Kempo doesn't use
samurai swords nor does any legitimate Karate/Kempo art).
I was a Japanese major in college and studied Kashima Shin Ryu from William
Bodiford, which is a legitimate Kenjitsu art. (A well know practitioner of
Kashima Shin Ryu is Toshirô Mifune, a good stylized example is the Sword of
Doom duel scene.) Many Karate teachers like to pick up a sword and try to
teach it as a traditional weapon but if you know anything about history you
know why that is BS.
Anyway, I trained with this guy for a short time because his Kempo was really
good and just tried to ignore other part. He finally suggested that if I
really wanted to wanted to keep training in Kali he would introduce me to
Randy Fi (used to be on this list and is a black belt under Remy in Modern
Arnis). He also introduced me to Jim Perkins (Black belt under Professor Chow
in Hawaii. His classes were brutal and the real deal) whom I studied Hawaiian
Kempo from until I moved to California.
While I don't mind people cross training in other arts it does piss me off a
bit when they try to claim it was always a part of there art. The guy was
really good at Kempo, but I think it turned me off to learning anything from
him due to the BS factor.

Jeff _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 18:01:34 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Making good manners good policy Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: A ways back FL passed its concealed carry law to a similar chorus of yowling and yapping from usual suspects. Net result: Decrease in crime. I apologize for not being able to site specific studies, but I saw a number of studies that seemed to me to be quite sound. The only drawback was in increase in attacks against out of state tourists (identified by accents, rental cars, out of state license plates etc) The criminal element reasoned (correctly) that they were less likely to be carrying. Crafty --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Leo Daher" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Making good manners good policy Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 21:16:35 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Not only that, but crimes commited by concealed carry permit holders are next to non-existent. Of course, just like now, leftist politicians and their allies in the news media predicted a blood bath in the streets with the passing of the new law. The enemies of individualism will never let the facts get in the way of their prejudices. "Praise be that which toughens" - Nietzsche ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Marc Denny" Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net To: Subject: [Eskrima] Making good manners good policy Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 18:01:34 -0700 Woof All: A ways back FL passed its concealed carry law to a similar chorus of yowling and yapping from usual suspects. Net result: Decrease in crime. I apologize for not being able to site specific studies, but I saw a number of studies that seemed to me to be quite sound. The only drawback was in increase in attacks against out of state tourists (identified by accents, rental cars, out of state license plates etc) The criminal element reasoned (correctly) that they were less likely to be carrying. Crafty _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2200 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest